Mick

I'm not expecting everybody to tell the truth 100% of the time, I just don't expect those running our club are going to consistently lie to us, that's not too much to expect.

I'm not sure anybody is expecting him to be a special case, lying to the fans is wrong and it doesn't matter how many others do it, it's still wrong.

In an ideal world, yes.

What has he got to do with this?

And that makes it right? Just because others have then it's OK?

Indirectly.

And?

Our club owner admitted that he'd lied to the fans.

It's still fairly damning that an independent tribunal branded them liars.

Aye, he always says that.

How many are proven and admit to it?

We brought Ireland in on the same day as we sold Carroll and he's not fit to play either.

Why?

Try to talk him into staying instead of throwing the towel in.

What was wrong with trying to talk him out of it instead? I know that he said he would look at the contract in the summer which was probably right, I don't see anything to suggest that we did enough to keep him.

Pardew told him to put it in writing, not forced but suggested.

I was laughing that Andy was repeating what somebody else had posted earlier.

Hughton was judged after 16 league games.

Football is subjective, results aren't. When can we start to measure progress by using the league table?

I know that he did and that's the one clear chance that I said he'd missed.

I agree with that but we have to measure performance and doing so in any other way is subjective.

I know and we chose not to do anything about it, I don't see that as a positive.

We've only started playing through the middle since Shola was injured, we don't know what will happen when he comes back and we have the option of just hoofing it again.