Kitman

I'll come dressed as an exclamation mark to emphasise your point. bluebigrazz.gif Seriously though, your campaign needs to BUILD UP to a protest. Get it noticed first and the culmination of it is protests. Trying to arrange one for this Thursday will result in a crappy turnout. I think you and your sandwich board could be the difference between success and failure tbh bluebiggrin.gif

Lee Clark does the work of 20 men tbh. It's nice to see he's apparently progressing rapidly as a coach. This time next month he'll be a coaching genius No one puts the cones out quite like Clarky.

Lee Clark does the work of 20 men tbh. It's nice to see he's apparently progressing rapidly as a coach. This time next month he'll be a coaching genius

Waddle is a mackem! I'm not sure what kind of reception he'd get either. He is totally unproven in the Premiership and was terrible at Burnley. I wonder if the Crankies are available?

Or nobody else wanted the job knowing that if he got off to a bad start the crowd would want him sacked. Have you ever thought that could be the reason we ended up with the likes of Sounees and Roeder as our manager Where's the SA in samag? If you're posting from abroad telling the fans that attend the matches that they're to blame for recent managerial appointments, then as far as I'm concerned you can **** RIGHT off. Fight ! Fight ! Fight ! Gemmill versus the rest of the world ! Where's that bloke from Canada gone?

I'm increasingly thinking the club is run along the same lines as the FA in Mike Bassett: England Manager Fred to Roeder outside his office "If you need anything Glenn, anything at all, just pop it down on a piece of paper and slip it under my door". Roeder "But I did that in August like you told me....and you never did anything....did you not get my note about the defenders we needed?" Fred looking shifty "Errrrrr, no Glenn, I'm a very busy man you know, lots to do, calls to make....". Roeder "Hang on a minute, look here under your mat, there's notes here from all sorts. There's one from Kenny Dalglish asking for a new striker! And there's one from Gullit calling Shearer a bastard! And look there's one here from Sir Bobby - actually this seems to be a grocery list?....." Fred forcing the door shut "Cheers well all the best Glenn, keep me posted won't you?"

Is he not the man charged with coaching these defensive blunders out of them then? I'm pretty sure that's his job. If he didn't think he could coach the mistakes out of the player then his job is to replace them. However you want to look at it, he's FAILED. mebbe "How to coach defenders" was the bit of the coaching badge he didn't pass ? I think he may have skipped the "how to sign defenders" bit as well

As usual there will be no plan B, beyond a desperate phone call to Shearer when the short list's been whittled down to Lee Clark, Ron Atkinson and Dave Basset.

what I am saying - is nobody forces anyone to go and spend money supporting the club. Long term supporters will tell you that when the club was shit, nobody did !!!!! [well not so many as now...] Also fairly obvious is that nobody has forced you to go, not even yourself. So - if you are not happy with spending money on a shit club, keep it in your pocket. Watch NUFC play in europe on the telly. Its true that nobody forces anyone to buy the shirt from the club shop, or anyone to attend the games there is a distinction between supporting the club and the board. I don't agree with a lot of Freddy's decisions or motives and truth be told would love him to be replaced. However, even if he were to be chairman until I die and we got relegated I would still buy the shirt because I support the club and am proud to show my colours so to speak. There is a clear distinction between supporting the club and the board, you can do one without the other nobody supports the board. Everybody supports the club. The point is, they are supporting the club because the board has gave them a club worth supporting . If they didn't do that, people would stop going. Some people may not understand this or like it, but its true. When the club wasn't worth supporting, people didn't support the club, other than the hard core supporters of 15-20,000. As HTL says, replacing the current board with another unambitious one like pre-1992, would be a disaster, and the odds on that are heavily in favour of that rather than them being better. That doesn't make people "shepherd lovers" as Gem and his ilk laughingly say, only realistic. You can of course ignore the view of someone who has been there, and think you know best if you like - and that is not aimed at you specifically. So it's better the devil you know? Is that the crux of it? Give me names of people who you guarantee will run the club better than the 5th best in the country over a decade, showing ambition and desire to take the club upwards, and I will go for it. If you can't, don't expect me to back people who may take the club back to days when they settled for bottom half of the league positions, due to selling our best players, and buying cheap replacements. That is the crux of it, if you don't understand that, then there is really nothing else to say to that will cure your extreme naivety. It's quite amazing the amount of people who simply don't attempt or read or understand factual information. If you think playing regularly in europe, is the "devil", then you really are a sad case, and not living in the real world. Are you sure you aren't a dumb manu supporter, thinking you have a divine right to success bluesleep.gif :roll: A straightforward question really, so there was no need to come out swinging at me. You should follow HTL's lead, who actually makes perfect sense without the aggro, rather than acting like a care in the community nut job bluebiggrin.gif. Since you're fond of putting words into people's mouths and assuming what they think, I'll do the same for you: 1. You're happy with the current board 2. This board is massively better than pre SJH boards 3. We're better off with this board than with someone else Agree with point 2, I don't think anybody disagrees. Regarding point 1, they've done well in the past but could do better imo. Regarding 3 well that's a matter of opinion, not fact and the past is irrelevant to the question. So no need to post your stock facts about Europe, league position etc thanks :winking: No, I can't suggest anybody to take over but that's hardly a sensible question is it? How many people could have come up with the names in the Magpie group? Doesn't mean there isn't somebody better out there does it or that we should aim to do better? Of course they could easily be worse, nobody's saying they couldn't be & any regime change involves risk - again, I can't see anybody arguing with you. You prefer to settle for what you've got; other people want somebody else to have a go & do better. That's perfectly reasonable actually. Funnily enough, I respect your opinion on this, even if you respect no-one else's.

what I am saying - is nobody forces anyone to go and spend money supporting the club. Long term supporters will tell you that when the club was shit, nobody did !!!!! [well not so many as now...] Also fairly obvious is that nobody has forced you to go, not even yourself. So - if you are not happy with spending money on a shit club, keep it in your pocket. Watch NUFC play in europe on the telly. Its true that nobody forces anyone to buy the shirt from the club shop, or anyone to attend the games there is a distinction between supporting the club and the board. I don't agree with a lot of Freddy's decisions or motives and truth be told would love him to be replaced. However, even if he were to be chairman until I die and we got relegated I would still buy the shirt because I support the club and am proud to show my colours so to speak. There is a clear distinction between supporting the club and the board, you can do one without the other nobody supports the board. Everybody supports the club. The point is, they are supporting the club because the board has gave them a club worth supporting . If they didn't do that, people would stop going. Some people may not understand this or like it, but its true. When the club wasn't worth supporting, people didn't support the club, other than the hard core supporters of 15-20,000. As HTL says, replacing the current board with another unambitious one like pre-1992, would be a disaster, and the odds on that are heavily in favour of that rather than them being better. That doesn't make people "shepherd lovers" as Gem and his ilk laughingly say, only realistic. You can of course ignore the view of someone who has been there, and think you know best if you like - and that is not aimed at you specifically. So it's better the devil you know? Is that the crux of it?

It became that, when you decided to argue with factual information. However, the opportunity is still there to prove otherwise, so justifying your "opinion" I might as well be arguing with a creationist. You just sidestep arguments and bring up others that have no direct relevance to the core issue, play the 'facts' card and claim victory. Personally I think you regard yourself as a better fan for supporting the current shower in charge at NUFC against the masses of those that disagree with you; you're more faithful, longer-serving. Well done. Have NUFC declined, consistently, since the days of SJH/Keegan et al? Apart from a brief reawakening under Bobby Robson, yes, we have. More and more money spent on less and less return. Apparently no-one's truly responsible for our decline as we have no divine right to be better, and if you weren't around when football was played between Chinese villages with a pig's bladder on a stick than you don't know how good you have it now. "The masses" don't disagree. This forum is not representative of the match going supporter. Are you sure about that? I don't know many fans that I talk to that go to the match that have that high an opinion of Shepherd. Everyone I know that goes to the match thinks the bloke is an incompetent. Ok, perhaps you're right and it is the masses then. Let's face facts here, to make progress the clubs needs revenue and needs to get people through the turnstiles, nowt wrong with that. Post-1992 we see regular crowds of over 50,000, yet for decades before that we often saw crowds of 15,000 to 20,000 hard-core supporters who went to matches through thick and thin. Perhaps it is only those people who understand what a shit Board really looks like? Gemmill, Do you think that someone who believes a successfull attempt to replace the current Board might result in the club ending up with an unambitious Board means they believe, "Fred is great", "everything is fantastic", "I'm happy with mediocrity?" If you do, I can assure you that it's not true. Nobody is saying those things. It's a good thing that expectations have been lifted by the current Board, but it's dangerous to allow those expectations to cause people to ignore the past. It seems there are a lot of people on here who believe the past to be irrelevant, they automatically treat with disdain those who mention the past. Well, the past of the club is very, very relevant and it always will be because that's where the lessons are. Nobody is saying the current Board is the most talented, and it may well be they have taken the club as far as they can, but they should be recognised for how far they have brought this club, and it should be acknowledged that replacing them with better will not be easy. We would all take a group of people replacing the current Board that are better than the current lot, a group of people who would show ambition, who would strive to take the club forward. Yes, we'd all take that, for sure. I imagine NE5 would take that more than most on here, if the truth be known. Let's face it, and the younger people won't want to accept this, but those of us who have witnessed the decades of true mediocrity are more desperate for success than those used to top 4 finishes, those used to top quality footballers wearing the black and white, players who fall short at the last hurdle by not performing to their true level in cup finals. Yes, the disappointment is huge, but let me tell you this, you don't become immune to these things, you don't become immune to the frustration and the disappointment, it just gets worse as the years go on and you become more desperate for success. However, I can also tell you that it is better when the club is trying to be successful than when it is happy with bottom half finishes. That is a Board settling for mediocrity whether they are competent or not. By ignoring the past people have the mistaken idea the club has always been ambitious, that it has always tried to win things, that is has always spent the money that comes into the club on top players to play in the black and white because they have to spend it. Have to spend it!! No, they don't. The reality is they don't have to do any of these things, they do it by choice. Those of us who have really witnessed the club under previous Boards know it is not that simple to improve on the current one. I believe it is far, far easier for the current Board to be replaced by people who would not show ambition and who would take the club back to the days I don't want to see again. Believe me, nobody would want to see those days again. For those of us who really have seen those times of a poor Board, it's a very scary thought. That's an excellent post imo

It's like those Japanese soldiers who're found in the jungle, still fighting years after the second world war's ended bluedead.gif

:roll: obvious - FACTS versus Keegan bandwagon jumping bilge

"Patriotism is the last resort of a scoundrel".

Agree with that & Gemmill's comment. The right manager would change everything. NE5's right in that the physical infrastructure's there, although whether we are as competitive in our scouting/academy/coaching/medical set ups as we should be, I don't know. But it's not as if the stadium and training facilities give us a real edge over the top clubs is it, cos they have these things too. My biggest bugbear with the board is that they never seem to plan ahead in terms of succession, and the manager that would suit the club and the players and the football we want to play. Our style of doing things seems to be a) leave things till the last minute b) have no clue who you'd like to appoint once you've sacked the manager c) restrict the candidates available by lousy timing in sacking the previous manager d) have no idea who may be available or want to come here e) don't speak to anyone or sound them out at any stage f) wait for the CVs to come in so they can make a decision g) fluff the appointment and then start at a) again. I feel the chances of a Wenger style appointment are zero in that the board seem to have no insight into what makes a top appointment, don't plan ahead, and are now seemingly blinded by their prejudices about foreign managers. I have zero confidence in the board to make a top class appointment, I think they are too small time in their outlook and lack genuine insight into what makes a football club successful. Incidentally I think this is common amongst most football clubs & I don't expect us to displace Man Utd or to win trophies. I do expect us to show some improvement from year to year however, whereas I think we have been going backwards for some considerable time despite spending an awful lot of money. We can't keep buying our way out of trouble as an answer to our problems. I totally understand NE5's viewpoint, and agree with it to a certain extent, the frustration is that I feel our club should do so much better than it does, with the resources and talent that it has, and just cos it was shit in the old days doesn't make me feel any better about it.

Roeder in need of remedy for Newcastle’s dire rear David Hulott -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Hulott is a Football Consultant to a couple of major bookmakers.... [full biography] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "what Roeder is left with defensively - Steven Taylor; Titus Bramble; Celestine Babayaro; Stephen Carr; Peter Ramage; Craig Moore and Olivier Bernard. For a club with top four aspirations, that is simply not good enough" If one accepts the conventional wisdom that successful teams are built from a solid defensive base then, with almost three months until the transfer window is prised open again for business, Newcastle United manager Glenn Roeder must either be coming from a completely different school of thought, or else he must be enduring some sleepless nights of late as he lies awake pondering how to navigate the next dozen or so games with the defenders currently at his disposal. The defensive frailties at the club were patently obvious last term, so it is difficult to comprehend why nothing was done to address the problem over the summer. Indeed, the situation is now even worse, with Jean-Alain Boumsong moving to Juventus in the transfer window without being replaced. The departure of the French centre-back was never likely to result in mass protests on the streets on Tyneside, but the club’s inability to replace him in what was already a problem area is perplexing in the extreme. It can be argued that getting £3.3 million for a player who rarely convinced during his time in England was good business (even if they did make a hefty loss on him overall), but the sale looks less prudent when one considers what Roeder is left with defensively - Steven Taylor; Titus Bramble; Celestine Babayaro; Stephen Carr; Peter Ramage; Craig Moore and Olivier Bernard. For a club with top four aspirations, that is simply not good enough. Apparently there were unsuccessful bids for Jonathan Woodgate, Lucas Neill, Zat Knight and Robert Huth, but the transfer window was open for long enough for them to have done far more than the last-minute deal to bring in the out-of-contract Bernard, in a move that smacked of desperation. It also has to be questioned as to why they failed to attract the aforementioned defenders, with the likelihood being that Freddy Shepherd was far too concerned in wooing the likes of Damien Duff and Obafemi Martins to worry about a little thing like have a defence worthy of the name. Glamorous signings are all very well, but not to the detriment of the squad’s overall balance. The recent long-term injury to Shay Given has only accentuated the problem, with Roeder now having to rely on perennial bench-warmer Steve Harper to cover for the excellent Irishman. To Roeder’s credit, his team has yet to be on the end of a mauling this term, but perhaps that is at least partly due to the fact that Newcastle are increasingly having to make sacrifices further forward in order to bolster the midfield in front of the fragile defence. The current situation is also likely to be a steep learning curve for young Taylor and Ramage, both of whom will hopefully come out the other side better players as a result. Despite this, Roeder’s priorities still appear to lie in attack, having recently stated that, "By the time of the transfer window we have to be in a position to bring in a striker with power and presence", with reference to the news that Shola Ameobi is set to be sidelined in the New Year. Ameobi certainly offers a physical presence that will be missed, but with Martins, Giuseppe Rossi (probably on his way back to Old Trafford in January) and Albert Luque all available and the likes of Duff, Kieron Dyer, James Milner, Charles N’Zogbia and even Antoine Sibierski all capable of helping out on the attacking front, it does seem surprising that the defence seemed to be almost an afterthought, with Roeder going on to add, “We want a striker and we are looking for a defender too.” A defender? Just the one? That sounds less than encouraging. Roeder will attract criticism from some quarters, but he has actually done a sterling job under the circumstances, with the main fault surely resting with the board. Few can seriously believe that the manager has free rein over the comings and goings at St James’s Park, with the transfer policy seemingly largely governed by Shepherd. Until the club are shot of the current board, it is difficult to see them making the progress they are undoubtedly capable of. With the recent rejection of the £91 million offer from Belgravia Group (the Jersey-based investment group), it seems that Freddy and the dreamers will be in residence for a while yet. David Hulott 6 October 2006 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From Squarefootball.net. David Hulott obviously hasn't been listening to NE5.

"When I retired, it wasn't because I was crumbling physically like Ian Wright or Gazza, it was because I was a complete and utter mentalist who was too fecked in the head to play anymore. Since then I've been sat on my backside doing sod all so I'm in perfect condition to play, even though I'm at the age when most top players retire. I'll be a big asset to any club, me, in fact I'm going to need help dealing with all the offers rolling in from top top clubs. Now if you'll excuse me, it's time for my medication" :roll:

Atleast your toe is neutral, and neutral is never stupid. And good news, the blister has popped. TT's big toe for Chairman! We've already got a toe rag, we may as well have the toe rimshot.gif

I don't think we'll be at risk of relegation

like a fly to NE5 ? Macbeth This thread is GOLD. Worst thread ever imo

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Roeder's caretaker period was extended by the FA because the England selection process was interfering with our own. If Roeder was our choice, how would the England selection process affect us and why would we get that extension as a result? I'll believe the Roeder thing when it's announced by the club and not before. This board has been full of the same thing on this issue that Alan Oliver's always been full of. I don't think anyone has a clue who our next manager is.

A bit of realism wouldn't go amiss here. We don't have a divine right to demand the best managers in the world, we're not even one of the top 4 clubs in England. For all we know we may have asked all the best managers available and they said no. Roeder might the best available and is a darn sight better than the Curbishleys of this world imo. Personally I'm waiting till I see the club's press release. This site's been full of rubbish about the next manager for weeks and months!