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It wouldn't be quite so bad if there was anything in the world to suggest Wise was appropriate for the job. Ultimately, he's just a lower division manager with some friends in the game. Might as well have gone for Tony Adams. it's a lottery don't you know, when you make appointments so it's a bit pointless taking someones ability into account. Well, lets put it another way. Appointing a manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards, is quite worthy of having a good chance, as is an up and coming manager who won the FA Cup and left his team in the top 3 of the league and 2nd phase of the Champions League. As is appointing a World Cup winner. What is your thoughts on Scolari being sacked or are you sticking to your previous criteria and claim Abramovic should step down for taking the club backwards ? BEWARE...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT. i thought scolari was an ok appointment but his lack of league experience anywhere was going to be a risk.......can you find many who thought souness or roeder were decent appointments ? if chelsea were a business and they made huge losses and that weren't affordable and appointed souness i think that yes, i'd be looking for someone to take over from whoever was running the club.......straight enough of an answer for you ? give it a go you may feel cleansed. oh remember i backed the dalglish appointment and thought they got rid of him too early (don't want you confusing me with someone else) There was a lot of people on here who defended and supported everything Souness did, and you know it. how many supported his original appointment. ever heard of the maxim...he might be shit but he's our shit ?

nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp. were you happy with the kinnear appointment ? hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ? (conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works) i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ? often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in. silly. Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back. Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved. Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ? BORING ! we've covered the euro qualifications to death as that has little to do with the position we were in spring 2007. defending ashley to the bitter end......like you defending fred ? i never mentioned being embarassed by fred's utterences. nice to see you keep your head in the sand re our position when fred left. you mentioned Shepherd, not me, with a silly childish comment. Yep, I will "defend" anybody who gave me the only 15 years out of 45 that tried to compete at the levels this club should always compete at, and thus gave me the best most consistent and highest league positions as a result. As I've said before. the problem being you will defend them against everything including the position we were i when fred left.

It wouldn't be quite so bad if there was anything in the world to suggest Wise was appropriate for the job. Ultimately, he's just a lower division manager with some friends in the game. Might as well have gone for Tony Adams. it's a lottery don't you know, when you make appointments so it's a bit pointless taking someones ability into account. Well, lets put it another way. Appointing a manager who has won 4 titles with 2 different clubs and 3 manager of the year awards, is quite worthy of having a good chance, as is an up and coming manager who won the FA Cup and left his team in the top 3 of the league and 2nd phase of the Champions League. As is appointing a World Cup winner. What is your thoughts on Scolari being sacked or are you sticking to your previous criteria and claim Abramovic should step down for taking the club backwards ? BEWARE...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT...STRAIGHT ANSWER ALERT. i thought scolari was an ok appointment but his lack of league experience anywhere was going to be a risk.......can you find many who thought souness or roeder were decent appointments ? if chelsea were a business and they made huge losses and that weren't affordable and appointed souness i think that yes, i'd be looking for someone to take over from whoever was running the club.......straight enough of an answer for you ? give it a go you may feel cleansed. oh remember i backed the dalglish appointment and thought they got rid of him too early (don't want you confusing me with someone else)

nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp. were you happy with the kinnear appointment ? hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ? (conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works) i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ? often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in. silly. Especially when there are still people hell bent on defending Ashley to the bitter end, and I mean bitter end = relegation and with little chance of coming back. Pleased for you that you still appear to write off all those european qualifications and champions league appearances and the manner in which they were achieved. Still, nobody is "embarrassing us" any more, right ? BORING ! we've covered the euro qualifications to death as that has little to do with the position we were in spring 2007. defending ashley to the bitter end......like you defending fred ? i never mentioned being embarassed by fred's utterences. nice to see you keep your head in the sand re our position when fred left.

It wouldn't be quite so bad if there was anything in the world to suggest Wise was appropriate for the job. Ultimately, he's just a lower division manager with some friends in the game. Might as well have gone for Tony Adams. it's a lottery don't you know, when you make appointments so it's a bit pointless taking someones ability into account.

agreed Brummie, but unfortunately they’re so stupid they can’t see this and the comparison too Villa is hilarious on so many levels. But unlike Lerner, Ashley was stupid enough to buy a football club without realising there was £100m+ additional debt and without any idea of how to run a football club would employ a bunch of inexperienced ‘mates’ – ooooops! i think they mean in the way they buy younger players and look for long term value with their purchases rather than the set up of the staff.

Why do you keep saying this despite people telling you that we were "told" no such thing? http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/mike-ashley-statement "I was always prepared to bankroll Newcastle up to the tune of £20m per year." OK it's not on the first team. But does this not contradict Lambarse's stated intention of having the club run at an overall loss of just £7M in 2 years? Has Ashley channged his mind on what he's willing to spend since taking us off the market and wanting to make a go of it? Currently: Loss of £20m = Ashley puts in £20m to cover 2 Years Time: Loss of £7m = Ashley puts in £7m to cover and £13m for squad building I see. So where's this £8M for summer spending come from? Considering the loss last year was supposed to be £36M. Is he pumping £44M in? Why double the investment in the summer if you want to decrease losses and tighten your belt? Nothing they say adds up. Might god your complaining because he's spent MORE money !! He said he would cover at least £20m a season. During his interview when he said he would sell he said he would still cover this but nothing else. Yet he is paying out more money and your complaining. Do you even know what your complaint is ? He never said "at least". He said "up to". See the link above. I'm complaining that they're liars. They lied by spending more though have I got that bit right ? What has Ashley spent? £100 million as a loan, £70 million of that was used to clear the old debt £30 million has been put in to keep the club going. Since the 30th June he has put in a further £10 million of cash as working capital. £138 million to buy the club total investment is £248 million so far. Who knows if they will spend more, but the accounts we've seen only mention an ongoing investment of £10m, so it's half the maximum amount he harked on about in the first place. It's yet to be seen if he coughs up the money needed to buy in the Summer and keep our losses down to £20M. Again, I'll not hold my breath. So in 6 months he has paid £10m for ongoing investment. In the 12 months to June 08 he paid £30m for ongoing costs. So even if he doesn't put another penny in he has put in £20m a year on average. Of course that is assuming that the club has no more bills to pay between now and June and therefore would not require any further cash injection £100M to clear debt according to Mort. Then Mike Ashley says "I paid £134 million out of my own pocket for the club. I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees.... Before I had spent a penny on wages or buying players Newcastle United had cost me more than a quarter of a billion pounds." But the accounts show it's just £70M of debt and £30M of ongoing costs. If he wants to claim he's spent £20M a year keeping us afloat that's fine, but he can't double count it and claim he's spent a quarter of a billion BEFORE that further investment. are those accounts covering just 1 year ? Aye. Summer 2007 to June 2008. Since the 30th June he has put in a further £10 million of cash as working capital. As well as earning about £9M on transfers what about before 30th june 2007 ?

nowt to say then ? Just joking man, I'm pretty bored, we all know spending money improves your chances of doing well, but it's not a given, you need the right manager, the right scouts and the right amount of money but you can do well without spending massive amount if you have the right manager e.g. Moyes and Everton. on the other hand, if you are lucky enough to get a decent manager, and it IS a lottery, and don't back him, he'll be off. Like Moyes, unless Everton are taken over or it all suddenly goes tits up for him. When you say "do well", how well do YOU want to do ? It's a lottery getting a good manager? No it's a skill, not an easy one but it is definately a skill. is it now ? We'll see how easily Arsenal replace Wenger and ManU replace Ferguson. Or Everton replace Moyes .......... Even a "good manager" isn't necessarily the "right manager", which I suppose adds credence to NE5's "lottery" theory. Bit simplistic on the whole though, as usual. you mean "realistic", as usual. Which also, as usual, too many people fail to grasp. were you happy with the kinnear appointment ? hey getting a good manager is a lottery right,surely theres as much chance getting a s*** one to turn out good results as there is a good one turning out bad to your thinking or maybe you are piffling again in anattempt to detect any criticism from the your beloved fred ? (conversly it must work with players aswell...shevchenko,veron,woodgate at real,keane at liverpool......good players who didn't do it so surely it means it's pointless spending big as these players prove it works) i'll stop you in your tracks........."back your manager"............what with ? where was the money going to come from......at this point you mention the debt of others and as always i mention the debt of the top 4 is different to ours as they are making money aside from those with sugar daddies where as we have consistently made losses (not a good scenario when begging to the banks with few assets left to hock). look at the other clubs who,like us have lived beyond their means,they are all cutting right back and ask yourself what liverpools or arsenals spending would be like if they missed out on the champs league for 3 or 4 years ? often on here you have alluded to others having thir heads in the sand but it is clear the one one doing an ostrich is yourself in relation to the position fred left us in.

Why do you keep saying this despite people telling you that we were "told" no such thing? http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/index.php/mike-ashley-statement "I was always prepared to bankroll Newcastle up to the tune of £20m per year." OK it's not on the first team. But does this not contradict Lambarse's stated intention of having the club run at an overall loss of just £7M in 2 years? Has Ashley channged his mind on what he's willing to spend since taking us off the market and wanting to make a go of it? Currently: Loss of £20m = Ashley puts in £20m to cover 2 Years Time: Loss of £7m = Ashley puts in £7m to cover and £13m for squad building I see. So where's this £8M for summer spending come from? Considering the loss last year was supposed to be £36M. Is he pumping £44M in? Why double the investment in the summer if you want to decrease losses and tighten your belt? Nothing they say adds up. Might god your complaining because he's spent MORE money !! He said he would cover at least £20m a season. During his interview when he said he would sell he said he would still cover this but nothing else. Yet he is paying out more money and your complaining. Do you even know what your complaint is ? He never said "at least". He said "up to". See the link above. I'm complaining that they're liars. They lied by spending more though have I got that bit right ? What has Ashley spent? £100 million as a loan, £70 million of that was used to clear the old debt £30 million has been put in to keep the club going. Since the 30th June he has put in a further £10 million of cash as working capital. £138 million to buy the club total investment is £248 million so far. Who knows if they will spend more, but the accounts we've seen only mention an ongoing investment of £10m, so it's half the maximum amount he harked on about in the first place. It's yet to be seen if he coughs up the money needed to buy in the Summer and keep our losses down to £20M. Again, I'll not hold my breath. So in 6 months he has paid £10m for ongoing investment. In the 12 months to June 08 he paid £30m for ongoing costs. So even if he doesn't put another penny in he has put in £20m a year on average. Of course that is assuming that the club has no more bills to pay between now and June and therefore would not require any further cash injection £100M to clear debt according to Mort. Then Mike Ashley says "I paid £134 million out of my own pocket for the club. I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt. Even worse than that, the club still owes millions of pounds in transfer fees.... Before I had spent a penny on wages or buying players Newcastle United had cost me more than a quarter of a billion pounds." But the accounts showit's just £70M of debt and £30M of ongoing costs. If he wants to claim he's spent £20M a year keeping us afloat that's fine, but he can't double count it and claim he's spent a quarter of a billion BEFORE that further investment. are those accounts covering just 1 year ?

what the club made him do that he didn't want to ?..........................hand in an official transfer request.

"all bar kinnear,hughton,ashley and lambias have gone" he said...............................i think.

i'm beginning to agree that his beast position could well be right back with a capability to cover centre half. as much as i like beye ,taylor wa as good as beye has been this season in that position

no mention of the 4 counts of actual bodily harm against jonas ?

porn website i can understand.......porcahse (geordie) website at a push but browsing a portugese website ?

Butt was s**** again, didn't Nolan hit one off the line? Butt was much better than Nolan, and that's coming from someone who thinks Butt is 10 yrs past his sell by date. both were ok. no major balls ups and the most 50-50s i've seen us win in a while. lacking in creativity which i hope nolan will make up for with forward movement when we have forwards. today twice nolan got a head of the ball. how often have our central midfielders done that the last couple of years ? What about the awful back pass that let Chopra in for what could and should have been the winning goal for Sunderland? Butt had one of his better game, but he was still a liability at times. ok then ,1 major balls up bit presumptuous with the could've should've....not like it was the only chance in the game.

i wouldn't...he's not very good. Better than we've got bar Martins, think him not being very good due to where he's at, and the fact his buddies have ran back to their old clubs has turned his head, he's not even their player, don't expect him to stay after the summer do you? all the mackems i know say he's all pace and wild shots. his pace makes him look better than he is. All the mackems i know say the same, however, i think he's their top goalscorer. We desperately need pace, he'd be ideal. What do mackems know anyway? Better than the beloved Jones. we don't need just pace, it's nice but too much is made of it............jones is twice the player cisse is.

Butt was s**** again, didn't Nolan hit one off the line? Butt was much better than Nolan, and that's coming from someone who thinks Butt is 10 yrs past his sell by date. both were ok. no major balls ups and the most 50-50s i've seen us win in a while. lacking in creativity which i hope nolan will make up for with forward movement when we have forwards. today twice nolan got a head of the ball. how often have our central midfielders done that the last couple of years ?

i wouldn't...he's not very good. Better than we've got bar Martins, think him not being very good due to where he's at, and the fact his buddies have ran back to their old clubs has turned his head, he's not even their player, don't expect him to stay after the summer do you? all the mackems i know say he's all pace and wild shots. his pace makes him look better than he is.

i wouldn't...he's not very good.

jonas rubbish? are you sure? Seriously Lovejoy, the kid has zero end product and it was painfully obvious today. you have to remember he was playing on the wrong side though. i think he was on the left to compensate for enriques short comings defensively, which i thought he did very well. i think the left is his better side and enriques looks a much better player with him there

He was, he played 75 minutes longer than I'd have given him. some bottle to take the pen and well taken it was aswell but as one of my mates pointed out "he had the easy bit...we had to watch him take it"

ah divvent go falling for him man. the last thing we need is the wullie falling for frenchmens curse befalling him

If you have a good marriage for 11 years, then you catch her blowing Gordon from down the road, i think you every right to throw abuse at her. She isn't blowing Gordon down the road though, she is getting fingered by the Managing Director she met on an internet forum. Ok he isn't the greatest bloke in the world but his prospects are still better than yours. No, she's getting fingered by Michael Carroll the chav lottery winner, and no doubt his druggaddled loser mates "Spikey" and "Gonzo" will be allowed a ride aswell. Slag. Game, set, match. Well played love this place for exactly that sort of banter

oh... i received a text off a mate in ireland after the game. he'd watched the game with a mix of clubs fans anf they made it the best game they'd seen in a long while.

didn't think it was a pen (the actual one) at first ....now i do ,for the ankle tap not the pulling that i saw originally.