madras

Or that in a season where Derby got 11 points they picked up 4 from you? (Although BS Allardyce can only be partially accountable for 3 of them) He was still manager when they drew at SJP. drew at SJP and should have won.

very neatly sums up where we are and why.

Religion and science aren't arguing anymore. Religion's mam came out and told them to pack it in, Science's mam heard her, came out and said Religion was a stuck up little git and had been picking on Science for ages now, Religion's mam called Science's mam a trollop and they are now having a screaming match on the front green. Meanwhile Religion and Science are away for a kickabout and leaving them to it. aye but it's scientology they are kicking about,weird little fucker that he is.

barton will probably start so we should have cutting edge aswell and also a blunt instrument.

would you support the appointment of Allardyce again then, to run the club on a smaller budget, like you did the last time ? Or do you think he should be looking for someone who has won the title 4 times with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? Serious question, because we still really don't know what your criteria is for appointing managers ? that decision wasn't mandiarses, just like you say kinnear wasn't your decision (in an attempt to deflect from the "managers are just a lottery" thing) as you know there are no set criteria beyond getting what you think is the best available,same goes for players. my question is what is his criteria for appointing managers, other than using hindsight - especially when he has agreed with and backed at least 3 of the 6 to succeed, after Keegan, (ie Allardyce, Robson and Souness) on this very message board. Basic stuff this. out of curiosity what is your criteria for appointing managers ?.....would souness and roeder have past that criteria ? my criteria ? Well, if I agree and back an appointment, I don't criticise it later. Thats what mandiarse does. I would have backed, at the time, Dalglish, Robson and Allardyce myself, and saw merit in Gullit and Roeder, for different reasons. That means I can't criticise the board for appointing these managers when I saw some reasoning and merit in them. Hindsight is where you criticise the board for only "getting 1 right" when you backed at least 3 of them at the time, and thats before he finds the balls to admit he backed a manager who had won 4 titles with 2 different clubs, a couple of FA Cups, and 3 manager of the year awards. See one of the quotes in my sig for his remarkable foresight, no wonder he applies hindsight instead. This isn't rocket science. sure you can criticise the board if you admit you were wrong aswell. the difference is,as you have pointed out, you didn't make those decisions. thats what it all comes down to,admitting mistakes. if i'd been manager of nufc i'd have been sacked years ago, does it mean i can't put in my two'penneth ? or i shouldn't say "they got it wrong" just because it means i got it wrong also ? just admit it, fred was getting an awful lot wrong,regardless of who agreed with him and who didn't,from managers to finances. edit......the other difference is that fred paid himself a salary of best part of half a mill a year so there ought to more reason to say he got it wrong as opposed to a fan who opinion counts for sod all realistically.

I knew that was coming. You're just being contrary again. So did Gullit need to strip Lee of his squad number and make him play with the bairns? Did he f***. I knew that was coming. You're just being contrary again. So did Gullit need to strip Lee of his squad number and make him play with the bairns? Did he f***. that has nowt to do with wether he should have been in the starting 11 though.

silly comment Pilko. I saw the club nearly go bust in 1991, until the Halls and Shepherd saved it as well as heading for the 3rd division. My 100 quid towards buying shares to try and save it was returned because the flotation couldn't even raise 1.25m for the club. Slightly ironic isn't it that as soon as the Halls and Shepherd are out of the door, we are heading back there again. Oh come on NE5, we were heading down there before Hall and Shepherd sold up. Come on, take the blinkers off. no we weren't. It's a silly comment by Pilko though isn't it, saying I would prefer the club to go bust. Did you see that, or is it just that you like disagreeing with me You are joking though aren't you? The appointment of Roeder was the real start of us heading down again. And I don't think you would want the club to go bust tbh. we finished 7th under Roeder. This season, under Ashley, we would all settle for 17th. But we made profit on transfers, so thats alright then. And Roeder's second season? higher than this. Selective memory to be honest NE5. We struggled that season too and relegation was mooted then too. Then in comes Allardyce just before Ashley took over and we could have easily gone down had a change not been made. We were away wins at Sheff Utd & West Ham away from relegation that season. Not too sure what Shepherd had shown in his last 3 years to suggest that we'd be in a better position now with him rather than Ashley. we've been in free fall since robson left (and theres a case to be made it started in his last full season). on and off the pitch has been a shambles. fred started it and ashley has done little to stop it.

would you support the appointment of Allardyce again then, to run the club on a smaller budget, like you did the last time ? Or do you think he should be looking for someone who has won the title 4 times with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards ? Serious question, because we still really don't know what your criteria is for appointing managers ? that decision wasn't mandiarses, just like you say kinnear wasn't your decision (in an attempt to deflect from the "managers are just a lottery" thing) as you know there are no set criteria beyond getting what you think is the best available,same goes for players. my question is what is his criteria for appointing managers, other than using hindsight - especially when he has agreed with and backed at least 3 of the 6 to succeed, after Keegan, (ie Allardyce, Robson and Souness) on this very message board. Basic stuff this. out of curiosity what is your criteria for appointing managers ?.....would souness and roeder have past that criteria ?

the 2nd division looms Still. Our finances will be in good shape, and we won't be buying any trophy players and selling one of our best players to Wigan and getting a Wigan utility player in return. Well done MIke lad, you've got the supporters truly on your side for doing such a good job. I was taking the piss out of you mate. Ashleyy's been a disaster, don't see how anyone can possibly argue otherwise at this point. unfortunately there are still people around who don't appreciate the Halls and Shepherd. I wonder how many more s**** owners we will have before they do. name names. put up or shut up. you. For one. Now shut up, and start agreeing with me, because you know that I am right. please point me in the direction (link me big boy) where i don't appreciate the good things they did. i've sid it often enough but as usual you try to make out that i think something i don't. what are you right about ? ashley's made a hash of things ? i doubt anyone will argue with that. how about the state the club was in when he took over ? a shambles on and off the pitch. an unsustainable financial position that even you seem to agree with (allardyce brought in to run the club on the cheap),though now freds gone we should just borrow,and if it fails borrow more (repeat ad infinitum) more euro qualifications than blaf blah....only half the truth though isn't it,many would look at freds last decade giving 6 below half way finishes. in short... no one denies fred done well for a while. he left us in the clarts we've been going backwards (including roeders 7th) since robson left. oh dear. You losing your rag then ? You don't appreciate them, because you wanted them gone, and they have gone, but you failed to understand that nobody makes good decisions all the time so failed to comprehend they remained good directors and better directors than all the possible replacement. Like I've said before, does Shearer missing a couple of penalties make Ameobi a better replacement ? wow the selectivity and twisting of your 'arguments' are amazing. harry frankfurt probably had you in mind. i appreciated the good stuff and condemn them for the bad stuff.' nobody makes good decisions all the time'. wow, amazing insight,how do you do it ? maybe thats why i said i could get over souness if they hadn't compounded that mistake with roeder. like i've said previously with your,frankly poor, shearer analogy, fred didn't miss a couple of penalties ,he played poorly for a couple of seasons and as such you have to look for a replacement. once again "You don't appreciate them, because you wanted them gone".............laughable and probably one of your worst attempts yet.

the 2nd division looms Still. Our finances will be in good shape, and we won't be buying any trophy players and selling one of our best players to Wigan and getting a Wigan utility player in return. Well done MIke lad, you've got the supporters truly on your side for doing such a good job. I was taking the piss out of you mate. Ashleyy's been a disaster, don't see how anyone can possibly argue otherwise at this point. unfortunately there are still people around who don't appreciate the Halls and Shepherd. I wonder how many more s**** owners we will have before they do. name names. put up or shut up. you. For one. Now shut up, and start agreeing with me, because you know that I am right. please point me in the direction (link me big boy) where i don't appreciate the good things they did. i've sid it often enough but as usual you try to make out that i think something i don't. what are you right about ? ashley's made a hash of things ? i doubt anyone will argue with that. how about the state the club was in when he took over ? a shambles on and off the pitch. an unsustainable financial position that even you seem to agree with (allardyce brought in to run the club on the cheap),though now freds gone we should just borrow,and if it fails borrow more (repeat ad infinitum) more euro qualifications than blaf blah....only half the truth though isn't it,many would look at freds last decade giving 6 below half way finishes. in short... no one denies fred done well for a while. he left us in the clarts we've been going backwards (including roeders 7th) since robson left.

i think they played in 3rd division, after winning the European cup? don't think so, but they did in the early 70's.

the 2nd division looms Still. Our finances will be in good shape, and we won't be buying any trophy players and selling one of our best players to Wigan and getting a Wigan utility player in return. Well done MIke lad, you've got the supporters truly on your side for doing such a good job. I was taking the piss out of you mate. Ashleyy's been a disaster, don't see how anyone can possibly argue otherwise at this point. unfortunately there are still people around who don't appreciate the Halls and Shepherd. I wonder how many more s**** owners we will have before they do. name names. put up or shut up.

eh ? whats that about ? Was forced to watch freeview thanks to the tyne tunnel workers killing virgin media. There was about 6 'newcastle fans' reading from scripts saying Newcastle will stay up because........ Reasons included 'we have Shearer' 'the messiah is back' 'We have the most potent strikeforce in the bottom half' etc I heard that. My toes and milk curled. Oh for f***s sake. Where do they find them? blyth probably

what variables did you use to consider though ? surely if you didn't think you'd enjoy the occasion,next up should be, sellstoryability ?

eh ? whats that about ?

very succinctly and well put. (i especially like the madrasisms in the last sentence)

Seems you’re looking for a scapegoat there tbh ; firstly the whole thing about people latching on circa ’92, yeah there were a fair few at the time but the majority of them have more than likely jumped off that bandwagon several years ago to ‘support’ one of the ‘big 4’. Genuine Man U fans can quite rightly be somewhat annoyed at gloryhunters with no connection to Manchester latching on to them as there’s literally millions of them but I think its slightly overegged in our case. Secondly you assume that the muppets / rent-a-mob that the media trip over themselves to film outside SJP are the very same people that have supposedly latched on, where’s your evidence for that, anyone without a geordie accent? The spurious notion that gloryhunters from outside the area are at the heart of the clubs woes and somehow responsible for them, needs consigning to the narrow minds that keep bringing it up. Moving on, I agree that its more schadenfraude than genuine hatred although I think one of the main reasons for the recent ratcheting up of anti-Newcastle chatter on other forums and in general is the appointment of Shearer. Speak to any other fans and invariably they trot out the same lazy tedious clichés about him being a dirty player who got away with loads, only got so many goals cos of the number of pens he won by cheating, of him turning his back on England etc etc. Sadly there’s a massive anti-Shearer bandwagon out there ; the ‘cheer up Alan Shearer’ song is ringing out in stadia where we’re not even playing ffs. ‘The bigger they are the harder they fall’ and most people want to see the ship go down with big Al at the helm, Sky cameras panning round Villa Park for blokes in tears and the commentators milking the predictable clichés of loyal fans, fallen giants etc. Gotta face facts, the revolution or rather dissolution will be televised and relished by many ! i even find that unlikely. my experience is that most were NUFC fans all along but couldn't be arsed to go and watch crap and plenty have gone back to that since robson left, they are still NUFC fans, albeit halfheartedly. agree with most of the rest,including,what came as a surprise to me, that anti-shearer stuff.

As I said, you may as well believe in fairies. It isn't going to happen. The only way its done is through big spending, including on these trophy players. i would suggest a mixture of both would be ideal aha, I see. You mean like the team assembled which qualified for europe more than everybody but 4 other clubs over a periold of a decade and a half, for which the fat b****** was slated right, left and centre for backing and helping his managers to put together ? I knew somebody would spell it out.........incidentally, I've asked this question before of people, and - probably because Dave hasn't insisted they reply like he does to me - can you tell me exactly who these supposed "trophy signings" have been ? You do realise that selective use of statistics isn't really regarded as wisdom any more? selective use of statistics in the form of league positions ? What do you go by then ? non-selective use perhaps ?

however if they kick off we'll be chasing the game anyway.

i reckon we could tunnel our way out.

fyp

We are Newcastle and we don't care about a few millions more or less. You are Bolton and counting every penny. Newcastle fan in assuming new midfielder will be better than Nicky Butt shocker. Turns out the Bolton fan was spot on, good for him. I hate to say it but as Blefuscu implies, you seem to base your opinion of your fellow fans on the bilge Sky Sports News and the Sun produce. No, see that's quite arrogant to even suggest that. I read the forum, just gave you guys quotes from 2 threads that personally read through at the time. Now its all from Sky Sports news. Greeeat. were those quotes the majority view. look through any clubs forums and you'll see similar. We are Newcastle and we don't care about a few millions more or less. You are Bolton and counting every penny. Newcastle fan in assuming new midfielder will be better than Nicky Butt shocker. Turns out the Bolton fan was spot on, good for him. I hate to say it but as Blefuscu implies, you seem to base your opinion of your fellow fans on the bilge Sky Sports News and the Sun produce. No, see that's quite arrogant to even suggest that. I read the forum, just gave you guys quotes from 2 threads that personally read through at the time. Now its all from Sky Sports news. Greeeat. were those quotes the majority view. look through any clubs forums and you'll see similar. I wouldn't know about that, i am just offering an opinion as to why all of England think we are delusional. The exact same way that we would call Spurs,Man City and the mackem lot it follows then that every clubs fans are delusional. What, you took 3 examples i have gave you and have managed to say all the majority of football supporters from each individual club are delusional. I guess Southampton fans would say so. no but you are saying the majority of newcastle fans are delusional. what i'll say is that a lot of fans from every club will twist anything into a positive for their club and most are very defensive and protective against anyone having a go and being critical. i don't personally think newcastle fans are any better or worse than any other clubs.

We are Newcastle and we don't care about a few millions more or less. You are Bolton and counting every penny. Newcastle fan in assuming new midfielder will be better than Nicky Butt shocker. Turns out the Bolton fan was spot on, good for him. I hate to say it but as Blefuscu implies, you seem to base your opinion of your fellow fans on the bilge Sky Sports News and the Sun produce. No, see that's quite arrogant to even suggest that. I read the forum, just gave you guys quotes from 2 threads that personally read through at the time. Now its all from Sky Sports news. Greeeat. were those quotes the majority view. look through any clubs forums and you'll see similar. We are Newcastle and we don't care about a few millions more or less. You are Bolton and counting every penny. Newcastle fan in assuming new midfielder will be better than Nicky Butt shocker. Turns out the Bolton fan was spot on, good for him. I hate to say it but as Blefuscu implies, you seem to base your opinion of your fellow fans on the bilge Sky Sports News and the Sun produce. No, see that's quite arrogant to even suggest that. I read the forum, just gave you guys quotes from 2 threads that personally read through at the time. Now its all from Sky Sports news. Greeeat. were those quotes the majority view. look through any clubs forums and you'll see similar. I wouldn't know about that, i am just offering an opinion as to why all of England think we are delusional. The exact same way that we would call Spurs,Man City and the mackem lot it follows then that every clubs fans are delusional.

na it's true. you can't re-produce fixture lists without license.

ever ran into him when he's not on view of the media etc. i've bumped into him a few times in the diamond (ponteland) and he's a different bloke to that that appears in the media. very similar to dalglish in his media persona.