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I didn't watch the World Cup (since I wasn't alive), but it's considered by many to be the most blatant cheated World Cup in history. Dan has his charm but he also has a point. There's tons of occassions and not once can I remember a fan complaining of gaining advantage.

Wat. Twas a stonewall pen. Read about it again now, and it wasnt until 2 days after that another camera angle of the incident that proved it was stonewall penalty came out. Until then it never looked like a penalty yet you all celebrated lile there was no tomorrow.

The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly. I ain't mad. Tbf I'll be impressed if someone blatantly cheats to put Brazil out of the WC and you still maintain this stance Like that's going to happen. Neymar is going to cheat everyone.

The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly. I ain't mad.

The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize. you're laughable man, honestly.

The fall was clearly caused by being pulled back by Baiano, and the ref gave the penalty for the shirt pulling. Fair enough, I'll have to look at it again. I'm acting a bit like SanToon did yesterday regarding the Dummett tackle so I apologize.

You a republic fan triggs? If so I assume you weren't arsed about Henry then? Yes and I was more p*ssed off at the referee than I was at Henry. The difference with the Suarez incident is that Suarez got punished and France didn't People unable to realize this, pulling all these different situations that are completely uncomparable. As for Rompe. I know there was a shirt pull, but that was analyzed at the time as having nothing to do with the fall. Flo actually throws himself at the ground when Baiano jumps above him, ref if I'm not msitaken doesn't give a penalty for shirt pulling but for pushing him down. Might be completely wrong, haven't seen these images recently but remember being loads of talk about it.

Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number. Yes, you plucked the lowest integer above zero as your hypothetical number. That has no subtext, does it? Gimme a break man. You're a junkie who is so invested in the idea that it's okay to cheat to win as long as referees apply sanctions, that you can't handle an opposing viewpoint without being patronising. Junkie? Right, I'll leave it at that. I've said I accept the the other viewpoint as long as it's true. History tells me something else though, and I bet that the day we win something after we've cheated our way to the final, you'll be staying home while the rest will be joining in celebrations. Good on you. http://www.businessinsider.com/espn-brazil-world-cup-posters-2014-5 Couple cool posters there.

You leave palnese alone. Sorry.

Also, hates Holland? I think there's far more footballing teams that I dislike than the dutch team tbh.

Why would I applaud him when I'm on the opposite side? You're not the most intelligent on here and I respect that not everyone can be, but to make assumptions out of the blue like that is ridiculous. I'm talking from the point of view where yourself got the decision in favour of you. Why in the name of god would I applaud someone else, I'm not applauding anyone, I'm just saying he did what was right for his team. It's the same way when Arbeloa pulled Neymar down in the last Confed Final, I was p*ssed becasue he wasn't sent off, not because he did what he did.

I do wonder whether palnese, who is of such high moral grounds, was happy to see Norway through the group in 98 when I think it was Flo who threw himself on the ground to get a penalty. Norwegian commentators were ecstatic and so was the people. But I guess it's a cultural thing.

Let's just completely skip the part when I said 1% was just a number.

I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as f***. (not aimed at you btw) Flip, you're missing the point. There truly is more of a culture of that sort of gamesmanship/cheating in Uruguay and, say, Argentina, than there is in the UK. Not to say it doesn't happen here, but you're calling us hypocrites by transferring your own beliefs onto us. I don't know how I'd react to an England player doing what Suarez did in that situation because, well, an England player hasn't done what he did, but I know for a fact that most fans on here don't share your opinion on cheating in football because we've had this argument before. There was a nice piece at the time of the handball which considered one argument - that Suarez should not be condemned because it was instinctive. The counterpoint was sure, his instinct was to cheat. Much as he instinctively pirouettes and screams under contact. I think you need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of English fans truly think that stuff is wrong. We really do. Leffe I don't buy it, sorry, but if it was your player doing it you'd be all lyrical. I'm not saying what Suarez did is right in the ethical sense, I'm just saying that what he did is what 99% of us would do ourselves or want our players to do in a situation like that. If some of you belong to that 1% then fair enough, you're better than most, but until you experience a situation like that and I see all of you being quite disgusted with qualifying and making petitions for you not to qualify as it's cheating I won't buy it. My soon 10 years on here I've seen a lot of decisions go our favour and us fans accepting it, many of these in meaningless Premier League games. Pretending like it's a cultural aspect rather than the fact that everyone wants to win at all costs is laughable. Steven Taylor did it and everyone found it profoundly embarrassing/disapproved. Leffe is spot on :lol: :lol: Yeah let's take the example where we're down 1-0 already in a meaningless PL game and compare it to the Suarez handball in WC stage where your nation has not been for I don't know how many decades. Also they scored, so we didn't take advantage from it.

Loathe Real reason why I say that is because I've never seen one fan of any team ever complain in a situation like that of cheating. Making it a cultural thing as some have done is ridiculous as one of the most cheated World Cup was in favour of England and I've not read of English fan staying at home pissed that it happened.

Did you know that 74% of statistics are made up on the spot? Well now it's 75%. Also, like I said none of you have probably come even close to that, but if it had been Shearer doing it when we were in the CL and it qualified not one of you wouldn't be cheering. (maybe leffe but just switch Shearer to whatever Spurs player there is). It's like when none of us would have an owner like Man City and now that we've got Ashley some would love to have one.

I think that's fair enough again, but do you genuinely believe that if we were playing a 2nd leg in the the CL and someone in our team did that and we qualified that you wouldn't celebrate like a madman? It's easy to say what's wrong and what's right when oneself has never experienced it before. '66 World Cup, I guess everyone in England were pissed at the way they won the World Cup?

Fair enough for the first part. 2nd part, what game was that. 3rd part, again, it's not a South American mentality, this mentality exists within players in every league in Europe. Is Spain, Italy, Germany all South American as well? Cause I've seen as much cheating from non-SA players as I've seen from SA players.

Rather than limiting yourself, why don't you make an attempt at actually writing something constructive like leffe did? Although tbf, I think you are in the 1% because I know your views on football.

Like I said, for me it's dubious but knowing him it's fully plausible. I just don't buy the fact that he searches for contact as he doesn't really see Dummett until less than a second before impact.

I'd say it was more the reaction that followed that made him an arsehole in that situation. Still, the World Cup will be worse off without him. Yeah the reaction of leaving the pitch basically in tears until Gyan missed the penalty. I'm sorry, but had it been Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Sissoko, Alan Shearer everyone on here would be applauding it. Hypocritical as f***. (not aimed at you btw) Flip, you're missing the point. There truly is more of a culture of that sort of gamesmanship/cheating in Uruguay and, say, Argentina, than there is in the UK. Not to say it doesn't happen here, but you're calling us hypocrites by transferring your own beliefs onto us. I don't know how I'd react to an England player doing what Suarez did in that situation because, well, an England player hasn't done what he did, but I know for a fact that most fans on here don't share your opinion on cheating in football because we've had this argument before. There was a nice piece at the time of the handball which considered one argument - that Suarez should not be condemned because it was instinctive. The counterpoint was sure, his instinct was to cheat. Much as he instinctively pirouettes and screams under contact. I think you need to come to terms with the fact that a lot of English fans truly think that stuff is wrong. We really do. Leffe I don't buy it, sorry, but if it was your player doing it you'd be all lyrical. I'm not saying what Suarez did is right in the ethical sense, I'm just saying that what he did is what 99% of us would do ourselves or want our players to do in a situation like that. If some of you belong to that 1% then fair enough, you're better than most, but until you experience a situation like that and I see all of you being quite disgusted with qualifying and making petitions for you not to qualify as it's cheating I won't buy it. My soon 10 years on here I've seen a lot of decisions go our favour and us fans accepting it, many of these in meaningless Premier League games. Pretending like it's a cultural aspect rather than the fact that everyone wants to win at all costs is laughable.