Dinho lad

I think we've already discussed this, thanks madras.

In your opinion, maybe. But I'd certainly lose respect for that player.

if it was the other way round, rob lee on solskjaer would you say the same thing ? I've no doubt lee would have. I'd still think that it would be a HUGE CUNTISH thing to do. Pretty much like your constant efforts to try and "catch out" posters' opinions all these years on here, madras. I just don't like hypocracy. Nor do I. But as I said, I would still think that it was horrible thing to do. Just as much as I think that Taylor was a t*** for celebrating in front of Begovic last season. (A smaller example, I know.) you'd expect our players to the same thing though. doing a cuntish thing does not necessarily make one a c***. Having the sole intention of hacking a player down? When? in the same position, going for the title and about to lose a game, we'd all want our players to do that. And as I said, it doesn't make it any less of a cuntish thing to do.

if it was the other way round, rob lee on solskjaer would you say the same thing ? I've no doubt lee would have. I'd still think that it would be a HUGE CUNTISH thing to do. Pretty much like your constant efforts to try and "catch out" posters' opinions all these years on here, madras. I just don't like hypocracy. Nor do I. But as I said, I would still think that it was horrible thing to do. Just as much as I think that Taylor was a t*** for celebrating in front of Begovic last season. (A smaller example, I know.) you'd expect our players to the same thing though. doing a cuntish thing does not necessarily make one a cunt. Having the sole intention of hacking a player down? When?

if it was the other way round, rob lee on solskjaer would you say the same thing ? I've no doubt lee would have. I'd still think that it would be a HUGE CUNTISH thing to do. Pretty much like your constant efforts to try and "catch out" posters' opinions all these years on here, madras. I just don't like hypocracy. Nor do I. But as I said, I would still think that it was horrible thing to do. Just as much as I think that Taylor was a twat for celebrating in front of Begovic last season. (A smaller example, I know.)

doesn't answer my question. I was still talking to myself there.

if it was the other way round, rob lee on solskjaer would you say the same thing ? I've no doubt lee would have. I'd still think that it would be a HUGE CUNTISH thing to do. Pretty much like your constant efforts to try and "catch out" posters' opinions all these years on here, madras.

Had no intention whatsoever to win the ball. Didn't care if the injury could have potentially injured a fellow professional...... ......an absolute selfish cunt.

OGS is an absolute fucking disgrace for deliberately running pretty much the full length of the field solely to commit a foul. Absolute fucking punch-able cunt.

Unfortunately we have a manager who cannot create a team with one free role, a role i'd give to Hatem. Even Fat Sam used to give free roles at Bolton to Jay Jay Okocha and then Djorkaeff. Pardew is a twonk. Who do Wenger, Jose, Rodges and Pellegrini give free roles to ? There is no need in a team at all to have a free role for anyone, a manager should be able to expect all of their players to play as a part of their team. I hate seeing Benny on the bench and as a fan I want to see this skillful flair player who is exciting and does things non of the rest of our team can do but I also ore than anything want to see us win. When its 0-0 with 10 mins to go and he works his magic, we have players lining up flying forward all waiting for the cut back "pick ya man out Benny" oh nope he tries to score from an impossible angle. As a manager I would want to f***ing kill him, yes okay you did the amazing work to create the chance but be happy with that, he happy with creating a chance for a team mate, he doesn't always have to be the one. Wenger used to give a free role to Freddie Ljungerg. I have seen Oscar play a pretty free-role for Chelsea this season with no defensive duties at all for big chunks. I think Ben Arfa's 'selfishness' is down to a few factors. The first one is the obvious one which is that he's a very tricky player and likes to entertain and will therefore hold on to it more. Another factor is that his team thinks the same and no one gives him an option, but I think it's the third factor which is the most important one and that is that our manager has no idea on how to set up a team to attack. Not once have I seen us play some decent stuff up front during his tenure here. He's had this team play very well at the back, he's had this team of late keeping the ball on the ground and ticking at midfield, but I've never seen us keep the ball around the oppositions goal area and tried stuff. We are one of the few teams in this league which has no idea on how to attack. We lack an identity in front, just like the season we finished 5th we rely to heavily upon individual ability which makes it even dumber not to start Ben Arfa. The only way we've attacked of late is through the right flank, which has ended in one non-fluke goal (Sissoko to Cabaye against Palace). Cabaye at Old Trafford and Debuchy against Palace were all flukes in one way or another. As for the cutting back, if your example is the one where he took a shot against Arsenal you have to look at that before, no one was in a position to get the ball there, everyone cut back and stayed behind a defender. My only realy complaint with him this week was yesterday when he took a touch to much, should've taken a shot and scored, no idea what he was doing. That's what happens to a player that gets 15-20minutes a game though. p*ss poor excuse. How is it? He looked sharp enough immediately against Palace and against Stoke, and even against Arsenal. Minutes are not the issue here, clearly. Rubbish. For a start, playing regular competitive football sharpens the mind as well as the body. Since it's his decision making that's in question I would've thought you'd realise that. Laaaaaaaame.

Maybe if fuckers like you didn't jump on people's back for raising perfectly valid points about the issue.... You've genuinely made no valid points that I've bothered to read. You're boring faux aggression may be tinting my view slightly though. I was taking in general. You've been quite sensitive to all of this HBA debate.

Unfortunately we have a manager who cannot create a team with one free role, a role i'd give to Hatem. Even Fat Sam used to give free roles at Bolton to Jay Jay Okocha and then Djorkaeff. Pardew is a twonk. Who do Wenger, Jose, Rodges and Pellegrini give free roles to ? There is no need in a team at all to have a free role for anyone, a manager should be able to expect all of their players to play as a part of their team. I hate seeing Benny on the bench and as a fan I want to see this skillful flair player who is exciting and does things non of the rest of our team can do but I also ore than anything want to see us win. When its 0-0 with 10 mins to go and he works his magic, we have players lining up flying forward all waiting for the cut back "pick ya man out Benny" oh nope he tries to score from an impossible angle. As a manager I would want to f***ing kill him, yes okay you did the amazing work to create the chance but be happy with that, he happy with creating a chance for a team mate, he doesn't always have to be the one. Wenger used to give a free role to Freddie Ljungerg. I have seen Oscar play a pretty free-role for Chelsea this season with no defensive duties at all for big chunks. I think Ben Arfa's 'selfishness' is down to a few factors. The first one is the obvious one which is that he's a very tricky player and likes to entertain and will therefore hold on to it more. Another factor is that his team thinks the same and no one gives him an option, but I think it's the third factor which is the most important one and that is that our manager has no idea on how to set up a team to attack. Not once have I seen us play some decent stuff up front during his tenure here. He's had this team play very well at the back, he's had this team of late keeping the ball on the ground and ticking at midfield, but I've never seen us keep the ball around the oppositions goal area and tried stuff. We are one of the few teams in this league which has no idea on how to attack. We lack an identity in front, just like the season we finished 5th we rely to heavily upon individual ability which makes it even dumber not to start Ben Arfa. The only way we've attacked of late is through the right flank, which has ended in one non-fluke goal (Sissoko to Cabaye against Palace). Cabaye at Old Trafford and Debuchy against Palace were all flukes in one way or another. As for the cutting back, if your example is the one where he took a shot against Arsenal you have to look at that before, no one was in a position to get the ball there, everyone cut back and stayed behind a defender. My only realy complaint with him this week was yesterday when he took a touch to much, should've taken a shot and scored, no idea what he was doing. That's what happens to a player that gets 15-20minutes a game though. p*ss poor excuse. How is it? He looked sharp enough immediately against Palace and against Stoke, and even against Arsenal. Minutes are not the issue here, clearly.

You ''can't'' criticise players who don't play so yeah I guess you're right. But I'd say I've been equally frustrated with him as I've been in awe of him when on the pitch. (at least in my own mind, if that doesn't come across here I apologize but it's mostly because I don't stay in match threads every time we play). I just think he's our most technically gifted player shouldn't be benched in favour of players who in my opinion offer less. At the moment I think Sissoko and Shola are offering less, especially against weaker sides such as West Brom. I certainly don't want him benched.

Maybe if fuckers like you didn't jump on people's back for raising perfectly valid points about the issue....

Couldn't agree more. with which bit? With all of his post. You've built an idea of me as some sort of Ben Arfa fan boy and stuck with it. I've defended and criticized Ben Arfa equally. I think it's fair to say he's not the player he is nor is he the player many on here think he is. You've definitely not defended him and criticised him equally! Glad to see you're starting to form a more balanced view, though.

Couldn't agree more. with which bit?

Unfortunately we have a manager who cannot create a team with one free role, a role i'd give to Hatem. Even Fat Sam used to give free roles at Bolton to Jay Jay Okocha and then Djorkaeff. Pardew is a twonk. Who do Wenger, Jose, Rodges and Pellegrini give free roles to ? There is no need in a team at all to have a free role for anyone, a manager should be able to expect all of their players to play as a part of their team. I hate seeing Benny on the bench and as a fan I want to see this skillful flair player who is exciting and does things non of the rest of our team can do but I also ore than anything want to see us win. When its 0-0 with 10 mins to go and he works his magic, we have players lining up flying forward all waiting for the cut back "pick ya man out Benny" oh nope he tries to score from an impossible angle. As a manager I would want to f***ing kill him, yes okay you did the amazing work to create the chance but be happy with that, he happy with creating a chance for a team mate, he doesn't always have to be the one. Wenger used to give a free role to Freddie Ljungerg. I have seen Oscar play a pretty free-role for Chelsea this season with no defensive duties at all for big chunks. I think Ben Arfa's 'selfishness' is down to a few factors. The first one is the obvious one which is that he's a very tricky player and likes to entertain and will therefore hold on to it more. Another factor is that his team thinks the same and no one gives him an option, but I think it's the third factor which is the most important one and that is that our manager has no idea on how to set up a team to attack. Not once have I seen us play some decent stuff up front during his tenure here. He's had this team play very well at the back, he's had this team of late keeping the ball on the ground and ticking at midfield, but I've never seen us keep the ball around the oppositions goal area and tried stuff. We are one of the few teams in this league which has no idea on how to attack. We lack an identity in front, just like the season we finished 5th we rely to heavily upon individual ability which makes it even dumber not to start Ben Arfa. The only way we've attacked of late is through the right flank, which has ended in one non-fluke goal (Sissoko to Cabaye against Palace). Cabaye at Old Trafford and Debuchy against Palace were all flukes in one way or another. As for the cutting back, if your example is the one where he took a shot against Arsenal you have to look at that before, no one was in a position to get the ball there, everyone cut back and stayed behind a defender. My only realy complaint with him this week was yesterday when he took a touch to much, should've taken a shot and scored, no idea what he was doing. That's what happens to a player that gets 15-20minutes a game though. Piss poor excuse.

Mole, I think you're a good guy, but sometimes you really do have this habit of coming across as an almighty dick. He's Swelley junior.

I like them slightly better now. I dislike you a bit more now.

Alright, Adolf.

fuck sake.

Fuck off, then.

and gary lineker.