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Aye, fuck it: why even bother turning up?

Sounds romantic.

Ashley at training ground, announcing to the players that the takeover is done. Hughton in charge for SW game, Shearer to take up the reins on thursday. Taylor to stay, Barton and Collocini to go Campbell and Lvenkrands in Beckford in by next week plus three other signings already lined up. Carver and Lee to the club next week, Hughton to stay, Calderwood to go Can't name my sources, but it's nailed on.

Really.

Having said all that, we do still need to replace him.

20% of players in the Football League are black, but only 1% of the coaches are. Edit: at least that was in the case in 2007: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/6376121.stm

Yes the younger better one's are always cheap. I'm sure the manager will be straight on to it. younger, better than Damien Duff though. Could be an u-18 from Gillingham. In 5 years time maybe. We can then sell him on for our new best deal ever. Shall I spell it out for you? Because it seems necessary. 1. We can't afford his wages. 2. He doesn't want to stay. Welcome to big school. Shall I spell it out for you. If we carry on selling our best players - and yes, Duff was one of our best players - then we will be closer to relegation than to promotion. Mike Ashley CAN afford his wages, and he has no choice but to subsidise the club or he will lose even more. Do not expect me to be happy when we have saved Mike Ashley some money by weakening the team. Duff was one of our best players? PERHAPS Ashley can afford the wages, but I was under the impression he's trying to sell the club? If he's flogging the club to a consortium who can barely scrape together funds to pay for the club, do you think they're going to be able to foot the bill for Duff etc.? Regardless of all that, I couldn't give a fuck because I think Duff was shit, injury-prone, and one of the reasons we were relegated.

Yes the younger better one's are always cheap. I'm sure the manager will be straight on to it. younger, better than Damien Duff though. Could be an u-18 from Gillingham. In 5 years time maybe. We can then sell him on for our new best deal ever. Shall I spell it out for you? Because it seems necessary. 1. We can't afford his wages. 2. He doesn't want to stay. Welcome to big school.

The fact is, that Barnes hasn't got a PL job because he's done nowt to prove he's worthy of a PL job. Speaking on a purely individual level, he's got nowt to bitch about just because he has to work his way up for lowly Tranmere. The wider issue of having so few black managers in the game remains, however.

Then again, that's who I felt when we signed him for £5m :-[ Aye, but we'd just signed him from Chelsea when he looked a decent player. Don't Fulham supporters realise they just bought an injury-prone fuckstick who got relegated?

100% failure rate is STILL 100% failure rate Not quite actually. Paul Ince did well at first, and Barnes had some good ideas. With other managers, it always seems it isn't the "stars" that become great managers anyway. So maybe concentrating on footballers that have done well isn't the way for black managers. Like everyone else, its a case of getting their foot in the door. But with clubs under more pressure than ever, they have to be careful. "Noble experiments" are NOT at the top of the list. No idea what point you're trying to make here, tbh. Are you saying black managers must be shit because Paul Ince and John Barnes failed? Think about the dozens of managers in the football league: what percentage are black? Why is it such a low number? Look past the PL and consider why even at conference level there aren't more black managers. Given the proportion of black players in the game, doesn't it seem strange?

If Oba was too expensive for the Championship so was Duff. There is no counter argument. If you're happy to accept being in this division for a good few years, then you're right it was a good move. If you're hopeful of getting straight back into the Premiership, then I fail to see how this can be seen as a positive. If he is replaced at all it will not be by anyone half as good, so the team is weakened by this move. Aye, because all the other promotion-chasing sides have £70k-a-week wingers on their books, fffs. The only thing we have as an advantage in this division is our midfield. I agree, but I just don't think we need an hugely overpaid, underperforming, injury-prone player to aid our cause. We need good team players who are going to play 45 games. You think Burnley had a Damien Duff?

If Oba was too expensive for the Championship so was Duff. There is no counter argument. If you're happy to accept being in this division for a good few years, then you're right it was a good move. If you're hopeful of getting straight back into the Premiership, then I fail to see how this can be seen as a positive. If he is replaced at all it will not be by anyone half as good, so the team is weakened by this move. Aye, because all the other promotion-chasing sides have £70k-a-week wingers on their books, fffs.

Make me.

Sol is past his sell by date Premier level no doubt But re: Maldini - you don't seem to have noticed WE AREN'T PREMIER LEAGUE EITHER. Dropping down will give Sol a new lease of life for maybe a season or two. He's still Prem standard, maybe only just but more than good enough for where we are. I don't deny he could have a good season at this level, but comparisons with Maldini are futile as he was simply a one-off. I wasn't comparing Campbell with Maldini ability-wise, just using him as an example to show that some CBs in their late 30s can continue playing top level football if they keep fit and healthy. Yes. If they're Maldini.

But they've got to do it given the chance, and so far they haven't. TBF - theres been very few WANTING top be managers, and that won't help. Tbh, I have no idea how many black players have ambitions to become managers, and I doubt you know any better. As I said, it's more likely to be a complex issue rather than simple discrimination. To say they've been 'given the chance' is bullshit, tbh: you're talking about two or three black managers who have failed.

even if they werent so great Even if I can't remember any of them.

Don't worry, we'll find someone else to keep the physio table warm.

Buh-bye!

Sol is past his sell by date Premier level no doubt But re: Maldini - you don't seem to have noticed WE AREN'T PREMIER LEAGUE EITHER. Dropping down will give Sol a new lease of life for maybe a season or two. He's still Prem standard, maybe only just but more than good enough for where we are. I don't deny he could have a good season at this level, but comparisons with Maldini are futile as he was simply a one-off.

Ince and Barnes are a complete red herring though because they have been able to use their playing career to open doors. Where is the black David Moyes for example? I've had a think about the David Moyes example, could Jean Tigana be the David Moyes example ? Tigana was a helluva footballer though apparently. Hardly used his playing career to open doors over here though. The issue here is getting into the game. Not getting into another job when already established. Although must remember too though that Fulham don't have the typical chairman, so I don't think we can look at Tigana as a counter argument. But you're talking about one man here. There should be dozens of black managers. A black David Moyes, a black Chris Coleman, a black Gareth Southgate, a black Aidy Boothroyd, etc.

You don't need me to point out all the flaws in your logic here. yes I do, don't be so lazy. Well, for a start: he's not Maldini.

Yeah, I can't say its anything to do with racism, or whether there is some other issue going on here, but I think those saying that Ince and Barnes would get better jobs if they were any good are completely missing the point. Aye, ignore Barnes and Ince, ffs. The point is there ought to be plenty more black coaches than there are: AT ALL LEVELS. Why? I mean, simply statistically speaking. Considering the number of black players there are.

You don't need me to point out all the flaws in your logic here.

Yeah, I can't say its anything to do with racism, or whether there is some other issue going on here, but I think those saying that Ince and Barnes would get better jobs if they were any good are completely missing the point. Aye, ignore Barnes and Ince, ffs. The point is there ought to be plenty more black coaches than there are: AT ALL LEVELS.