ATB

Got to love NE5. A couple of nights ago we were lacking ambition for signing Aimar, now we've got no ambition because we didn't sign him.

 

so which is it NE5?

 

I'm not a fence sitter myself, but it appears you're swinging your views back and forth as it suits. Please clarify if you've got the time. Thanks

 

just read his posts and it seems to me he's spot on - the ambition he refers to is to complete deals isn't?  he says something is wrong, ambition or whatever

 

woodgate, modric, aimar have all been moved for and turned us down to some degree so he's right, something is missing - whether ambition is the right word is neither here nor there

 

my opinion, however, is that a bid for aimar shouldn't be considered ambitious - we've just lost him to benfica if reports are correct, wasn't so long ago they were picking up our cast offs for nothing...

 

Or perhaps we were never interested in Aimar, Woodgate had already agreed to go to Spurs before Keegan came calling, and Modric was made to go to Spurs because the Mamic brothers could get a bigger slice of the cake.

 

so does that still make NE5 wrong then? 

 

and if we were interested in Aimar James?  just if, and he rejected us for benfica what does it say to you anything, nothing?

 

how long do we keep losing out on players before it becomes a pattern of failure and rejection?  this is ashleys 3rd transfer window by the way

 

i know one thing, if FS was still chairman he'd be getting torn apart by the people on here for signing a liverpool cast off and a "free" winger from mallorca

 

 

why?

 

FS didn´t get torn apart for the players we brought in (it was the managers choice, hopfully as we have heard otherwise). it was their method to bring them in.

 

so its Keegans fault then ?

 

 

yes. if he buy players that are shit

Everton haven't brought in anyone yet, and the player they are closest to signing is a 2nd choice keeper.

 

thats my point, the media should be writing about them. instead they turn to us. fantastic

 

Everton have a good team in the first place.

not good enough for not buying anyone and still compete in the top of the league and other cups. but this wasn´t the point. I think you know what I mean

Everton haven't brought in anyone yet, and the player they are closest to signing is a 2nd choice keeper.

thats my point, the media should be writing about them. instead they turn to us. fantastic

Total rubbish I know, but what's to stop it helping the other team at the same time? Are they going to ask the crystals only to unleash their fantastic power on players in light blue shirts only? 

 

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the media can f*** off.

 

all the negative fans can support Spurs.

 

We are going to win the league next season. We got Keegan. We got Martins. We don´t need Aimar or anyone else. Don´t care if we got the same team as last year. We finished outside top 10 and don´t understand why the media is giving a shit about us. They should write about 5th place EVERTON.

 

Aimar did the right decision. The english media is a fucking joke.

 

the media can fuck off.

all the negative fans can support Spurs.

We are going to win the league next season. We got Keegan. We got Martins. We don´t need Aimar.

Keegan needs to be there selling the club to new signings. I don't trust Wise etc to sell the club half as much as I do Kev. His passion is legendary and it rubs off on those around him. Get him in a room with a potential recruit and I think more often than not they'd end up at Newcastle.

 

Completely agree, and the board certainly deserve criticism if they're not implementing this and using his personality in the negotiation processes.

 

what do we know?

 

Nothing, which is why everyone has an opinion.

 

but still everyone act like they know. hate reading all this rumors. 31 august can´t come fast enough.

 

Well, it's fuel for everyone to, well, fuel their confirmation biases, isn't it?  Where there's an info vacuum, those who want to stick the boot into the board will see the lack of solid info one way, and that negative; those that don't, will put a postive spin on things.  Those in the middle will be confused, and no-one likes being confused so they'll probably seem a bit negative as well.

 

Schroedinger's Club, NUFC is.  One for all you physicists out there.

 

The truth is it's probably a bit of all these things, and the proof will only be obvious once we open the box (and August 31st comes around, like you say).

can absolutely agree with you. will always be like this and in every situation you are always able too decide if you are going to be negative or positive in a situation.

Take this with a huge pinch of salt, but still:

 

Just heard back from my contact. there is definatly a press conference on monday for 3:00. It is defo not a player signing. Maybe kk is off or ma is selling up

Posted by: tonny | 17 July 2008 at 06:50

 

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_soccerblog/2008/07/newcastle-targe.html

 

 

Daniel // Jul 16, 2008 at 23:13

 

I dont know the specifics of who’s list they were from, I just know what happened over the past few days. Everything was fine up until 4pm today when we decided to withdraw the agreed contract from yesterday. We had the fee agreed (7m in one go) but had a change of heart about 4 oclock today. I dont know if we were trying to reduce the wages a little bit more or what the logic was, but it didnt work and Aimars agent walked out. Big fail on our part. Same thing happened last week, met the release clause for inler, press conference arranged last thursday, then wednesday night we withdrew the offer

 

TT - I have 3 sources, all of which had this one. A friend who knows Llambias, someone from the press office and a journalist(Nicko? mackems.gif)

 

Daniel // Jul 16, 2008 at 23:36

 

Anth - they always pre book them to get the press there so tomorrows was for Aimar, ill text my mate to find out the crack for mondays

 

 

 

 

 

And we are supposed to believe anything of this after all that have happened this summer?

Keegan needs to be there selling the club to new signings. I don't trust Wise etc to sell the club half as much as I do Kev. His passion is legendary and it rubs off on those around him. Get him in a room with a potential recruit and I think more often than not they'd end up at Newcastle.

 

Completely agree, and the board certainly deserve criticism if they're not implementing this and using his personality in the negotiation processes.

 

what do we know?

 

We don't, and I'll remain positive until someone of note (ie not Alan f***ing Nixon) actually comes out and says we didn't offer Aimar enough money, Keegan wasn't involved, the club is a load of s***, lacking ambition etc etc.

 

Some choose not to.

Which we all know won´t happen. not now anyway. maybe in 5-10 years when Keegan release a biography or something.

Keegan needs to be there selling the club to new signings. I don't trust Wise etc to sell the club half as much as I do Kev. His passion is legendary and it rubs off on those around him. Get him in a room with a potential recruit and I think more often than not they'd end up at Newcastle.

 

Completely agree, and the board certainly deserve criticism if they're not implementing this and using his personality in the negotiation processes.

 

what do we know?

 

Nothing, which is why everyone has an opinion.

but still everyone act like they know. hate reading all this rumors. 31 august can´t come fast enough.

Keegan needs to be there selling the club to new signings. I don't trust Wise etc to sell the club half as much as I do Kev. His passion is legendary and it rubs off on those around him. Get him in a room with a potential recruit and I think more often than not they'd end up at Newcastle.

 

Completely agree, and the board certainly deserve criticism if they're not implementing this and using his personality in the negotiation processes.

what do we know?

Don't we have a club ambassador who was supposed to be selling the image of the club?

 

Where has Alan Shearer been when we have been negotiating these deals or non-deals?

 

The public deserve to know!

Well at Thursday he was in Sweden, Gothenburg, and was signing autographs, talking to fans etc under Gothia Cup. A big youth tournament he also has participated in.

getting about £25-30m in one year

Got to love NE5. A couple of nights ago we were lacking ambition for signing Aimar, now we've got no ambition because we didn't sign him.

 

so which is it NE5?

 

I'm not a fence sitter myself, but it appears you're swinging your views back and forth as it suits. Please clarify if you've got the time. Thanks

 

just read his posts and it seems to me he's spot on - the ambition he refers to is to complete deals isn't?  he says something is wrong, ambition or whatever

 

woodgate, modric, aimar have all been moved for and turned us down to some degree so he's right, something is missing - whether ambition is the right word is neither here nor there

 

my opinion, however, is that a bid for aimar shouldn't be considered ambitious - we've just lost him to benfica if reports are correct, wasn't so long ago they were picking up our cast offs for nothing...

 

EDIT: also meant to say in that last part about his career appearing to be on the decline as well, but forgot

 

The club has been on the decline since the appointment of Souness. What I mean by that is our league finishes have been largely s*** since SBR's last season in charge. Ashley, Keegan and co have come into this club well aware of the need to REBUILD its stature. No wonder players turn us down when they have witnessed the last 3 or 4 years of total shambles.

 

not disagreeing, but we've been this bad before and still managed to get the players we wanted - as ATB says by offering money basically

 

it still makes NE5 right, somethings missing, call it money if you want

so you mean FS´s charm lured the players to us and that Ashley hasn´t got the charm thing going that can give us the players we want?

I really hope these are smokescreens because f***ing hell some of these players are s**** to say the least.

 

Part of our problem is we used to throw money at players just to get them on board! That's not happening anymore so I guess most of our targets have thought, bollocks i'll get a payday elsewhere then.

 

I'm still hoping we can pull a couple of surprises out the bag but part of me feels we'll get 1 more average player and be no better than we were before.

 

If this happens and we are no better would you want another takeover?  Time will tell but this clubs been s*** for far too long

 

no...

 

Oh so you'd be quite happy finishing the bottom half each year?

 

hmm. who was the owner before? Were did we finished in the league? What kind of money did he throw at players and transfers? Did it worked?

 

What are this board trying too do? How long time compared with the board before have they got. Why do you believe we are less attractive now than five years ago?

 

What do you want a new (arab)board to do?

 

Think you're missing the point.

 

If this new policy by the club see's us no better off would you want a change to come sooner rather than later?

 

Ok not throwing money at players is a positive step but it can also be a negative one when you finished 12th and have no european football to lure better players that could move you up the league.  Sometimes you need to speculate to accumulate!

 

 

If we are left with most of the crap from last season with only an unknown argentinian and a liverpool reject as our top transfer targets then i'm sorry but I want answers.

 

 

 

 

You didn´t get my point.

Give it time. I can´t answear you before they have had a few seasons. Still. Has the money throwing helped the past few years when we have been without europe?

Got to love NE5. A couple of nights ago we were lacking ambition for signing Aimar, now we've got no ambition because we didn't sign him.

 

so which is it NE5?

 

I'm not a fence sitter myself, but it appears you're swinging your views back and forth as it suits. Please clarify if you've got the time. Thanks

 

just read his posts and it seems to me he's spot on - the ambition he refers to is to complete deals isn't?  he says something is wrong, ambition or whatever

 

woodgate, modric, aimar have all been moved for and turned us down to some degree so he's right, something is missing - whether ambition is the right word is neither here nor there

 

my opinion, however, is that a bid for aimar shouldn't be considered ambitious - we've just lost him to benfica if reports are correct, wasn't so long ago they were picking up our cast offs for nothing...

 

Or perhaps we were never interested in Aimar, Woodgate had already agreed to go to Spurs before Keegan came calling, and Modric was made to go to Spurs because the Mamic brothers could get a bigger slice of the cake.

 

so does that still make NE5 wrong then? 

 

and if we were interested in Aimar James?  just if, and he rejected us for benfica what does it say to you anything, nothing?

 

how long do we keep losing out on players before it becomes a pattern of failure and rejection?  this is ashleys 3rd transfer window by the way

 

i know one thing, if FS was still chairman he'd be getting torn apart by the people on here for signing a liverpool cast off and a "free" winger from mallorca

 

why?

FS didn´t get torn apart for the players we brought in (it was the managers choice, hopfully as we have heard otherwise). it was their method to bring them in.

Phil Brown after talking to Djimi Traore;

"I spoke to the player, and I was interested, but he made reference to wanting to stay in France," said Brown. "He said he would, of course, come to England if we were available as a second choice, but I don't want that kind of attitude. I want Hull City to be a player's first choice – and I didn't get that vibe from him."

Well the reason they not coming is because we don´t have the fat fred at the club that just give every player we wanted the kind of money they wanted. Luque said himself that it was the money that made him come in the first place. do we want too have it like this? PLayers that sit by their money and don´t care a shit about the club.

This show how much you can trust a newspaper

I really hope these are smokescreens because f***ing hell some of these players are s**** to say the least.

 

Part of our problem is we used to throw money at players just to get them on board! That's not happening anymore so I guess most of our targets have thought, bollocks i'll get a payday elsewhere then.

 

I'm still hoping we can pull a couple of surprises out the bag but part of me feels we'll get 1 more average player and be no better than we were before.

 

If this happens and we are no better would you want another takeover?  Time will tell but this clubs been s*** for far too long

 

no...

 

Oh so you'd be quite happy finishing the bottom half each year?

hmm. who was the owner before? Were did we finished in the league? What kind of money did he throw at players and transfers? Did it worked?

What are this board trying too do? How long time compared with the board before have they got. Why do you believe we are less attractive now than five years ago?

What do you want a new (arab)board to do?

I really hope these are smokescreens because f***ing hell some of these players are s**** to say the least.

 

Part of our problem is we used to throw money at players just to get them on board! That's not happening anymore so I guess most of our targets have thought, bollocks i'll get a payday elsewhere then.

 

I'm still hoping we can pull a couple of surprises out the bag but part of me feels we'll get 1 more average player and be no better than we were before.

 

If this happens and we are no better would you want another takeover?  Time will tell but this clubs been s*** for far too long

no...

is anyone knowing what player we are taking about? were can I read this?

Try & put our best 11 down on paper & it is scary.

No. All fit

Given

Beye Faye Taylor Enrique

Jonas Butt Geremi/Milner

Martins Owen Viduka

Good team me think. just a couple of more player and then

Good for him and us. You got to love Roeder. hope he can take ameobi too

b

Why would we take a youth player from Pool play him get him experience and then they will take him back. Take someone else permanent.