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Nah this isn't fun anymore, your boring me with your NE5-ness I'll make it really really easy for you, who said Kinnear was the right man for the job going forward? You've got to know something that specific, last chance.

Ok how many's rammed full , you can tell me that right?

Yes obviously, who believed in his system of Wise ect, believed his management choice was the right one to take us forward long term and believed he had done the right thing in backing them ahead of Keegan in January? Not just one person either, rammed full was the term you used.

It never happened man, not a few months ago. When he first arrived yes, a year ago when Keegan was still here yes but not a few months ago, you sure your not loosing track of time in that padded cell?

What?, I've posted loads of times backing him on the state this clubs in financially, its hardly a surprise like if you've been paying attention.

Yeah you already said that like. They don't exist man, your a loony toon, its all in your head!

Dave didn't support the system and management structure only a few months ago. Common name them, you ain't got the guts!!!!! I've supported Ashley on the financial situation, I still do.

methinks thou dost protest too much. Me thinks though doth exaggerate too much

Nah yous are crazy, are you lot talking about one particularly fat person when you say rammed full like? In fact, lets make it easy, name 5 people who fully supported his system and management structure 3 months ago. I dare yas!

Er ok I'm just trying to be fair on the forum, I'm not going to agree with you that the forum was rammed full of Ashley supporters if it wasn't. Stop exaggerating!

There will have been the odd person, but no way was it rammed full of people like that.

Were there REALLY though? Or are you confusing Ashley apologists with people who just don't condemn everything he's done at the club? There's no way this place was rammed full of people who believed in everything Ashley was doing only a few months ago.

I'd love to believe that's true, about having sounded out a credible manager to take over. However you just can't believe anything in the papers these days (or indeed any days really). Also we shouldn't just be sounding one out in case Kinnear can't come back, we should have hired him already! I mean what are we waiting for?, Lambias has said already that Kinnear won't be allowed to be manager until the last couple of games of the season. Are they going to wait until the last two games of the season and then hire another temporary manager just for those if Kinnear can't make it? I'd put nothing past this bunch of clowns.

You're entitled to your opinion of course. I agree with a lot of it apart from the final conclusion. We should not right this game off, we should realise that Spurs have a quite shocking record of being shaky against us and go for the win. If we end up losing then IMO we'll have lost yet another potentially winnable game.

actually yes, because it means you've either not watched us in the last 6 months, or have watched us and have no understanding of football or you've not watched spurs since feb or have and don't have enough understanding of the game to know they'll murder us Yes of course, I haven't watched Newcastle United much at all in the last 6 months and I musn't know much about the game because I disagree with the mighty mrmojorisin75 Did you just call someone else stupid and arrogant?, because your doing a fantastic job of that yourself. Form does not tell you everything about who will win a game, if it worked like that every team would always be in the same place in the league, form changes and there are also blips. Records between two teams can often have as much baring on a game as form. Also for the record I've never said our game against the Spuds is a dead cert win and I can't remember anybody else saying that. see my next post - the above is NE5-esque in its vagueness...of course we "could" win, any possible result can happen on any day a game is played I didn't say anything about "we could win", I was talking about how the record between two teams can often be as much of a factor in a result as the form of the two teams. If your think its vague that's your problem, pretty clear to me. To be honest the source of your disgruntlement is still quite vague to me.

There seems to be some confusion here. Again for the people not listening, I did not and have never said I'm 100% sure we'd beat Spurs. All I have ever said is its a game we should think of as winnable, as in a game we have a real chance of winning. I also haven't seen anyone in this thread claiming we're a dead cert to win, nobody's going to claim that against any team because no game is a dead cert, especially for us at the moment. History is a Football reason mate, and yes we all remember our London record which was finally smashed that night at Highbury. But until then it'd become a monkey on our teams back, because records get in your head. That's why I believe its a winnable game. Again that doesn't mean I think we'll definitely win, some people seem to take the work winnable to far.

actually yes, because it means you've either not watched us in the last 6 months, or have watched us and have no understanding of football or you've not watched spurs since feb or have and don't have enough understanding of the game to know they'll murder us Yes of course, I haven't watched Newcastle United much at all in the last 6 months and I musn't know much about the game because I disagree with the mighty mrmojorisin75 Did you just call someone else stupid and arrogant?, because your doing a fantastic job of that yourself. Form does not tell you everything about who will win a game, if it worked like that every team would always be in the same place in the league, form changes and there are also blips. Records between two teams can often have as much baring on a game as form. Also for the record I've never said our game against the Spuds is a dead cert win and I can't remember anybody else saying that.

You think records mean nothing?, I have to say that's extremely naive. Of course records are there to be broken as the saying goes. However players and coaches do take notice of such things and it can become a mental block. After all we haven't beaten Spurs 6 times in the last 3 years home and away because we've always had the best players and manager. To be honest calling people arrogant and stupid because they disagree with you is a little bit arrogant and stupid. I mean people weren't calling you names were they?, just disagreeing. Like I said I don't understand why you have so much resentment about it, but whatever lets just wait until we play Spurs before we start talking about who is right and wrong ok?

If I say I think our game against the Spuds should be seen as a winnable one because of how dominant our record is against them does that offend you?

Right so you said Spurs would demolish us and some people disagreed and said we'd beat them because we have an excellent record against them. Right ok that's a normal disagreement on a forum, what's the problem? We haven't even played Spurs yet so we don't even know the outcome and your gloating and acting like its a big deal. Did people insult you in these posts or something? I didn't in the post you quoted from me, all I did was ask you why you were so sure they'd beat us? I don't even get why you quoted me..

oh momma What on earth is your problem? You seem to be trying to rub people's noses in it because they disagreed with you on our chances of beating Spurs. Yet we haven't even played them yet Nobody I can see in this thread said we'd definitely beat them anyway, just that we have such a good record against them that we should see it as a winnable game instead of righting it off as a loss.

Wait, did we play Spurs and get beaten when I wasn't looking or something? Apparently I need to be 'outed' () because I think we could beat the Spuds?, why's that then? What makes you're view that we should right off our game against the Spuds anymore valid then my opinion that we should think of it as winnable? As for thinking we'd stay up easily, well I wouldn't go that far but I certainly didn't see us in the position we're in now. Having said that how on earth could I forsea Kinnear having to leave for months due to heart surgery? Don't know what you're problem is to be honest mrmojorisin75. Nobody's slated you, just disagreed with you, and you seem to think having an opinion other then yours is unfair

Yeah, to be honest I think when it comes to getting rid of most of our high earners we'd need to go the fire sale route whether we stay up or go down. Since nobody's going to give us good money for Geremi, Duff, Smith or Butt, we might get £4-5 million for the lot if we hold out for the best deals possible, so we'll likely end up giving all but Smith away and selling Smith for a few million. Barton's the only one we could possibly get good money for. Of course Viduka, Owen and Gonzales will be gone for free either way. I suppose really the fee's are pretty unimportant in comparison to the £30 million a year we'd save in wages.

He's got no reason to be bitter towards Allardyce, I've no doubt he wanted to leave as much or more then Sam wanted rid.

Don't be bloody silly man, he sounds bitter as fuck there. He even drags out that pathetic old "they think they should be winning things when they shouldn't because they haven't won owt for years" crap. The mans a plank, if anything we were too good to him here IMO.