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Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so. So you lads would hate to be hypocrites but are happy to continue to support sportswashing of murderous regimes using your own football club? nice one. At least you're not hypocrites. Hows that hypocrisy? No one is advocating supporting the Saudi regime. I'm saying that going to football match is no more supporting the Saudis than say, filling your car full of petrol or any number of other activities.

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well. This is the crux of it. We can do nothing, and shouldn't want to, to affect change in the lives of the Saudi people. All we can do is petition our own government to stop assisting. Hard to do that when you're celebrating in a top that advertises their business interests. Others have protested for years about our relationship with Saudi Arabia. It's a key partner in the middle east, I suspect that no government would give that up for strategic reasons. Most western governments will look to change Saudi from outside, rather than sanctions or military threat. To an extent it is working, SA are moving forward albeit slowly. Like I say I'd like to learn more.

Wasnt there a BBC doc about Saudi Arabia, "house of Saud," or something? I'd be interested in learning more, to tell you the truth.

You have the right to speak out against the Saudi regime and not attend NUFC matches anymore - thats the extent of your power to change things unfortunately No it isnt. He could lobby the government, lobby the PL around the morals of foreign ownership and any number of other things. Whether he chooses to do that is entirely up to him. It's ok to dislike the Saudi government and also want your club to do well.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. My argument isn't righteous indignation against the world, it's the Saudi side of things, you can't say it's close to home so you will be outraged by this but not about UK Government arms sales, usage of petrol, uber, Twitter, lyft, Snapchat, Deezer, the list goes on, all in use over here and I'll bet most of you if not all have used something on that list. Again, I want to reiterate I'm not defending the Saudis and I'm not saying this is ok, but I'm not about to jump on my moral high horse and vilify NUFC and boycott when I can finally reconnect when I regularly use Twitter, petrol, etc.. and have never been vocal about government involvement. My personal opinion is that I'd be a hypocrite to do so.

I'm all for protesting about the Saudi regime but that starts at Parliament square, not at SJP and by all types of people, not just football fans. ... and for every journalist who writes a story on it, let's see whether their other political views are aligned the same way or whether they are hypocrites politicising football. Politics and Middle Eastern politics even more so, is incredibly complex m. It cant be explained in a couple of enlightened sentences on a football forum, nor can it be changed by one politician.

Actually you can, and absolutely everybody does. I care more about the morality of the NUFC ownership than I do the Uber ownership. I care more about the wrongdoings of the British state than I do the wrongdoings of the Tajikistan state. Campaigners who dedicate their lives to combating domestic violence care more about domestic violence than they do climate change. No human can possibly dedicate the same level of investment into each and every moral outrage. Picking and choosing is the only option, and if you reject that then you're arguing no-one should ever express any sort of moral concern about any act, which would be perverse. So you can pick and choose? Thank fuck. I choose to ignore Saudi oppression and instead concentrate my concerns on why my local kebab shop has ramped the prices up by 50p in a year.

Anyone get the feeling Martin Samuel has played a blinder. Sat around his desk showing the interns how to get clicks?

Aye I bet you are Mr Misery. Not an iPhone, chinese made item or t shirt made by a 9 year old anywhere near your house. Proper Ghandi.

depends on how comfortable one is calibrating their moral compass by the british government tbh You have a point.

Hes not said alot wrong there. I think what annoys me is the concentration on sport. If this journalist has a portfolio of articles on Saudi Arabia and how our government deals with them, then I suppose hes earned the right to talk about it. If his first article on the Saudi regime is related to the owning football clubs, then hes kind of missing the point. I think he's an intelligent Lad and knows all about Saudi Arabia but he's a football journalist...truth hurts doesn't it. Out of the frying pan and into the fire we go... The truth doesnt hurt me whatsoever. :lol: Like I say, our government can deal in arms with the Saudis but I cant enjoy some football which is partially funded by them? Na, fuck off.

Hes not said alot wrong there. I think what annoys me is the concentration on sport. If this journalist has a portfolio of articles on Saudi Arabia and how our government deals with them, then I suppose hes earned the right to talk about it. If his first article on the Saudi regime is related to the owning football clubs, then hes kind of missing the point.

You lot are a bunch of weirdos. The mood switches in here like a lass on her rag. If a takeover wasnt happening Ashley would have quashed it ages ago man. Especially since his favourite thing in the world is disappointing Newcastle fans.

Bottom paragraph is basically what most journalists have been saying. Discussions have already gone on. I suspect the club will see a DOF as a priority before manager.

Is Hope not one of the only ones who been critical of Bruce recently? Is he not the one who had a clash about ASM? Hope isnt going to tow the party line for Bruce. If hes been told Bruce is being kept on for a bit, I'm sure it's the truth. I dont trust Hope at all. The French guy has more contact and even last week he called this takeover. He said Rafa comes I trust him more than the local Journo's. Is that not because it's what you want to believe? I think Rafa will return too, just not on day 1.

He might get a few games but hes not getting a transfer window under new owners. That would be a quick way to burn money. Why even few games. There are no games until June. Bring Rafa and let him sort out the mess this guy created. Because sacking everyone you dont like on the first day is a terrible business plan. If they are going to do it properly they are going to use the knowledge of the people on the ground, so they can get acquainted with the day to day stuff before wielding the axe. Common sense.

Is Hope not one of the only ones who been critical of Bruce recently? Is he not the one who had a clash about ASM? Hope isnt going to tow the party line for Bruce. If hes been told Bruce is being kept on for a bit, I'm sure it's the truth.

He might get a few games but hes not getting a transfer window under new owners. That would be a quick way to burn money.

Makes perfect sense for any new owners to buy themselves time. We dont even know what fixtures will be played at this point, or when transfer windows will open and close. Everyone under the sun knows that Bruce will be sacked once they have got their ducks in a row.

Top four, that's all I want. Do what we have to do. The day I hear that theme tune at SJP again is the day when I truly fall back in love.

Not without expanding on the 'prefer if he didn't' bit Hes a great manager and he would be good for us again but if I'm honest I would to see someone with a touch more attacking intent.... what am I saying, fuck it bring Rafa home.

On the first sentence, I suspect we all have reservations, no matter how small. Normally takeovers dont get dragged out in public and fans only find out when it happens. When you think about it, they cant really say anything until the inks dry. What if they announced a takeover was happening and it fell through, however unlikely that is? All parties would look stupid. The first statement from MA will be some bullshit about him selling for the good of the club.

2-4wks Reckon it's a week in.

I dont think I can stomach getting into bed with these scumbags.... I mean, I'm ok with the Saudis but Staveley and the Reubens are Tories.

In simple terms?