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Gary speed had a bid accepted for him behind his manager's back. If a bid is accepted for you, you go. Simple as. It's a pride thing, it's a money thing. The only time I've seen a player reject a chance to move to a better club was kaka, and that was because he was uncertain about city.

Transfer request was pr for Ashley. Carroll agreed for £££ and because at that point he had probably made up his mind.

Bottled dog, he handed in a transfer request because it was a condition Ashley set.

Op Nut, if he really wanted to leave he would not be making any ridiculous assumptions about what Ashley may or may not accept. His agent would be a complete idiot if he allowed that to happen. Neesy, you haven't answered the q: why did he not hand in a transfer request earlier in the window if he really wanted to leave? Why hand it in now? And the money shit doesn't fly because everyone knew he would get more money yet he came out yesterday an said he wanted to stay.

Carroll's not worth 35m anyway. His game on the ground is still very average so unless liverpool plan on lumping it long he'll have to significantly improve to be able to contribute. If he does then he's a mega star, easily worth 50m. But he could easily drink his way out of fitness and end up as a massive flop. But anyway, he's not worth 35m today. Potentially, yes. But not today. Not even to us. If the money is invested wisely, we'll be a much better team in a year.

Let me ask you this: if he wanted to go, why hand in a transfer request today? Why not hand it in ten days ago when he could have had the best clubs in the world lining up to buy him? Did he get his head turned by the money today? As if, man. Everyone knew how much more money he would have made if he left. His agent probably had a duty to tell him this. Yet he still came out and said he wanted to stay yesterday. Why do that if you have any intention of leaving? He didnt want to leave. Lfc agree a few with Ashley, Ashley tells Carroll. Carroll wanted to stay yesterday but how do you think he reacted to finding out the bid was accepted? What, you think he cries his eyes out and begged to stay? Get fucked. He's a confident lad who is in supreme form and wanted by every big club in the world. He knows this. Do you think hes going to care that ashley thinks nufc will be better off with the 35m. He says fuck you, your loss and talks terms with Liverpool. Ashley knowing that he could kill the morale in the squad, insists that Carroll hand in a transfer request. Carroll knows hes getting his wages tripled so he's not bothered about the loyalty fee. At this point, he's as good as gone. Maybe he's concerned about burning his bridges in newcaslte, but a confident young sportsman doesn't fret about this shit. He thinks he's going to a better club, going to be paid more and will have a greater chance of getting glory. So he agrees, and the news comes out. 15 minutes later the terms have already been agreed and he's on his way to Liverpool.

He'll have been paid enough money and signed enough agreements to not come out and set the record straight. Then fuck him, why would you wan't to keep a player happy to sell his soul like that. Because that means that he's no different to 99% of footballers in the world, and he's an excellent footballer and will be hard to replace. I would sell, anyway, but not now. We should have agreed everything and signed all the papers but transferred him over in the summer.

It seems that some people like to have debates on things that no one is disputing.

If Carroll hasn't handed in a transfer request then we'll find out. I think he's handed in a transfer request, but he didn't push this deal through. It was all done before. The transfer request is just to complete the PR shit.

I'll ask again, why would Carroll go along with it? Or is that too naive of a question for you to answer? Money up front. Agent pressure. Who knows. Exactly. How come everyone is so eager to believe the official line in this story? Look at all the major things that have happened to this club over the past 3 years, look at the official line and tell me that it's been an accurate narrative of what actually transpired. Look at KK's firing. Look at the Milner s***. Look at Hughton's sacking. Look at Pardew's appointment. For f***'s sake, Golfmag had posted that it was planned for weeks in advance, yet the official line never mentioned it. Ashley might seem dumb but he's not. Because Andy Carroll handed in the transfer request, Andy Carroll is on his way to Liverpool to discuss terms. Yes we probably could have done more, but the suggestion that the transfer request was anything other than Carroll having his head turned is madness. He ultimately made the decision to leave, not Ashley. Yeah, and we seriously considered appointing Martin Jol before settling on Pardew. I don't disagree that he wants and is probably happy to leave now. I disagree with the official sequence of events, and I disagree with the reason that people believe he handed in a transfer request.

He'll have been paid enough money and signed enough agreements to not come out and set the record straight.

Quoting this for everyone who has eaten up the official line today.

I'll ask again, why would Carroll go along with it? Or is that too naive of a question for you to answer? Money up front. Agent pressure. Who knows. Exactly. How come everyone is so eager to believe the official line in this story? Look at all the major things that have happened to this club over the past 3 years, look at the official line and tell me that it's been an accurate narrative of what actually transpired. Look at KK's firing. Look at the Milner shit. Look at Hughton's sacking. Look at Pardew's appointment. For fuck's sake, Golfmag had posted that it was planned for weeks in advance, yet the official line never mentioned it. Ashley might seem dumb but he's not.

I'll ask again, why would Carroll go along with it? Or is that too naive of a question for you to answer? I've answered that question about ten times in this thread. £££, and the feeling of not being wanted, saying fuck you to Ashley, confidence in his own abilities etc. These are all things that would affect him more than 'oh noes, I'm going to alienate some people who I never interact with in my daily life, oh my life is going to end!'. Like I said, he can afford to come back to Newcastle. He'll have a house to stay in, he'll have friends to spend time with. If he was jeopardising that, then he'd probably not go. He just might have to avoid partying in Newcastle for a bit, until this whole thing calms down. I bet if he actually comes back a few times and is seen out in the town, people will get used to it and the fuss will die down.

Oh f*** off. How many people is that you've directly insulted over the last couple of days? ... Still as long as the cuntish magic word isn't typed. He's talking bollocks man. I'm sick of the "I'm sat up here on my high horse. Oh you naive little fools, how wrong you are and right I am" attitude. There's no proof that it was a PR exercise, other than sayso and rumour. As far as the official line goes, we rejected a bid, Carroll handed in a transfer request and so we had to go back and accept the Liverpool bid. How many times has the 'official line' been proven to be absolutely false, though? Ask yourself that, and then ask yourself how everyone involved in this whole transfer saga comes out smelling like roses to the people they want to smell like roses to, and surely you have to be somewhat suspicious. If you're not, like I said, you're incredibly naive.

Especially when handing in a trasfer request would effectively bar him ever returning. Unfuckingbelievable. It would bar him from partying in Newcastle. Boo fucking hoo. As if that's a big fucking deal. His family will still love him, his mates will still be mates with him, and I bet you that's going to be the case. And no one will give him shit when he's shopping for groceries in Tescos. Look if I ever felt uncomfortable returning to Newcastle it would be absolutely devastating to me, but I did not say that. I was talking about returning to the club he says he loves. Why would he choose to rule that out? He's not. Some of our fans are quite fickle. You think if we start challenging and Liverpool hang around the top 6, their new owners leave and now all of a sudden we make a bid for him, he's going to say no because he's afraid to come back? Or that this scenario is ruled out? He'll be the white knight, coming back to help us go to the CL and win some trophies. And him returning is such an unlikely scenario. The probability of it happening is so miniscule that he'd be an idiot if he took it into consideration during this whole business.

you're not going to criticise carroll for being part of the plot to mislead nufc fans, then?? He's not the mastermind. But you a gree with the theory, so that means you believe carroll sold out NUFC fans for a bit of money. No shit. And it's not a 'bit of money'. It's a huge sum. And it doesn't jeopardise his relationship with the people that he actually cares about. You think Carroll gives a fuck about the average football fan? Come on, this is not a movie.

this. Not this. They did not reject the transfer They did. How ? Before the muppet handed in his request. They didnt reject a transfer, they held out for a higher price That is you fitting things into your conspiracy theory. That is basic common sense ffs. If someone has a massive amount of money coming in & is desperate for something you own, you dont accept the first offer they give you. Dont be simple. They were silent all day & made no attempt to come out to state he wasnt for sale atall. They kept inviting offers, explain how they didnt. They rejected a transfer, Carroll clearly tapped up by Liverpool put's in transfer request forcing Ashley's hand. NUFC then accept the next bid, as they want to try to get replacement in ASAP. You are Ashley's favourite fan. He must wish every Geordie was as naive as you are. Aye, and I bet your one the people that believe ashley has made money while at NUFC. Fact is Ashley showed some ambition by signing Ben Arfa this month when he didn't have to. How much? I'll transfer £100 to the server account right away if you can find proof. If you can't, you do it. Well he bought the club for £125M. Has take on £100M worth of debt and Loans. Has put in £20M for each for the last 3 seasons. What the fuck are you on about? Are you drunk? £100 for you to find proof that I'm 'one of those people who believe that Ashley has made money at NUFC'. Yes or no? If you can't, transfer £100 into the server account.

Especially when handing in a trasfer request would effectively bar him ever returning. Unfuckingbelievable. It would bar him from partying in Newcastle. Boo fucking hoo. As if that's a big fucking deal. His family will still love him, his mates will still be mates with him, and I bet you that's going to be the case. And no one will give him shit when he's shopping for groceries in Tescos.

you're not going to criticise carroll for being part of the plot to mislead nufc fans, then?? He's not the mastermind.

this. Not this. They did not reject the transfer They did. How ? Before the muppet handed in his request. They didnt reject a transfer, they held out for a higher price That is you fitting things into your conspiracy theory. That is basic common sense ffs. If someone has a massive amount of money coming in & is desperate for something you own, you dont accept the first offer they give you. Dont be simple. They were silent all day & made no attempt to come out to state he wasnt for sale atall. They kept inviting offers, explain how they didnt. They rejected a transfer, Carroll clearly tapped up by Liverpool put's in transfer request forcing Ashley's hand. NUFC then accept the next bid, as they want to try to get replacement in ASAP. You are Ashley's favourite fan. He must wish every Geordie was as naive as you are. Aye, and I bet your one the people that believe ashley has made money while at NUFC. Fact is Ashley showed some ambition by signing Ben Arfa this month when he didn't have to. How much? I'll transfer £100 to the server account right away if you can find proof. If you can't, you do it.

At least 57% of the people on this board (who voted) have fallen for a classic PR exercise.

this. Not this. They did not reject the transfer They did. How ? Before the muppet handed in his request. They didnt reject a transfer, they held out for a higher price That is you fitting things into your conspiracy theory. That is basic common sense ffs. If someone has a massive amount of money coming in & is desperate for something you own, you dont accept the first offer they give you. Dont be simple. They were silent all day & made no attempt to come out to state he wasnt for sale atall. They kept inviting offers, explain how they didnt. They rejected a transfer, Carroll clearly tapped up by Liverpool put's in transfer request forcing Ashley's hand. NUFC then accept the next bid, as they want to try to get replacement in ASAP. You are Ashley's favourite fan. He must wish every Geordie was as naive as you are.

The Torres deal is done. There's no way the Carroll deal gets done before the Torres thing is done, or at least virtually so. The Liverpool owners have done good. They've actually managed to sell Torres and come out of the transfer window looking good. Unbelievable. Ashley will come out of it looking good as well, especially if we can sneak in a loan signing or two in the next few hours. They've got smart people doing their PR, I must say.

And Carroll's agreed personal terms. You think that took 15 minutes to do? IT WAS ALL DONE BEFORE.