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The manager who signed those players is gone though. We may have got him in on loan while Hughton was here, but did HBA not sign with us permanently under Pardew? I doubt he'd do that if Hughton was the sole reason for his arrival. Shh don't say that, by Wullie's 'logic' when a signing turns out good, it must be all to Hughton's credit. Don't you know Hughton is the next Mourinho...that's why he is now managing err...

He might think that he would go to Liverpool because they have just signed one of the best young strikers and he would be leaving a club which has just sold theirs. I guess the fact that they've also sold one of the best strikers in the world (even if currently off form) does not figure in your equation, easy if you want to be selective with facts And they replaced him with two signings. Both of who are a bit better than Shefki Kuqi. And if we replaced Carroll with Carlton Cole or somebody else grossly over priced you would still be complaining. The timing was s*** yes, we left ourselves short yes but i would rather have done that then end up with a pile of s**** player for big money just to appease the fans. Kuqi is a last resort, rubbish 'just in case' get over it he wont be used unless we have nothing else at all, why cant people see that? No don't you know we just gave Kuqi a 5 year contract and the number 9 shirt! If we didn't sign anyone people would complain that we are not doing anything for cover, now that we have signed him people are acting as if he's our new no 9...dam if we do dam if we don't

He might think that he would go to Liverpool because they have just signed one of the best young strikers and he would be leaving a club which has just sold theirs. I guess the fact that they've also sold one of the best strikers in the world (even if currently off form) does not figure in your equation, easy if you want to be selective with facts

British, apparently. Was a nice chat with La Marca apparently, so it would seem he approves of what they published. And they published something not a fantastic amount different to what the British press took out. How do you know what was published in La Marca? You understand Spanish? Why do you try to put a negative spin instead of just taking Jose's words as published on the website? Resolved in 2 minutes and 25 seconds. Good work Yup now at least we have a proper Spanish translation (thanks V.I.). We didn't when you posted your opinion though. Even though it clearly says in what you've quoted that VI posted that before 80 posted his? Oh well didn't see VI's original post, apologies then I did not read every single post in this thread

British, apparently. Was a nice chat with La Marca apparently, so it would seem he approves of what they published. And they published something not a fantastic amount different to what the British press took out. How do you know what was published in La Marca? You understand Spanish? Why do you try to put a negative spin instead of just taking Jose's words as published on the website? Resolved in 2 minutes and 25 seconds. Good work Yup now at least we have a proper Spanish translation (thanks V.I.). We didn't when you posted your opinion though. Regardless, my impression remains the same, that it is by far a foregone conclusion. First if we get some good players in and spend the bulk of that 35M, then we can persuade him to stay. He knows that we have a good spine (Barton, Tiote, Colo, HBA...etc). What he wants is a few key players in (strikers, maybe defender to partner Colo, RB?) and some backup for the squad. If we do another January window and sell any of the above players, then he will want to leave. Then it's a question of whether a better club can offer the right amount of fees + wages. Based on the Carroll example, one thing good about Mike is that he does not sell cheap, I reckon club would have to bid in excess of 10M for Enrique so even if he wants to leave, it's still not a foregone conclusion. I'm still optimistic.

British, apparently. Was a nice chat with La Marca apparently, so it would seem he approves of what they published. And they published something not a fantastic amount different to what the British press took out. How do you know what was published in La Marca? You understand Spanish? Why do you try to put a negative spin instead of just taking Jose's words as published on the website?

This is shit if true. How relaible are those quotes? Could they have been fabricated? I can understand selling Carroll for 35M, but we're not gonna crazy money for him. It's one area that I will assess Pardew on, whether he can sell the club's vision to our star players so that they don't leave in the summer

If you never learn from your mistakes, how do you evolve? It's not the job of people on here to point out other's mistakes. When they are proven to be wrong, like with Colocinni and Simpson etc, people admit to it. They don't need you and Crumpy bringing up posts that were, in this case anyway, arguably made in the heat of the moment anyway. Fair enough if it is an opinion that can change over time i.e. like saying Best was shit back then and now praising him after the last few matches. But if you come out with rubbish like I won't give even give Pardew a chance as manager, there is no scope to change your opinion later because you've taken a definitive (extreme) position, then you deserve to be shown up for your stupidity.

I can see your point but I think it's justified to show people up for their stupidity when they take an extreme view.

Yup particularly those who didn't even want to give a new manager, our new manager a chance...what a bunch of buffoon.

Think some people are overstating Woodgate's ability out of nostalgia. I mean he was good but to say that he changed our back four is going too far imo

and you make that conclusion based on?

Is this still the Jose Enrique thread...what happened?

No we can only score when Carroll is playing and now that the cunts have sold him...

Yeah right Wasn't me by the way, he might get one of the lower clubs or a club that is doomed to relegation coz the directors will hope that he can bring them right up just the way he did with us. Regardless, does not change my mind that he is not good enough for a club that wants to move beyond bottom 3.

spoke too soon I'm afraid , there something good in the saying that don't count your chicken before they hatch! :-[ Once again you read things I didn't even f***ing say. Very funny Dave, you might want to check out the meaning of the word "imply" or "allude"...when you asked "Who was it that said Hughton had no chance of getting another Premier League job btw?" what other meaning can there be? At least stand up for what you said man, we not school kids here.

So the manager is to blame for the poor finishing of his side, laughable. Why didn't he buy a striker? Because he wasn't given any money? Well he claims it was because he was so impressed with the ones we've got. Well after weeks of claiming that he was going to "bang on the door of the chairman", he was hardly going to turn around and say "Oh well, I'm a gullible b******. He didn't give me any money which is a shame, because all the strikers we've got are s***" Well after weeks of telling us Andy Carroll wasn't for sale, he sold him so that's an absolutely ridiculous point. Mick has made the point for me - why bring in an injured midfielder instead of, for example, Sturridge? Because the money was probably already earmarked for HBA and I doubt Pardew even had much of a say in it either. My point is, the blame for me lies squarely at the door of the boardroom. I don't blame Pardew for not signing anyone in the window. Like Hughton before him, he's just making the best of a bad situation. He's just an irrelevant puppet in this whole charade. I think his circumstances are totally different to those of Hughton. Not in terms of the transfer window. Hughton didn't get much money and most said 'he's just making the best of what little he has'. Pardew does the same and it's his fault. Hughton consistently used the limited resources he had to bring in players to improve the squad, both loan and permanent - Simpson, Routledge, Harewood, Williamson, van Aanholt, HBA, Tiote, even Fitz Hall. Pardew just ran round after players he'd seen on MOTD four years ago. That was across two Summer windows and a January. I'll judge Pardew when he's had three transfer windows. f***ing hell, three transfer windows? Is it impossible to improve on Peter Lovenkrands until you've had three goes at it like? The same Lovenkrands that Hughton did not improve on? or is your hero absolved of the wrongs that you accuse Pardew of?

possible, but that's strawman argument, you create it as a possible reason based on nothing concrete then argue against it. For the record I think Hughton was pretty decent in the transfer market, he just wasn't able to get those players performing against lesser opponents, an area that Pardew has greatly improved on (Stevenage aside) Eh? I didn't argue against anything. Where's this straw man you're on about? ok but I think it's kind of obvious (even more so after today's game) that Pardew is to be blamed for not bringing in a striker and that was before we even sold Carroll

Time to bring on Ranger or even Kuqi. Best and Loven are so wasteful!

possible, but that's strawman argument, you create it as a possible reason based on nothing concrete then argue against it. For the record I think Hughton was pretty decent in the transfer market, he just wasn't able to get those players performing against lesser opponents, an area that Pardew has greatly improved on (Stevenage aside)

Nope the simplest reason was that Hughton was likely gonna get us down, not good enough for the Premiership! Our form especially at home has improved greatly under Pardew not that you'd ever admit that!

Anything to have a go at Pardew

spoke too soon I'm afraid , there something good in the saying that don't count your chicken before they hatch! :-[

Kuqi is Carroll's replacement? Any info to back this up or you are just creating things as you go along?

Oh come on bloody hell. Hughton would never have let us go down to bloody 4-0 down in the first place. IIRC when he was in charge we BEAT the gooners 1-0 didn't even bloody need to comeback. I mean credit where credits due Pardew must have done a good team talk and well done for that. The match was unbeliavable and I loved it but still going 4-0 down is still very bad when compared to not conceding and winning 1-0 isn't it. Bolton away never happened in your world i guess. Yes it did happen but so did beating Aston Villa 6-0 and the Mackems 5-1. Yet to see results like that under Pardew. West Ham & Liverpool at home never happened in your world either i see. i could have beaten west ham on my own that night For your bullshit posting I will just reply that I could have beaten Villa whilst sleeping, don't have to post nonsense is you want to make a point