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I think how we played at the arse end of last season is the template.

Hold on, were we outside the top 6 at any stage last season? We had one win in eight after our great start and then the season started to turn when Benny came into the side. Whether you like it or not, the Man U game was a fluke, beating them 3-0 with Raylor, Shola wasn't due to Pardew as he ain't god and they were in bad shape when they played us. We then won couple of games and then went on four games without a win before Benny and Cisse went on a run. Without those two we wouldn't have finished top 6... Seriously? Come on - that's beyond harsh imo. That was one of the most complete performances I can remember since Bobby - pretty much everyone was exceptional and we barely gave them a sniff. It was a fluke man. We giving such a performance was a fluke, we had nowhere near showed that quality during the whole season. We were in a completely different level than we've been before like you said. I don't mean it was a fluke in the way that we won, it was a fluke in the way that we managed to put such a perfomance in. Give your head a shake, man. There's no arguing with loops like you. Calling me a loop man, look at that. Seriously, if you're that miserable that you enjoy the way we play fair enough, but I know me and many others don't enjoy it. Truth is you can't see much football outside of Newcastle because your view on things is embarrassing. We are a bigger club than Stoke and Norwich, yet we play at the same level as them and are below them in the league. It's embarrassing that supporters can actually still think Pardew might be a good manager. He's a likeable guy and I wish him all the best, but he has to go, now or the end of the season. People said we should never had let Nolan go when he left, or Carroll or Barton. Look at what we achieved last season without them. We can achieve the same without Pardew too, trust me. You're saying our 3-0 win against Man United last season is a fluke when he comprehensively outplayed them and Pardew's tactics were central to that (starting Raylor over HBA, for example. Something I criticised him for pre-match). Don't be bloody stupid man. I don't mind criticism of Pardew if it's legitimate but give the man credit where it's due. It's hard to take you seriously when you chalk every single positive result under him down to an inordinate amount of luck.

Honestly, if it is McLeish, I will ejaculate my head clean off my shoulders. Are you calling yourself a dickhead? Either that or he's admitting he blows himself.

Hold on, were we outside the top 6 at any stage last season? We had one win in eight after our great start and then the season started to turn when Benny came into the side. Whether you like it or not, the Man U game was a fluke, beating them 3-0 with Raylor, Shola wasn't due to Pardew as he ain't god and they were in bad shape when they played us. We then won couple of games and then went on four games without a win before Benny and Cisse went on a run. Without those two we wouldn't have finished top 6... Seriously? Come on - that's beyond harsh imo. That was one of the most complete performances I can remember since Bobby - pretty much everyone was exceptional and we barely gave them a sniff. It was a fluke man. We giving such a performance was a fluke, we had nowhere near showed that quality during the whole season. We were in a completely different level than we've been before like you said. I don't mean it was a fluke in the way that we won, it was a fluke in the way that we managed to put such a perfomance in. Give your head a shake, man. There's no arguing with loops like you.

McClaren whilst being a poor international manager, has shown to be a good club manager. Hope it isn't him. Did you miss his stints at Wolfsburg and Forest?

Hold on, were we outside the top 6 at any stage last season?

Knowing our luck they'll appoint him and they'll grind out the most dour 1-0 win ever seen when they come up against us in the derby.

Stan Collymore said Sunderland would appoint someone within the next few days, citing sources close to the club. Someone he knows asked him who it was and he sent back... http://a.yfrog.com/img686/3936/38485225.png Oops...

To be fair Shearer only took the job because his predecessor nearly fucking died.

When you have a midfielder at left back and your third (fourth?) choice right back playing it's not unexpected. Not welcome obviously, but not unexpected. That's been the case for 31 games? Because we're, erm, looking at figures across 31 games. Jesus. I wasn't aware the original post was referring to an earlier one containing stats from this season. Please accept my apologies. And while I am flattered I can categorically state I am not your lord and savior. It's OK, we'll get through this. I'm not sure if I can work you out btw, you seem to be defending/vouching for Pardew, yet some of your posts seem serious and some tongue-in-cheek. What's your view in a nutshell, you'd stick with him next year presumably? Yep. I think all things considered he's a decent manager. He has his faults, and we've found ourselves in pretty unfortunate positions this season which have really emphasised them, but I don't see what we'd achieve by chucking him. Chopping and changing managers has never ever worked out well for us. Taking into consideration what he achieved last season I think he deserves to see this year out and (providing we stay up *touches wood*) deserves to be backed in the transfer market in the summer. In hindsight I think it's apparent he got dealt a very shoddy hand in preseason and we really should've spent after such a remarkable achievement. Thankfully the board seem to recognise this. I know from speaking to one or two of our players they were disappointed we didn't strengthen more in the summer which, coupled with our rather naff preseason, lead to a malaise which has just pervaded the entire 2012/13 season. On top of that we've had loads injuries and really, really badly timed suspensions which have did a number on us. Whatever you think of Pardew that type of stuff is just plain unfortunate and you can't really blame him for that. Now there are some criticisms I do understand. He's a naturally defensive manager and I know people get annoyed about that because they want to see us play more attacking football. They're entitled to do so - I pay my £500 for a season ticket and have some fairly strong views, why shouldn't other people be able to air theirs? I don't mind defensive managers particularly when being so well drilled defensively was what got us into fifth last season. Some may say we lucked into fifth, but I watched every single minute of every single game last season and we deserved to finish there (I'd argue we were unlucky to finish higher and far from individual bits of brilliance it was individual errors that cost us in 11/12 - see Simpson at Arsenal away). The defensive side of the game is an area we've struggled in this season and as a result we've resorted to that awful sort of long ball football you usually associate with Stoke or an Allardyce team. No one wants to see that and I'm sure Pardew doesn't either, particularly when we're not any fucking good at it I think we really need another six to twelve months before judging the man. If we're in the same position this time next season then get rid, but lets give him the chance to construct a team first. He wasn't backed when he should've been last summer so naturally we've regressed. He's made mistakes but he also managed to inspire a side that didn't look anything like a top six team into challengers for a CL place. Anyway, if we did sack him now I just don't see where we could go? We're always going to be looking at the untried or unfancied managers because of the management structure and wages on offer. Really good post, sums up my opinion pretty well. The only time I've ever swayed into the 'sack him' camp was immediately after Reading (h), because it was utterly deplorable - I can't remember a worse result in my time supporting us. However, when we're still in the PL next season - I'll look to that result as the turning point because it galvanised the board into providing the manager with what he should have had a few months prior. I think he's made some absolutely batshit decisions over the course of the season and don't think he has performed well on the whole, but... well - see above. I can't see how sacking him would be anything other than counter-productive. To summarise it in the most primitive manner: his performance at the club has been 50% good, 50% bad imo. Give him funds in the summer to cement exactly what he wants with regards to squad personnel, then judge him by Christmas. If he's going to be sacked before the end of next season; Christmas should be the point of no return. Likewise. I'm sure someone can drudge up my posts on here where I said as much.

I think it speaks volumes that despite our position Pardew hasn't lost the dressing room.

Yeah, but you've got numbers after your name. What do you know?

When you have a midfielder at left back and your third (fourth?) choice right back playing it's not unexpected. Not welcome obviously, but not unexpected. That's been the case for 31 games? Because we're, erm, looking at figures across 31 games. Jesus. I wasn't aware the original post was referring to an earlier one containing stats from this season. Please accept my apologies. And while I am flattered I can categorically state I am not your lord and savior. It's OK, we'll get through this. I'm not sure if I can work you out btw, you seem to be defending/vouching for Pardew, yet some of your posts seem serious and some tongue-in-cheek. What's your view in a nutshell, you'd stick with him next year presumably? Yep. I think all things considered he's a decent manager. He has his faults, and we've found ourselves in pretty unfortunate positions this season which have really emphasised them, but I don't see what we'd achieve by chucking him. Chopping and changing managers has never ever worked out well for us. Taking into consideration what he achieved last season I think he deserves to see this year out and (providing we stay up *touches wood*) deserves to be backed in the transfer market in the summer. In hindsight I think it's apparent he got dealt a very shoddy hand in preseason and we really should've spent after such a remarkable achievement. Thankfully the board seem to recognise this. I know from speaking to one or two of our players they were disappointed we didn't strengthen more in the summer which, coupled with our rather naff preseason, lead to a malaise which has just pervaded the entire 2012/13 season. On top of that we've had loads injuries and really, really badly timed suspensions which have did a number on us. Whatever you think of Pardew that type of stuff is just plain unfortunate and you can't really blame him for that. Now there are some criticisms I do understand. He's a naturally defensive manager and I know people get annoyed about that because they want to see us play more attacking football. They're entitled to do so - I pay my £500 for a season ticket and have some fairly strong views, why shouldn't other people be able to air theirs? I don't mind defensive managers particularly when being so well drilled defensively was what got us into fifth last season. Some may say we lucked into fifth, but I watched every single minute of every single game last season and we deserved to finish there (I'd argue we were unlucky to finish higher and far from individual bits of brilliance it was individual errors that cost us in 11/12 - see Simpson at Arsenal away). The defensive side of the game is an area we've struggled in this season and as a result we've resorted to that awful sort of long ball football you usually associate with Stoke or an Allardyce team. No one wants to see that and I'm sure Pardew doesn't either, particularly when we're not any fucking good at it I think we really need another six to twelve months before judging the man. If we're in the same position this time next season then get rid, but lets give him the chance to construct a team first. He wasn't backed when he should've been last summer so naturally we've regressed. He's made mistakes but he also managed to inspire a side that didn't look anything like a top six team into challengers for a CL place. Anyway, if we did sack him now I just don't see where we could go? We're always going to be looking at the untried or unfancied managers because of the management structure and wages on offer.

When you have a midfielder at left back and your third (fourth?) choice right back playing it's not unexpected. Not welcome obviously, but not unexpected. That's been the case for 31 games? Because we're, erm, looking at figures across 31 games. Jesus. I wasn't aware the original post was referring to an earlier one containing stats from this season. Please accept my apologies. And while I am flattered I can categorically state I am not your lord and savior.

Yeah - it's going to be the very definition of a 6 pointer as I fear the Fulham game will be beyond us after Europe. Shits about to get real. We don't have a particularly awful record after playing in Europe do we? 4 wins. Compared to how many draws and losses?

Pards is here to stay matey

Yeah - it's going to be the very definition of a 6 pointer as I fear the Fulham game will be beyond us after Europe. Shits about to get real. We don't have a particularly awful record after playing in Europe do we?

I think anything north of 37 points will see us safe. I hope anyway.

So that if anyone tries to steal him they have to pay us loads for him. Sounds daft now but it was drawn up straight after he'd won manager of the year and guided us to fifth. Oh yeah that's right Did he sign before or after Hodgson got the England job? Edit: Can you imagine anyone paying money for Pardew It was after if I remember rightly.

So that if anyone tries to steal him they have to pay us loads for him. Sounds daft now but it was drawn up straight after he'd won manager of the year and guided us to fifth.

If they manage to score first it could get fairly ugly. Have you seen their support? It's going to get fairly ugly anyway.

6/10. I still think we've got one of the best run-ins of everyone down there, but the league table does look a bit dodgy this evening.

Would winning a cup make him a good manager? it would make him our most successful for over 40 years, I could live with it. Don't be daft. He'd have nothing to do with it. It would all be down to the individual brilliance of the players. (Or something like that). And Graham Carr.

When you have a midfielder at left back and your third (fourth?) choice right back playing it's not unexpected. Not welcome obviously, but not unexpected.

Really? When we were winning? No. I saw people complain about HBA not being chucked straight back in and stuff like that, but by and large everyone seemed very happy with our lot. Obviously I can't account for everyone and there may have been a few complaints I may have missed, however the number of people climbing out of the woodwork and playing the "I told you so" card suggests to me that quite a few are telling porkies.