Dokko

Most probably, yeah. The amount of memories of Gerrard smashing in a last minute winner over the years are endless. Without him they would be a very average side. Benitez is probably is a decent enough manager, but for Liverpool he's signed a lot of players who didn't make the grade for whatever reason. Signs too many allrounders and not enough truly skillful players. Aquilani looks skillful, but looks too slight for the Pl and will need at least a season to settle and build up the stamina to play in the PL. It ain't the pass the ball around have a coffee break the European leagues are....The intensity must come as a shock. The once great Liverpool academy has dried up as well. I might be missing someone but really who was their last top 10 prem player they produced?

Not even that really. Most of them time they've fluked their way to victory, been given a bogus decision or Gerrard has bailed them out. Liverpool only perform (just like their fans) for the final 10mins after Gerrard decides he wants to win the game. Now Gerrard is off form and Torres is picking up injuries left right and centre, which he always has done, they've got nothing left in the tank especially with the sale of Alonso, and the erratic form and behaviour of Macherano. Carragher going down hill faster than Eddie the Eagle has buggered their defence as well, everything is shite. Players like Babel could be the ones to pull it out for them, fresh legs and ideas, only Rafa has treated him with such disdain and hampered his progression Babel is only interested in his next move. Someone said all their bad luck is coming at once, evening out for the last 10 years of unreal good luck, i reckon they could be right, but their luck could easily change, string a couple of wins together through the other teams being poor and they morale will lift and their main lucky charm Gerrard could come fighting back. They are only 5pts off 4th and the media are treating it like they've been relegated, ok the momentum is with others, but Liverpool do have the experience of their manager, their players and fans, and that could be vital in the final push. They need to make some moves in the transfer market, I hear they've brought in Maxi Rodriguez who by all accounts is a good player last time i checked, it could be the spark they need. Liverpool aren't done yet, the end is when they sell Gerrard and Torres, if they do that it will be a long time before they are genuine title contenders and will struggle to be the cup team they are.

Danny Shit2 FFS! Please no!.

Just as long as Sunderland go out asap, doubt i could live with CCC footie and them getting to an FA cup final.

With Manu & Liverpool out of the cup already its a soft option for Arsenal or Chelsea, or a real chance for one of the trailers to get themselves on the trophy list.

Can they afford it? Can they afford not too? The simple fact is that the squad isn't good enough though. I know that's down to him, but it means there's nothing to say the new guy would do much better. If they have to pay him off and don't get CL either, that's a lot of brass lost. They might just see it out and try force him out in the summer. Even the old trick of selling Torres behind his back won't work since he's come out and said its a possibility (or something similar) so Liverpool really are stuck with him. He doesn't look like he'll walk in this situation; for me he's the type to walk when things are going great and he feels vindicated for whatever reason, but doing so poorly he'll want to stay for his payoff as he's a huffy fecker. PS: How red are his cheeks? WTF has he been up to?

Can they afford it? Can they afford not too?

Unfortunately true.

Won't be allowed in the CL if the new rules on debt come in. Which they won't. Pipe dream to the extreme.

Is this like Ronaldo knowing all the Depo fans and their opinions?

Citeh's take: http://smf.citymancs.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=ls4u8nu92qs8dob889bv7ishr4&topic=17455.0 http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3461/u111111.png

(2) would win by a country mile. On the whole the NUST have been organised, earnest and effective. This is clearly a mis-step but it's a long term, well backed campaign amongst fans and the media. Such clangers hurt them all the more having built up the level of momentum they have exactly because they're a far more well publicised and organised group than whoever knocked up the pamphlet on powerpoint that no-one outside of a couple of message boards has any clue about. The latest in a long line to be fair. And still they keep going. Like the previous mistakes, I'm sure this one will not lose them all credibility as so many seem eager to insist will be the case. Lots of impatient fans who insist on things being perfect immediately will hoy their toys out the pram and denigrate what has been the most succesful enlistment of fans into a single collective voice in my lifetime. But there are too many fans that realise if it falls apart it's a wasted opportunity that nobody else will feel compelled to try again because there are too many naysayers. The NUST is what everyone was crying out for for years so they won't call it a day because of one badly worded statement amongst many. See, while my opinion is that a takeover could well be an absolute disaster now (though with the right leadership the idea still excites me tbh ), I always supported the idea of of some seriously improved channels of communication with the club that all supporters can feel part of but. But right from the start this group started out with childish threats and insults, and still can't wipe the chips from their collective shoulders and move on from the playground politics. While I've continued to be cynical, I have been impressed by some of their achievements, and genuinely wanted them to demand respect and credibility (to keep making mistakes like this I can't help feeling (silly I know) reflects not only badly on themselves, but all of us who support the club), which is why shit like this is just so sodding irritating. It is. Whenever I speak to anyone in the NUST they're always passionate about encouraging as many people as possible to join and make their voice heard. It's unfortunate if the 'chip on your shoulder' effect sometimes comes across because, unfortunately, as non-members they're speaking for you. Don't even join up, just go to a roadshow and tell them what they're doing wrong. they're as receptive to criticism as they are encouragement. I'd be interested in doing that, where and when? Thu, 21 January, 19:30 – 23:00 Wallsend Labour Club & Institute, Camberley Road, Wallsend, NE28 0PN (map) (This is a fundraising event for Wallsend Boys club and costs £5 a ticket) Fri, 22 January, 19:30 – 23:00 The Alexandra Pub, Queen Alexandra Rd, North Shields NE29 9AL Otr there's always the toon talk radio show where someone from the NUST is always on. Might pop in and see what the criac is, give myself a more balanced opinion them. I'd like to hear what the actual organisers have to say to the crowds, put on the spot, not just carefully planned (or not sometimes) press releases.

(2) would win by a country mile. On the whole the NUST have been organised, earnest and effective. This is clearly a mis-step but it's a long term, well backed campaign amongst fans and the media. Such clangers hurt them all the more having built up the level of momentum they have exactly because they're a far more well publicised and organised group than whoever knocked up the pamphlet on powerpoint that no-one outside of a couple of message boards has any clue about. The latest in a long line to be fair. And still they keep going. Like the previous mistakes, I'm sure this one will not lose them all credibility as so many seem eager to insist will be the case. Lots of impatient fans who insist on things being perfect immediately will hoy their toys out the pram and denigrate what has been the most succesful enlistment of fans into a single collective voice in my lifetime. But there are too many fans that realise if it falls apart it's a wasted opportunity that nobody else will feel compelled to try again because there are too many naysayers. The NUST is what everyone was crying out for for years so they won't call it a day because of one badly worded statement amongst many. See, while my opinion is that a takeover could well be an absolute disaster now (though with the right leadership the idea still excites me tbh ), I always supported the idea of of some seriously improved channels of communication with the club that all supporters can feel part of but. But right from the start this group started out with childish threats and insults, and still can't wipe the chips from their collective shoulders and move on from the playground politics. While I've continued to be cynical, I have been impressed by some of their achievements, and genuinely wanted them to demand respect and credibility (to keep making mistakes like this I can't help feeling (silly I know) reflects not only badly on themselves, but all of us who support the club), which is why shit like this is just so sodding irritating. It is. Whenever I speak to anyone in the NUST they're always passionate about encouraging as many people as possible to join and make their voice heard. It's unfortunate if the 'chip on your shoulder' effect sometimes comes across because, unfortunately, as non-members they're speaking for you. Don't even join up, just go to a roadshow and tell them what they're doing wrong. they're as receptive to criticism as they are encouragement. I'd be interested in doing that, where and when?

Agreed. He could have nailed him about the performances and wages part, but let him slip away. Rasied his voice once or twice but pussied out of it.

(2) would win by a country mile. On the whole the NUST have been organised, earnest and effective. This is clearly a mis-step but it's a long term, well backed campaign amongst fans and the media. Such clangers hurt them all the more having built up the level of momentum they have exactly because they're a far more well publicised and organised group than whoever knocked up the pamphlet on powerpoint that no-one outside of a couple of message boards has any clue about. Do they have your support still, and more importantly your money if they make a bid? I've paid my membership and pledged nothing else because i don't agree with making a bid to buy the club. They still have my unwavering support though. They're Newcastle fans. I'll say when i don't agree with something. i won't call the entire endeavour flawed and insist a stop be put to it. You'd have to be a mackem to do that. So if you don't agree (partly) with them you are a mackem? Well done, that'll get them in. I don't know where people get this opinion that the members are deluded and up their own arse from. I thought you were on board with them until this statement came out. We have a supporters trust growing faster than any in the country. I don't see how that can be a bad thing for the club whatever campaign is currently being run and i can't see why any Newcastle fan would prefer that endeavour to end. I was 50-50, its a nice idea like winning the lottery, i stand very little chance but i play it every week. Their campaign started rough, something out of shear frustration and passion and has slowly moulded in to something more reputable, good for them, though they stand no chance of making a bid never mind it getting accepted. TBF to them its shaping up better than the Manu fans against the Glazers, which was comical, but if the thing wrapped up tomorrow it would make the same amount of difference if it carried on until Ashley left the club and when it does happen they'll have no say in it whatsoever (unfortunately) The only time we effected Ashley as supporters is when we protested, he instantly listed the club and spat his dummy, and where you could say the sale of it and the mess began. I personally don't think calling people mackems for not supporting them or the idea is going to help the cause, especially a cause with so many flaws, and an idea which began so amateurish it was ridiculed by the majority of fans. Their image leaves a lot to be desired from the last lot of hiccups, while this one goes right back to the amateur roots of the start and with something we want addressing so clearly, the finances, it was the wrong subject to blindfully pin the tail on the donkey. I have no problem with any fan that doesn't want to join or support the NUST. I can understand why they don't want to spend money on a project they believe is doomed to failure. I can even see that they'd rather be right when it goes wrong. It's difficult to fully support it as much as you do the team and to put faith in the small chance it will come off. Even though that's a self defeating attitude, because it will only succeed with support. That's fine and i know many people who are passive. But I can't get my head around voiciferously oppsosing it and calling for an end to it, not because the long term goals and ideals are wrong, but because they've been rash to report an ill thought out rumour in a lapse back to the amateurish beginnings. It's certainly doing no harm, i just wish they'd get it together and stop fuking about making massive mistakes alienating swaying fans. The other option is to fuk off, and maybe where people are coming from. The either or, rather than that's what they really want. (hope you get me) The amateurish beginnings can be put to the back of the mind as long as they don't do the same thing again, and they have and why its all brought up in one and people are classing it as a joke. You can only measure them on what they've done, not on what they hope to achieve, or we'd be handing them out Nobel peace prizes like Obama received for his dreams.

If this was Dragon's Den they'd come in with an initial dodgy pitch, with one of the Dragons saying am out from the moment they stop speaking, then another one saying they've got no product and declaring themselves out. Then a ray of hope, one Dragon talks them through their pitch, shows an interest and the other two remaining Dragons get a twitch of interest. Then when asked about the finances of the whole thing, they get profits mixed up with turnovers, while overpricing the whole venture and two of the three dragons decide that its far too unprofessional and a risky investment. One Dragon remains, can they pull it off and get the investment they came for?

(2) would win by a country mile. On the whole the NUST have been organised, earnest and effective. This is clearly a mis-step but it's a long term, well backed campaign amongst fans and the media. Such clangers hurt them all the more having built up the level of momentum they have exactly because they're a far more well publicised and organised group than whoever knocked up the pamphlet on powerpoint that no-one outside of a couple of message boards has any clue about. Do they have your support still, and more importantly your money if they make a bid? I've paid my membership and pledged nothing else because i don't agree with making a bid to buy the club. They still have my unwavering support though. They're Newcastle fans. I'll say when i don't agree with something. i won't call the entire endeavour flawed and insist a stop be put to it. You'd have to be a mackem to do that. So if you don't agree (partly) with them you are a mackem? Well done, that'll get them in. I don't know where people get this opinion that the members are deluded and up their own arse from. I thought you were on board with them until this statement came out. We have a supporters trust growing faster than any in the country. I don't see how that can be a bad thing for the club whatever campaign is currently being run and i can't see why any Newcastle fan would prefer that endeavour to end. I was 50-50, its a nice idea like winning the lottery, i stand very little chance but i play it every week. Their campaign started rough, something out of shear frustration and passion and has slowly moulded in to something more reputable, good for them, though they stand no chance of making a bid never mind it getting accepted. TBF to them its shaping up better than the Manu fans against the Glazers, which was comical, but if the thing wrapped up tomorrow it would make the same amount of difference if it carried on until Ashley left the club and when it does happen they'll have no say in it whatsoever (unfortunately) The only time we effected Ashley as supporters is when we protested, he instantly listed the club and spat his dummy, and where you could say the sale of it and the mess began. I personally don't think calling people mackems for not supporting them or the idea is going to help the cause, especially a cause with so many flaws, and an idea which began so amateurish it was ridiculed by the majority of fans. Their image leaves a lot to be desired from the last lot of hiccups, while this one goes right back to the amateur roots of the start and with something we want addressing so clearly, the finances, it was the wrong subject to blindfully pin the tail on the donkey.

(2) would win by a country mile. On the whole the NUST have been organised, earnest and effective. This is clearly a mis-step but it's a long term, well backed campaign amongst fans and the media. Such clangers hurt them all the more having built up the level of momentum they have exactly because they're a far more well publicised and organised group than whoever knocked up the pamphlet on powerpoint that no-one outside of a couple of message boards has any clue about. Do they have your support still, and more importantly your money if they make a bid? I've paid my membership and pledged nothing else because i don't agree with making a bid to buy the club. They still have my unwavering support though. They're Newcastle fans. I'll say when i don't agree with something. i won't call the entire endeavour flawed and insist a stop be put to it. You'd have to be a mackem to do that. So if you don't agree (partly) with them you are a mackem? Well done, that'll get them in. I don't know where people get this opinion that the members are deluded and up their own arse from.

A complete wanker of the highest order, but sounds so far (only a few mins in) every dog has its day.

(2) would win by a country mile. On the whole the NUST have been organised, earnest and effective. This is clearly a mis-step but it's a long term, well backed campaign amongst fans and the media. Such clangers hurt them all the more having built up the level of momentum they have exactly because they're a far more well publicised and organised group than whoever knocked up the pamphlet on powerpoint that no-one outside of a couple of message boards has any clue about. Do they have your support still, and more importantly your money if they make a bid?

Player plus cash deal for Kris Boyd? Oh, no..wait..Boyd plays for Scotland too. Aye but Boyd is canny (until we realise he's a cunt) I was more leaning towards the hatred the lad already has on this place. Him selling out and playing for Scotland would just add another string to the bow of hate aimed directly at his forehead. Though some of it is just and fair, he gets his fair share of stick. Next we'll sell him to Sunderland and he'll be the next Don Hutchinson.

And rightly not, the way it's turning out. But there were always plenty of uncritical ("at least they're doing something") supporters too. Like myself, but now all i can do is laugh. Ashley couldn't have planned it better himself. Why would he want to chase away a potential buyer? They had the support of the fans, or at least some, more than Ashley's got, but for them to step up and buy them was an age away, probably too long for the 2010 season where Ashley will again attempt to sell to the highest bidder. The idea they were more competent than Ashley has put more pressure on him but that has flown straight out of the window with £7m profit shite.

And rightly not, the way it's turning out. But there were always plenty of uncritical ("at least they're doing something") supporters too. Like myself, but now all i can do is laugh. Ashley couldn't have planned it better himself.

If he plays for Scotland we should get rid of him.