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TBH, I can see Cardiff getting at least a poiunt at Forest so it will be a celebration before a ball is kicked. Kid Icarus Where in Oz are you?

Aberdeen were a good team, I admit. However, I wouldnt put them in the same quality as MU or playing in a league as the same quality as the 1st division. Eh, but wasn't your point that before he went to Man U, that he had limited experience? Ergo, he was close to being sacked, but then went onto greatness? How does that compare to Hughton when Fergie had already won the lot with Aberdeen? My point is that at the time, Ferguson, when appointed, was an unknown managing in the english league. Wenger was also unknown. There has been numerous examples of managers from other leagues being successful but failing in England. You can look at the recent example of Ramos at Spurs. My point is that noone knows how Hughton will go in the PL. Ronaldo seems to base most of his opinions on his caretaker roles with a complete disregard for the circumstances at the time therefore believing he should be replaced in the summer. I am saying that Hughton is an unknown in the PL, just likes Fergusoin was when he was appointed at MU and Wenger was he was apponted at Arsenal. If Hughton turns out to be half as good as those two, I will be well pleased but we wont know until he is given a chance to do so. That is my point I am trying to get through to Ronaldo which he seems to have mdifficulty in understanding.

Yes, you can suggest it, mate

Re Keegan, check my post above. Re Hughton in the PL..............even someone with as limited ability to understand as you would have to admit that the circumstances he took over as caretaker in the PL where the club and the players were at their lowest ebb would have some sort of effect on results. Players confidence, confusion, fans disatisfaction, pressure, injuries, owner's status, demonstrations, you name it, had such an effect on the club and the players that I doubt anyone could hyave come in and stabilised the club. This time around, he has virtually single handely built the club back up, management wise. He has got rid of the under performers and signed some players of his own who are enhancing the team. He will go into the PL better prepared with a squad totally backing him. CAN YOU SPOT THE DIFFERENCES??????????/ As for your assertion regarding the comparisons with Wenger and Ferguson, let me ask you this question. Had you heard of Wenger before he was surprisingly appointed manager of Arsenal? I doubt it because he was a total unknown, having managed in the J League. I seem to remember that Ferguson was apparently 24 hours away from being sacked as Man Utd manager until they beat us in the cup in the mid 80s. Before managing MU, he had limited experience albeit with a decent Aberdeen side at the time. Managers have to start somewhere. This is Hughton's opportunity and who is to say he will not be a success because we just do not know. However, Man Utd would probably not be the force they are today if they had sacked Ferguson and Arsenbal may not be the force they are today if they had not gambled on an unknown. GET MY DRIFT? You're insane. So, advise me how you come to this conclusion, sonny! Could it possibly be that you are unable to counter my opinion with any rational answer other than that I AM INSANE! Or could it be that almost everyone replying on this thread is of the same opinion that Hughton should be given the opportunity to prove his worth in the PL rather than being replaced in the summer by some big named bozo as you appear to favour! Anyway, stick and stones and all that. Did make me giggle though.

Aberdeen were a good team, I admit. However, I wouldnt put them in the same quality as MU or playing in a league as the same quality as the 1st division.

Liam Here in Australia at Victorian Premier State League level A couple of players I have coached in the past are now playing in England

Macca The situation is not totally different ; Dinnis was Gordon Lee's coach and Lee was poached by Everton in January 1977, just as NUFC were in the running for a UEFA place after reaching Wembley under Lee the previous season. Whatever Lee's faults he had succeeded in motivating the side to exceed expectations over 2 seasons and the players were in favour of keeping Dinnis as his replacement. It wasn't only local lads who wanted Dinnis either because Geoff Nulty and Alan Gowling(as well as Tommy Craig)were vocal in his support. Lee left because he was unhappy with the support he had received from the board after selling Macdonald to Arsenal, and stated that he thought the next manager would have to be 'a pretty strange kind of guy' (which we eventually got when McGarry arrived!). However, faced with unrest the board backed down and appointed Dinnis - they also bought a player (from Hibs, Ralph Callachan)just as Wise & co did by taking over transfers before KK walked out - so they took the easy option just as Ashley did with Hughton. OK, so Hughton has succeeded in getting promoted whereas Dinnis got Newcastle relegated, but there is no certainty that Hughton will do any better in the Prem than Dinnis did in the top league simply because his players 'like' him. OK, maybe there haven't been players giving as vocal support in the Press as they did for Dinnis, but the existence of a so-called 'Committee' and the fact that Nolan was so free with his comments about the manager indicates that the players feel they can discuss such matters freely - would you get Arsenal or Man U players talking about Wenger or SAF so openly ? I doubt it.... What I(and any reasonable person on here)am saying is that we just DON'T KNOW if Hughton can do it in the Prem ; he is not proven there just as Dinnis wasn't, but hopefully, he WILL be given a decent transfer fund to back his attempts to keep the club up....if he does get the money and we stay up, all well & good - if we struggle badly, then he will be judged as any other manager would be. Yes, I well know the Lee/Dinnis/players history. My point is that Hughton managment ideals appears to be modern day approaches by using player influences to get the best out of them. As a coach, it is something I have done myself in the past and found it to work. However, what is evident is that whilst players can put forward their ideas, it doesnt necessarily mean that they have the final say. In fact, quite the reverse. Hughton is the manager and listens to all before deciding what is best for the club. By the way, the point about Wenger and Fergusoin is interesting. If you have setanta sport, you will get access to MUTV and in many interviews I have watched where players past and present have admitted having input into the decisionmaking by the management at the club. I do not see that as a bad thing as long as management take on the ideas they puit forward in line with their own ideals and tactics.

Merlin The situation with Hughton now is vastly different to the Richard Dinnis appointment. I remember very well, the three local lads, speaking to the press and pushing Dinnis's name but there has not been a hint of this type of anarchy this time around. No mention of player strikes etc etc etc. Furthermore, Dinnis was caretaker at the time and Hughton is an appointed manager receiving considerable backing in the media from his players for a job well done.

Agreed.............good post unlike the panic stricken, tunnelled vision, unrealistic and appathetic posts of some on here. Not mentioning any names of course..........LOL

Re Keegan, check my post above. Re Hughton in the PL..............even someone with as limited ability to understand as you would have to admit that the circumstances he took over as caretaker in the PL where the club and the players were at their lowest ebb would have some sort of effect on results. Players confidence, confusion, fans disatisfaction, pressure, injuries, owner's status, demonstrations, you name it, had such an effect on the club and the players that I doubt anyone could hyave come in and stabilised the club. This time around, he has virtually single handely built the club back up, management wise. He has got rid of the under performers and signed some players of his own who are enhancing the team. He will go into the PL better prepared with a squad totally backing him. CAN YOU SPOT THE DIFFERENCES??????????/ As for your assertion regarding the comparisons with Wenger and Ferguson, let me ask you this question. Had you heard of Wenger before he was surprisingly appointed manager of Arsenal? I doubt it because he was a total unknown, having managed in the J League. I seem to remember that Ferguson was apparently 24 hours away from being sacked as Man Utd manager until they beat us in the cup in the mid 80s. Before managing MU, he had limited experience albeit with a decent Aberdeen side at the time. Managers have to start somewhere. This is Hughton's opportunity and who is to say he will not be a success because we just do not know. However, Man Utd would probably not be the force they are today if they had sacked Ferguson and Arsenbal may not be the force they are today if they had not gambled on an unknown. GET MY DRIFT?

How about the perception among managers? Ashley'll be the one who sacked Sam Allardyce after giving him terrible support in the transfer market (postponing decisions forever), forced out club legend Kevin Keegan after not supporting him in the transfer market, hired an Irishman with unwashed hair, then made a profit in the transfer market with the club in a relegation battle, then sold everything that could walk during the next transfer window and only hired Chris Hughton when the transfer window was closed. And now you think it would be a wise idea -- f*** public perception -- to sack a manager who has done a good job considering the circumstances, so that Ashley could hire ... oh, Moronho? Who the f*** would want to work for the guy, apart from some absolute moron who spends all his time on football messageboards? Ronaldo You are just the type of person who would be the first to run when the going gets tough. No-one would want the likes of you alongside them in the trenches. If we sacked Hughton now, we would certainly be the laughing stock of the football world. People like Ronaldo can only see a minor part of the entire problem that exisited at the club. They dont know the entire story therefore their opinions should be taken with a pinch of salt. Furthermore, by sacking Hughton, what message does this send out to any interested managers, apart from SGE who is so desperate, he would probably manage Hartlepool United. We have been crying out for some sort of stability for years and just when we seem to be close to getting that, idiots like Ronaldo want to wreck it all. In the words of Captain Mainwaring...................STUPID BOY. First to run when the going gets tough? Just listen to yourself, man. Yes, I want to wreck to all. I'd like to see us appoint a manager with big league pedigree because i've had enough of the success derived from going to 24th place Sheff Wed and playing for a draw. Oh what a numpty you are? Big name managers have come and gone as failures at NUFC, with the possible exception of SBR. I suppose you want Dalglish, Gullitt, Allardyce or Keegan types back to f*** the club up again with over spending? Wenger wasnt a big name manager when Arsenal took him on. Neither was Fergie at MUFC and look what the board backing of these men has done for their clubs. Compare that to the continual chopping and changing at NUFC for big namers and it is p[retty clear to see to all that if something is in place and working, then dont change it. We have no idea how Hughton will fare in the premiership yet and only time will tell. He needs to be backed by all concerned with the club and sensibly financially but most of all, given time to ensure we survive and then progress, just like Wenger and Fergie. Finally, I am not listening to muself, MAN. I am listening to you, who clearly has about as much idea of what is required by the club as I have of the back end of the moon. You are a controversial poster who loves nothing more than by in the limelight on here..Sad case, sonny. HGowever, when all is said and done, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided it is. I must admit I was totally gutted at Keegan over spending and giving me my best years of supporting this team. My inclusion of Keegan was based more on his management and expectations financially wise from his last stint as manager rather than what he did in 1992 onwards which is ancient history.

I would imagine a lot of the southern press such as Louise Taylor, would be keen to see us back as their popular whipping boy subject esopecially as the likes of their precious London clubs (with the exception of WHU) appear to be doing well this season. I think we have the base already there to survive next season. All we really need is 5 sensible signings in key areas with PL experience or equivalent to ensure survival and progression

I think Burnley and Hull are certs. WHU and W

How about the perception among managers? Ashley'll be the one who sacked Sam Allardyce after giving him terrible support in the transfer market (postponing decisions forever), forced out club legend Kevin Keegan after not supporting him in the transfer market, hired an Irishman with unwashed hair, then made a profit in the transfer market with the club in a relegation battle, then sold everything that could walk during the next transfer window and only hired Chris Hughton when the transfer window was closed. And now you think it would be a wise idea -- f*** public perception -- to sack a manager who has done a good job considering the circumstances, so that Ashley could hire ... oh, Moronho? Who the f*** would want to work for the guy, apart from some absolute moron who spends all his time on football messageboards? Ronaldo You are just the type of person who would be the first to run when the going gets tough. No-one would want the likes of you alongside them in the trenches. If we sacked Hughton now, we would certainly be the laughing stock of the football world. People like Ronaldo can only see a minor part of the entire problem that exisited at the club. They dont know the entire story therefore their opinions should be taken with a pinch of salt. Furthermore, by sacking Hughton, what message does this send out to any interested managers, apart from SGE who is so desperate, he would probably manage Hartlepool United. We have been crying out for some sort of stability for years and just when we seem to be close to getting that, idiots like Ronaldo want to wreck it all. In the words of Captain Mainwaring...................STUPID BOY. First to run when the going gets tough? Just listen to yourself, man. Yes, I want to wreck to all. I'd like to see us appoint a manager with big league pedigree because i've had enough of the success derived from going to 24th place Sheff Wed and playing for a draw. Oh what a numpty you are? Big name managers have come and gone as failures at NUFC, with the possible exception of SBR. I suppose you want Dalglish, Gullitt, Allardyce or Keegan types back to fuck the club up again with over spending? Wenger wasnt a big name manager when Arsenal took him on. Neither was Fergie at MUFC and look what the board backing of these men has done for their clubs. Compare that to the continual chopping and changing at NUFC for big namers and it is p[retty clear to see to all that if something is in place and working, then dont change it. We have no idea how Hughton will fare in the premiership yet and only time will tell. He needs to be backed by all concerned with the club and sensibly financially but most of all, given time to ensure we survive and then progress, just like Wenger and Fergie. Finally, I am not listening to muself, MAN. I am listening to you, who clearly has about as much idea of what is required by the club as I have of the back end of the moon. You are a controversial poster who loves nothing more than by in the limelight on here..Sad case, sonny. HGowever, when all is said and done, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how misguided it is.

How about the perception among managers? Ashley'll be the one who sacked Sam Allardyce after giving him terrible support in the transfer market (postponing decisions forever), forced out club legend Kevin Keegan after not supporting him in the transfer market, hired an Irishman with unwashed hair, then made a profit in the transfer market with the club in a relegation battle, then sold everything that could walk during the next transfer window and only hired Chris Hughton when the transfer window was closed. And now you think it would be a wise idea -- f*** public perception -- to sack a manager who has done a good job considering the circumstances, so that Ashley could hire ... oh, Moronho? Who the f*** would want to work for the guy, apart from some absolute moron who spends all his time on football messageboards? Ronaldo You are just the type of person who would be the first to run when the going gets tough. No-one would want the likes of you alongside them in the trenches. If we sacked Hughton now, we would certainly be the laughing stock of the football world. People like Ronaldo can only see a minor part of the entire problem that exisited at the club. They dont know the entire story therefore their opinions should be taken with a pinch of salt. Furthermore, by sacking Hughton, what message does this send out to any interested managers, apart from SGE who is so desperate, he would probably manage Hartlepool United. We have been crying out for some sort of stability for years and just when we seem to be close to getting that, idiots like Ronaldo want to wreck it all. In the words of Captain Mainwaring...................STUPID BOY.

Game on live here in Oz at 4:30am tuesday morning, following live showing of Forest v Cardiff. Missus is going to be furious with me as we are supposed to be going away early on tuesday morning to Phillip Island. Guess we will postpone it 24 hours..................LOL Might be divorce proceeding instigated, but what the hell

Are you staying up to watch it live over there in WA?

squeaky bum time

Shola the 4th NUFC player to hit double figures this season, if you discount Best of course.

Intersting to note that Barton has become our 18th individual scorer this season. Wonder if that is a record.

I'd shag the third and fourth sisters from the left.......................The others Dave can have

We were 2-0 down at Bristol City with less than 20 minutes to go and drew level, really should have won it too.

Mackems 1-0 up, Bent on 36 seconds

Cant see Chelsea losong this one. TYhey have too much quality and United have too many old farts. Gary Neville is pathetic. He wouildnt even get min Oldhams first team.

That Nolan felt the need to say this tells its own story. The question of Hughtons authority only needs to be clarified because of the big deal Nolan is making about the role of the players committee. I cant imagine Rio Ferdinand coming out and clarifying that when SFA wants something from the players he gets it, or to look at it another way, any player coming out and saying when the manager asks for something the players ignore him. The best quotes from Nolan were the stuff about him not wanting to be remembered as a legend and saying the club made big mistakes after our last promotion. It must have been ten years after our last promotion before the club made any big mistakes, unless you count regularly finishing in a European place and coming within a whisker of winning the PL. And before anybody wrongly accuses me of being somebody Im not, it was Nolan who had to drag up the last regime and its not my fault he was talking rubbish. Like I said earlier, a sense of delusions of grandeur underpins the sound bites. And this is definitely it for me until next season. NE5 indeed! Some are obsessed with NE5, or should that be infatuated and secretly desire to wrap their lips around his throbbing shaft while he talks dirty about Freddy Shepherd? What a load of unmitigated rubbish, pal. I think you need to take some happy pills. If ever I read someone clutching at straws, this is it. Anyway, what has SWEET FUCK ALL got to do with it all?