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So what happened? Did you go through the change or bottle it when your nuts were to be cut off?

You dont point out things that make woodgate seem thick, you are pointing out things that make Woodgate a cock, big difference. If he is mentally weak then there is a lot that we could do, psychologists, psychotherapists, hypnotherapists, changes in life circumstances, proper coaching etc. Basically loan him to Arsenal and allow Wenger to get hold of him for half a season, if he cannot sort him out, im right, he's just slow to learn. The best way to learn is to teach imo, maybe we should start getting him talking to the young (i mean 9year olds) and taking coaching sessions, make him think about what it means to be a good defender. That with a Psychological review and hypnotherapy to take the edge off could help a great deal.

I've said this many time before, he is thick as fuk. I bet his IQ is borderline retarded. I'm not trying to be funny or nasty, but you can just tell the lad is missing a brain. It has to come naturally to him, or not at all. That's why parts of his game are excellent, and have been from day dot, and why other parts just haven't caught up. I hoped it was case of not telling him once, but 10 times, then i thought maybe he needs telling 100 times, but the reality is it could be 1000 times before it sinks in. I still think it could, and why i wouldn't be too quick to release for free. The last throw of the dice is Pearson for me. He was starting to improve, just like all the defenders when Pearson came in, then picked up an injury, so we haven't had the full on Pearson effect on Titus, maybe this guy can crack him, fingers crossed. What gets me is some thick players have forged great careers for themselves over the years. Look at Gazza, thick as whale's spunk, but a fine footballer. They even say the less their head is filled with shite, i.e. the less they think, the more able they are to concentrate on their game and develop. So what is Bramble's problem? Saying it's his IQ just seems to easy an answer for me, not to mention harsh as lets face it, none of us know the man. The way he speaks and his quiet nature doesn't mean he's thick. I reckon it's his attitude to the game, his game and himself. He's the Emile Heskey of defenders. Yes but as defender you need to be clever these days. Study opponents and be one step ahead. If not then you really need natural skill and ability, and lots of luck. Gazza as an attacker, just like Rooney can afford not have high level of intelligence as its all natural and its literally second nature, and they only get better by playing more and more. They can afford to make mistakes and not learn for games on end, defenders cant these days. When you get natural skill and a decent level of intelligence in a footballer, you produce players like Shearer, Keane, Henry, Terry, Lampard Owen & Gerrard etc... All players who can study, learn the game, and improve themselves properly. My opinion anyway, its totally flawed i know, but i cant think of any other reason Titus isnt developing properly, i dont buy the he hasn't got it in him stance, i do accept poor coaching playing its part, but i expected more by now. And Woodgate? BTW I'm not disagreeing with you here, that may well be the case for Bramble, although I stress again, we don't actually know if he's thick or not do we, and even if he was thick, I still refuse to see how that's him fucked then because as already touched on, many thick players have made it. I wouldn't say Woodgate is the sharpest tool in the box, but he's a great player when fit and I wouldn't say it is all natural ability either because he's no athlete, he's not particularly strong and technique wise he's not too hot either, but he somehow manages to read things better than most. How come though, if he's thick and why should it stop Bramble? I think there are deeper reasons for Bramble's inability to concentrate for 90 minutes and I'd say confidence and mental strength are the key issues and not IQ, low or otherwise. Take Woodgate for example, lets just say for arguements sake he is thick, but he's outgoing, confident and he's also mentally tough which has enabled him to get through his injuries and that court case. Is Bramble confident? By all accounts he's not, he's shy, quiet and self concious. Is he mentally strong? I don't think he is, you just have to see his face when he makes a rick or when the crowd groan. Is he thick? Maybe, but I say, so? I'd say Woody isn't that intelligent as well, but not knock on wood (pardon the pun) thick like bramble. He also has natural ability as a defender, something Bramble hasn't. Bramble: Big athlete, with a few characteristics that have got him to this level, but the other stuff isn't natural for him, and with him also being pretty much dumb, he's not learning them quickly enough. From what i hear this gooch guy is just like Titus, only he learns from his mistakes, if so he'll be a great asset to us. Whether he does it through having more ability, being more intelligent or having the sheer determination to better himself, i dont know, it could be the lot and probably is, i just feel if Titus was above average intelligence, he'd be a fantastic player, and wouldn't be dropping clangers. I also, rightly or wrongly, believe the same can be said with Ameobi. Good athlete, has a few characteristics that have got him to this level also, but the natural ability isn't there, and neither is the intelligence to learn. But Ameobi is improving through more game time, and will continue to do so.

I've said this many time before, he is thick as fuk. I bet his IQ is borderline retarded. I'm not trying to be funny or nasty, but you can just tell the lad is missing a brain. It has to come naturally to him, or not at all. That's why parts of his game are excellent, and have been from day dot, and why other parts just haven't caught up. I hoped it was case of not telling him once, but 10 times, then i thought maybe he needs telling 100 times, but the reality is it could be 1000 times before it sinks in. I still think it could, and why i wouldn't be too quick to release for free. The last throw of the dice is Pearson for me. He was starting to improve, just like all the defenders when Pearson came in, then picked up an injury, so we haven't had the full on Pearson effect on Titus, maybe this guy can crack him, fingers crossed. What gets me is some thick players have forged great careers for themselves over the years. Look at Gazza, thick as whale's spunk, but a fine footballer. They even say the less their head is filled with shite, i.e. the less they think, the more able they are to concentrate on their game and develop. So what is Bramble's problem? Saying it's his IQ just seems to easy an answer for me, not to mention harsh as lets face it, none of us know the man. The way he speaks and his quiet nature doesn't mean he's thick. I reckon it's his attitude to the game, his game and himself. He's the Emile Heskey of defenders. Yes but as defender you need to be clever these days. Study opponents and be one step ahead. If not then you really need natural skill and ability, and lots of luck. Gazza as an attacker, just like Rooney can afford not have high level of intelligence as its all natural and its literally second nature, and they only get better by playing more and more. They can afford to make mistakes and not learn for games on end, defenders cant these days. When you get natural skill and a decent level of intelligence in a footballer, you produce players like Shearer, Keane, Henry, Terry, Lampard Owen & Gerrard etc... All players who can study, learn the game, and improve themselves properly. My opinion anyway, its totally flawed i know, but i cant think of any other reason Titus isnt developing properly, i dont buy the he hasn't got it in him stance, i do accept poor coaching playing its part, but i expected more by now.

No, its all natural, which is great when its that concentrated in one person, and of course an attacking player. I know what you are saying, i just dont think you need to be bright to stay awake for 90 minutes. There is no link only myth with ADHD & low IQ's is there? I dont think there is, but maybe he has some form of that.

No, its all natural, which is great when its that concentrated in one person, and of course an attacking player.

I've said this many time before, he is thick as fuk. I bet his IQ is borderline retarded. I'm not trying to be funny or nasty, but you can just tell the lad is missing a brain. It has to come naturally to him, or not at all. That's why parts of his game are excellent, and have been from day dot, and why other parts just haven't caught up. I hoped it was case of not telling him once, but 10 times, then i thought maybe he needs telling 100 times, but the reality is it could be 1000 times before it sinks in. I still think it could, and why i wouldn't be too quick to release for free. The last throw of the dice is Pearson for me. He was starting to improve, just like all the defenders when Pearson came in, then picked up an injury, so we haven't had the full on Pearson effect on Titus, maybe this guy can crack him, fingers crossed.

He's lucky to be playing football so a howler isn't that important right now. Glad to hear he had a decent game bar that, although he should against WB.

What are you on about biting? I was just giving you a quick description of the goal to show you that I did in fact see it. Oh and a winking smillie can actually be interpreted in many different ways mate

So edited it back.

like when he cocked up against Mexico and let Borgetti in to score that goal just before the World Cup. tbf not seen that much of him though, looks built like a brick $hithouse Actually you've just reminded me that I have seen him play. That game against Mexico was the first of a two World Cup qualifiers against Mexico if I remember correctly? I remember the player who made that mistake (didn't realise it was him) in the first game but if I remember right he then dominating in the second game against the same team and the US won the match comfortably with a clean sheet. So hopefully that was just a mistake that he learned from. Been reading wiki more like No actually I haven't. I remember he turned his back and the Mexican got goal side and got an easy free header, Onywu tried to get back to stop it but couldn't and ended up hitting into the post or swining on it or something like that. Is that description on Wikki? There was wink, no need to bite, me thinks you protest too much.

like when he cocked up against Mexico and let Borgetti in to score that goal just before the World Cup. tbf not seen that much of him though, looks built like a brick $hithouse Actually you've just reminded me that I have seen him play. That game against Mexico was the first of a two World Cup qualifiers against Mexico if I remember correctly? I remember the player who made that mistake (didn't realise it was him) in the first game but if I remember right he then dominating in the second game against the same team and the US won the match comfortably with a clean sheet. So hopefully that was just a mistake that he learned from. Been reading wiki more like

Prove it first eh? Aye and cheers for the 6pts, we needed em.

Having medical!

Yes..a Luque, but atleast Babel is 8 years younger. I just hope that Roeder gives Babel the same amount of patience and faith that he gave to Martins, since it's his singing, he most likely will.. But about this Babel lad, can he play as a target-man? Is he strong in the air? Is he physical enough and does he hold up play and link up well enough to be an ideal partner for Martins? Why is everyone thinking Martins is like some sort of footballing god? Is it just me that thinks he's still got a lot to prove? I do hope that was a poor attempt at a joke, yes he is raw but the amount of goals and assists he has got when he has started in a new league at 22 years of age and lots or random and sub standard strike partners is pretty impressive! If Babel comes in and makes the same impact we will be very lucky! When watching him play he does some fucking stupid stuff though. Admittedly he is young and in a new place, but he just doesn't fill me with confidence and whenever he scores it's like a massive relief. He has what 10/11 goals and half as many assists, aye he is shit like! I mean from a 22 year old in a new league I would expect at least double that! What a waste! If as Roeder said he will score 20 goals, he will be without doubt possibly the worst ever player to score 20 goals in the prem imo. I think he meant 20 goals in all comps. Michael Owen hasn't even scored 20 league goals in one season. But dont let that stop a ridiculous rant about one of our better players

I think this one is about to conclude. Baptista has just picked up an injury and now Wenger is looking for a striker to replace him.

We'll see.

Fuking great. I heard he was the next Henry as well! well if arsenal were linked as being keen then its pritty much a good sign that he is good enough lets hope if we do get him he turns into a martins and not a viana Lots of pace, athletic and tall, apparently a copy of Henry. That kind of player, as long as he's some ball control will do canny in the EPL. But coming here is the wrong move, we couldn't nurture his talent, he's better off going to Wenger, he'll look after him and turn him in to the next Henry if hehas it in him. We would turn him in to the next Jenas, Viana, Luque etc...

Fuking great. I heard he was the next Henry as well!

He means this Missed that in the confusion, i blame my rose-tinted specs. Anyone care to translate any of the other messages, as in the ones with some optimism from our side?

Have they just got that from the forum? Newcastle insider Karate_Kuyt has confirmed... Lol.. I don´t think I´m the only person in the world who was watching that football program on Dutch tellie. I think the pundit is generally quite well informed, so we´ll have to see if there´s some truth to this story.. Please find this link to a message on an ajax forum.. http://ajax.netwerk.to/nieuws/artikel/13008_%27Bod%20van%207%20miljoen%20plus%20Luque%20voor%20Ryan%20Babel%27.php Notice the first fan reaction too.. It just happens to be in English for your convenience.. Maurito 28 januari 2007 om 22:49:53 help mods! Alleen doen als hij niet wil bijtekenen. Mooi chantagemiddel. Wie wil er nou naar "the graveyard for your career" Newcastle? appugnare 28 januari 2007 om 22:53:16 help mods! Mooie ruil maar ik denk niet dat geeen van beide spelers interesse hebben. Mike1976 28 januari 2007 om 22:53:27 help mods! Je kan iemand niet dwingen, dus dat zal "helaas" niet gaan TNS 28 januari 2007 om 22:55:14 help mods! Strik erom! Leonardo heeft veel meer dreiging als linksbuiten. Centraal komt Babel te kort; goed met ruimte voor zich, marig met z'n rug naar de goal. Daarnaast is Luque een prima speler. Struikelblok zal zijn dat HtC het wel ziet zitten in Ryan Skoft_69 28 januari 2007 om 22:55:50 help mods! Graveyard? Shearer heeft het daar toch prima gedaan? Maar ik kan me niet voorstellen dat Babel dit wil....ik geloof eigenlijk ook nooit transferferuchten als er meerdere spelers in betrokken zijn. Babel moet willen, Luque ook....ik denk niet dat dit zal gaan gebeuren. Ik ken Luque ook niet echt goed...weet alleen dat hij een keer psv een overwintering in Europa door de neus boorde met een vrije trap in dienst van Deportivo. Mike1976 28 januari 2007 om 22:56:54 help mods! Je kan iemand niet dwingen, dus dat zal "helaas" niet gaan maxwellforever 28 januari 2007 om 23:00:06 help mods! Newcaste, dat is het feyenoord van Engeland. Aardig clubje, maar zal incidenteel een prijs pakken en zeker de komende jaren geen kampioen worden. Peter 28 januari 2007 om 23:01:33 help mods! Babel is gek van Arsenal, dus NUFC zal er wel niet in zitten. Jammer, want ik vind het een goed bod. R.E.M. 28 januari 2007 om 23:04:08 help mods! Als hij inderdaad niet bijtekent dan ben je een dief van je portemonnee als je het niet doet. Luque is gewoon een klasse-speler, als Babel wel bijtekent (die evt. gelimiteerde transfersom moet dan wel op zn minst 15 miljoen zijn, maar liever helemaal niet natuurlijk) dan zou ik het niet doen. chinom 28 januari 2007 om 23:05:28 help mods! Niet doen. Ryan is dit jaar enorm gegroeit, en er zit nog zoveel potentie in dat jong nigeldinho 28 januari 2007 om 23:10:09 help mods! Hop weg wezen die kerel. Erger me dood aan hem. Alhoewel... hij kan het goed vinden met Leoooooo Leoooooooooooooo:D maristeas 28 januari 2007 om 23:11:02 help mods! van mij mag het. Luque is zeker een goeie speler. en tja met Babel ze contract gaat het niet helemaal lekker. en zolang Huntelaar maar in de basis blijft maakt het mij opzig vrij weinig uit Aramz 28 januari 2007 om 23:14:37 help mods! Wanneer kan k Babel wegbrengen en Luque ophalen! joodse zeeuw 28 januari 2007 om 23:15:39 help mods! Van mij mogen ze m gratis hebben ajax1900chivu 28 januari 2007 om 23:21:36 help mods! @maxwellforever: Naast groot ajax fan heb ik ook veel sympathie voor Newcastle United. Het is absoluut een zeer wisselvallige club, maar vergelijk ze alsjeblieft niet met die club uit r*dam... Ik denk dat Ajax Babel nog niet moet laten gaan en zeker Luque niet moet overnemen, omdat deze vaak geblesseerd is en nooit echt in vorm de laatste tijd. Hij presteert echt zeer matig, terwijl Babel elke keer weer een aanvallende impuls oplevert. Met Leo en Babel hebben we nu verreweg de snelste en meest technische aanval, laten we dat alsjeblieft zo houden! Maxi 28 januari 2007 om 23:23:43 help mods! hij is gegroeid? weinig vooruitgang sinds die uitwedstrijd in Groningen op zn 18e(?)verjaardag.. -------------------------------------- God English has changed since i was at school. All the hip lingo, im getting old.

Interesting to see how he copes with the EPL, was amazing when he first burst on the scene in the CL, but has died off a hell of a lot.