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Na it's genuinely not but I also understand how ridiculous it is. I don't take defeat well. I think my fear is that we have these amazing CL nights and ruin it by fucking finishing 10th?. It's irrational, I know.

Liverpool loss has taken the gloss off this, for me.

Also, don't forget the players themselves are culpable. Howe will be furious at their lack of savvy.

Few views on this... Firstly, of course it's OK to say "I think that sub was wrong", "I think he should have made changes sooner" or "I think he should have started x player". I don't think anyone thinks this isn't OK to discuss. Last season, around the city away game I was open in saying I thought he waited two games too many to bring Maxi, Isak and Murphy into the side. I think loyalty to certain players cost us.... however I also "got it", sometimes you have to show loyalty. Its a fucking tough job. However, I don't think any of this is what we are REALLY talking about. We are talking about the post defeat knee jerk apocalyptic types. The ones who jump straight into the thread by slating Miggy or Burn, despite neither having a bad game. Slating the manager for not doing what they wanted, despite it not being absolutely clear that what they wanted would have helped. Everyone is captain hindsight. I'm sure Howe will look at the Liverpool game with regrets but he'd be mental to beat himself up. The great thing about Howe and the reason I love him so much, is that he's not the finished article... he will never be the finished article. He's his own biggest critic. That's why I wouldn't change him for the world. I guess my own thought is that I'm in dreamland with this manager and the mere insinuation of a world without Eddie Howe pisses me off. Its short-sighted, reactionary and just not the Newcastle United I want to be. I've no doubt that with Howe at the helm we will continue to improve long term but there will be some bumps along the way, so just relax, take the defeats on the chin and get behind the lads.

In hindsight, something simple like swapping Isak and Gordon would have been killer. Isak would have given TAA a terrible time and Gordon would have had the hustle for the defenders.

It's genuinely the most gutted I've been, when that second went in. Wish we were playing tommorow.

Calm down man. You are just noising off because we lost.

We played Man City. When Man City are 1/3 of your sample size, stats will be skewed.

Made 5 tackles. Just checked before calling you out on talking shit.

Read my post in the match thread.

Spot on. Have to be a right cunt to join another forum to gloat. They are proper rattled by us.

Yeah don't bring up Hillsborough. Bring up Heysel.

I'm not quite sure what's going on but Gordon being our star and Bruno being criticised is not what I was expecting 3 games in.

Right, I've seen very little reasoned response to yesterday's game, so I will attempt it... Firstly, let's remember where we have come and where we are going. Should we have beaten Liverpool yesterday? yes, could we have? yes. We dominated the game, even before the 10 men. We had seen out the early fight in the first 10 minutes and taken the game to them mainly through Gordon and Miggy. Once we were ahead, we could have easily been 2 or 3 up, likewise they could have got a goal themselves. We were the better side though...... However, we weren't playing a Brighton or a Villa, we were playing Liverpool. What I mean by this, is that not only were they arguably the best side in the world two years ago but they are also the one club who fights to the bitter end, lives for a great escape and has experience of playing in hostile atmospheres. They were never bothered by the noise, the flags, the occasion etc. Like it or not, you don't win 6 CL trophies by being afraid of away grounds. We need to learn this. The reason I mention this, is because there was a severe lack of game management, especially once we were winning the game. The reason Klopp hates us, is because that's what we are good at; slowing the game down, professional fouls, winding their players up etc. Once we were winning, we stopped all that and IMO that's what has killed us. We showed last season that at the very high level, sides have incredible threat, even a man down. We can criticise Howes substitutes but why shouldn't he expect Longstaff to replace Tonalis running or Barnes to offer a similar threat to Gordon? It was only two games ago that many of us had them two starting versus Villa. For me, the main critique is our clear lack of understanding of trying to see out the 3 points. We didn't need to go chasing the game. We had the game. How was there so much space in behind? These are much bigger questions than the substitutes. If we are being honest, we do really have to look at Isak and asked why he couldn't get into the game. Wilson will start vs Brighton. We also need to ask why Bruno gets caught out once every game.... especially at a time when we needed a calm head on the ball (who better than Bruno?) My advice would be don't go being critical of Burn or Miggy when Isak was missing or Bruno cost us a goal. You can't just look after your favourites. On the bright side, we did dominate Liverpool and we were OK away at City. We also have a gem in Gordon and bundles of talent on the bench to arrest any future problems. A very bad day at the office, but it's fine margins in high quality games. We need to remember how to manage games again. It's time we stopped making Liverpool the enemy, we were our own enemy yesterday.

I've been positive about the lad but jeez, yesterday he was absolutely brilliant, beyond even my expectations.

Find. Someone. To. Criticise.

So Hope was right.

Clamming for some early team news.

I think the big difference is that any slump that may occur can be snuffed out much quicker by making changes to the starting 11. We've practically a second 11 capable of similar levels to the first 11. Dubravka Livramento Lascelles Murphy Hall Longstaff Anderson Willock Murphy Barnes Wilson In many ways, extra games might be a good thing for this side. It's more opportunity to galvanise momentum through tweaking the line up.

Let's fuck these up the ass, then in the minge, then the mouth and then up the ass a couple more times.

Wat

I feel the same way I felt against Villa this season, Man United or Spurs last, nervous but confident.

Fair play to them, Spurs have looked decent. It doesn't half help when Bournemouth have allowed Maddison the freedom of the vitality stadium mind.

Said it before but I'd be shocked if Targett is still here come September. Without him we have; Burn, Hall, Livramento and Trippier (and Dummett if we are feeling suicidal) who can all play left back. You don't always get a choice on the best time to cash in on a player. If we get a good offer now, he's gone. I wouldn't let him leave on loan unless it's an obligation to buy. If we get 12m+ I think we sell and it may free us up for one more. ?

Weird this. Luton are giving Chelsea the freedom of the park and Chelsea could win this 5-0 but Chelsea look shite as well, can hardly keep the ball. Chelsea have too much quality and the result isn't really in doubt but Chelsea have looked average.