Unbelievable

not in as many words, but it was obvious enough. we knew that we were going to be buying young, promising players instead of old, experienced ones wanting big contracts like the ones we're stuck with now. we all knew about this all summer. Load of rubbish.

I don't think I can see any quotes from Ashley there that are are that heinous or even particularly unreasonable in context. Things change, Kinnear drops a bollock or two, but lies and propaganda? Meh, I think you are crediting the club with a little too much intelligence and showing very little yourself trying to whip up outrage with some cherry picked (and at best tenuously connected) lines there Mr Happy Face. That's exactly the point; they keep changing the context, hence contradictions, half truths and propaganda.. That's putting it nicely as well. Some might say the supporters have been deliberately lied to in order to sell season tickets for three years in advance.

And look at the date:14/09/2008. That's after he'd shown his true colours. <-- that quote epitomises "the transfer system" that keegan apparently agreed with to come back a year ago. im still waiting for you or somebody else to show where he's said we'll spend our way up the league btw. No, that would have been this (contradicting one).. "The caliber of player we want to bring in is someone with a lot of Premiership experience or Champions League experience and they are in short supply. We are at a stage where we don't want to just bring players in to add to the squad, we want players who are going to be in the first team." Chris Mort 02/08/2007 The one you refer to is from after Keegan left.

http://www.toontastic.net/board/index.php?showtopic=22300&st=0

Cracking article. I think it's very significant that the local press are also making this point. Questions need to be asked and answered about our consistent unwillingness or ineptitude when it comes to bringing in the playing personnel required to fulfill the club's (and owner's) ambitions. Especially the point about the Arsenal setup is well made; we are a million miles away from copying their structure and success.

The club's actions or lack thereof initiated the events that led to this transfer don't forget. Had we done things differently then we'd not have had to sell him for any amount in the world.

If you want to look at moments, how about that "moment" against Blackburn where Carroll was it? Knocked one on to the Zog and he just stopped running for it. The one that Carroll put through so hard that Zog was never going to make it?

Anything under 10 million is derisory considering we sold our best player to a club throwing money around left, right and center.

Ok, fair enough.. Misunderstood your post. Apologies..

Would be nice if someone revealed it, just to make sure. Your point being..? When we agreed to let Given talk to City before agreeing a transfer fee I expressed my concerns about the wisdom of the decision as it would have a negative impact on our negotiation position. Different paper reports now suggest we have got a derisory fee for him. I can't validate these figures, but this is coming from various sources and there is no smoke without fire. I also know that if the fee reported would have been 15 million people like you would be praising "the system" for how well it negotiates for outgoing players. Is it inconceivable they fucked this one up RM?

Reality is our first team is now worse than it was in December. Of the £10M Kinnear allegedly was handed for transfers, the club have spunked a whopping f*** all, not counting profit from the sales of our best player and a whinging French c***. harper or given? given is better, although its a lot closer than some people think. nolan or butt, geremi, smith or the ever reliable barton? thats easy. lovenkrands or n'zogbia? a player who wouldnt have ever kicked a ball for us again or anybody? easy. taylor is very versatile and a decent player who'll add depth. if kinnear was handed £10 million then blame him if you're not happy. I've seen you made this point a few times already, but up until this week N'Zogbia was willing to play for us and arguably one of our few players capable of creating anything resembling a goalscoring opportunity, which is something you completely fail to consider..

OK, I realise people are pissed off, but why has the finances thread been forgotten? The club is losing £20m a season. How exactly is Ashely pocketing cash? It's not.. Just a paper "loss".. OK, Ashley is putting £20m a year in to cover wages. Better? Nope, we made a loss due to player amortisation. Means nothing in terms of cash flow.

OK, I realise people are pissed off, but why has the finances thread been forgotten? The club is losing £20m a season. How exactly is Ashely pocketing cash? It's not.. Just a paper "loss"..

I don't know if the fee banded around is true (if it is then that's disgraceful), but I do know the way we "negotiated" in this deal was always going to knock a few million of the transfer fee. You don't let a want-away player speak to a proposed club before they've offered a fee you're comfortable with ffs! Puts you in the shit when they come back to negotiate and there's no way back..

I see you're someone else who thinks we wanted to sell Given and Insomnia. I'm not defending the lack of players coming fwiw. No I'm not one of the mongs who thinks Ashley is asset stripping if that's what you're implying. But the fact that we had our money in our hands and didn't actually do anything about it is monumentally idiotic. I think the use of the words "asset strping" by the so called mongs is wrong. He is reducing the cost of running the club. I bet Given and Zog were on more money then Nolan, Taylor and Lovnkrands. It's funny how better players tend to command higher wages isn't it?

He's got a good case for constructive dismissal. Watch him walk out tomorrow and sue us.

Seriously doubt that. Me too.. It's gross incompetence rather than some ploy to destroy us.. Hardly makes me feel better..

is Taylor better than Duff on the wing? he certainly isn't better than N'zogbia. Horrible window yet again Really..a player from Bolton and one from wigan?? Shows how low our expectations are..buying off clubs around us.. Yep should have signed Lampard and Ronaldo. No one's asked for massive signings FFS Just an improvement on our squad I think we have done that. we have. but most people made their minds up months ago that we havent. In what way do you feel we've improved the squad? given wanted out and handed in a transfer request. little we can do about that. harper is a more than adequate replacement and is free. £6 million up + big wages gone. just a loss/a draw at best. n'zogbia WAS NEVER GOING TO PLAY FOR US AGAIN. lovenkrands WILL PLAY FOR US. £6 million up. win by default. nolan is better than butt, smith, geremi and is far more reliable than barton. win. taylor plays in many positions and is a decent squad player (squad depth innit). win. overall, improvement. not a huge one but an improvement. Every striker we have is carrying some kind of injury.. We only have two fit fullbacks ..... (I include Taylor in that) We have very little creativity from the middle of the park. There is no real pace in the team apart from Oba. Too many injured players, 17 year old untried kids on the bench. FFS man! we arent man city. we have essentially zero money so we weren't going to hugely improve the way most expected/demanded. But we did have money apparently two £8 mill bids knocked back. But we f***ed up so badly or intentionally that we didn't spend it. Hope we don't regret it come April if the money was there then surely kinnear should be getting it in the neck? he's been banging on about wanting money and his bidding for players for weeks. No fan of Kinnear but to believe he is in charge of deals with the present structure at the club is cloud cuckoo land. i think he is because (im fairly certain that) if he wasnt, we'd have done a bit better. But we did exactly the same at last years window under Keegan. Whose the commom link I wonder? keegan said he was happy with the squad at the end of the window. we cant argue with him. Sorry mate but that's complete bollocks. KK may have said that (can't remember) but you seriously believe it?? Why do you think he walked oot. im not going into all that but if keegan says the squad was good enough then who are we to argue? he always tells the truth. He also said Milner was not for sale and a couple of days later the Milner money would be reinvested in the squad. Seems like he was made to say a lot of things in his last week at the club, which might go a long way towards explaining why he walked..

Just you wait.. You might be "pleasantly surprised"..

Love the title change..

We have a winner.

is Taylor better than Duff on the wing? he certainly isn't better than N'zogbia. Horrible window yet again Really..a player from Bolton and one from wigan?? Shows how low our expectations are..buying off clubs around us.. Yep should have signed Lampard and Ronaldo. No one's asked for massive signings FFS Just an improvement on our squad I think we have done that. we have. but most people made their minds up months ago that we havent. In what way do you feel we've improved the squad? given wanted out and handed in a transfer request. little we can do about that. harper is a more than adequate replacement and is free. £6 million up + big wages gone. just a loss/a draw at best. n'zogbia WAS NEVER GOING TO PLAY FOR US AGAIN. lovenkrands WILL PLAY FOR US. £6 million up. win by default. nolan is better than butt, smith, geremi and is far more reliable than barton. win. taylor plays in many positions and is a decent squad player (squad depth innit). win. overall, improvement. not a huge one but an improvement. Every striker we have is carrying some kind of injury.. We only have two fit fullbacks ..... (I include Taylor in that) We have very little creativity from the middle of the park. There is no real pace in the team apart from Oba. Too many injured players, 17 year old untried kids on the bench. FFS man! we arent man city. we have essentially zero money so we weren't going to hugely improve the way most expected/demanded. But we did have money apparently two £8 mill bids knocked back. But we f***ed up so badly or intentionally that we didn't spend it. Hope we don't regret it come April if the money was there then surely kinnear should be getting it in the neck? he's been banging on about wanting money and his bidding for players for weeks. No fan of Kinnear but to believe he is in charge of deals with the present structure at the club is cloud cuckoo land. i think he is because (im fairly certain that) if he wasnt, we'd have done a bit better. What makes you so fairly certain of that? from some of the deals in the summer. if wise and co did do the most of the work in the last window then i think they'd have done a decent job in this window. So how does this system of ours work? Get in a good manager and give him no control over transfers so he walks out. Get an abortion of a temporary manager in, give him full control over transfers, watch him fail epically and hand him a contract extension?

is Taylor better than Duff on the wing? he certainly isn't better than N'zogbia. Horrible window yet again Really..a player from Bolton and one from wigan?? Shows how low our expectations are..buying off clubs around us.. Yep should have signed Lampard and Ronaldo. No one's asked for massive signings FFS Just an improvement on our squad I think we have done that. we have. but most people made their minds up months ago that we havent. In what way do you feel we've improved the squad? given wanted out and handed in a transfer request. little we can do about that. harper is a more than adequate replacement and is free. £6 million up + big wages gone. just a loss/a draw at best. n'zogbia WAS NEVER GOING TO PLAY FOR US AGAIN. lovenkrands WILL PLAY FOR US. £6 million up. win by default. nolan is better than butt, smith, geremi and is far more reliable than barton. win. taylor plays in many positions and is a decent squad player (squad depth innit). win. overall, improvement. not a huge one but an improvement. Every striker we have is carrying some kind of injury.. We only have two fit fullbacks ..... (I include Taylor in that) We have very little creativity from the middle of the park. There is no real pace in the team apart from Oba. Too many injured players, 17 year old untried kids on the bench. FFS man! we arent man city. we have essentially zero money so we weren't going to hugely improve the way most expected/demanded. But we did have money apparently two £8 mill bids knocked back. But we f***ed up so badly or intentionally that we didn't spend it. Hope we don't regret it come April if the money was there then surely kinnear should be getting it in the neck? he's been banging on about wanting money and his bidding for players for weeks. No fan of Kinnear but to believe he is in charge of deals with the present structure at the club is cloud cuckoo land. i think he is because (im fairly certain that) if he wasnt, we'd have done a bit better. What makes you so fairly certain of that?

is Taylor better than Duff on the wing? he certainly isn't better than N'zogbia. Horrible window yet again Really..a player from Bolton and one from wigan?? Shows how low our expectations are..buying off clubs around us.. Yep should have signed Lampard and Ronaldo. No one's asked for massive signings FFS Just an improvement on our squad I think we have done that. we have. but most people made their minds up months ago that we havent. In what way do you feel we've improved the squad? given wanted out and handed in a transfer request. little we can do about that. harper is a more than adequate replacement and is free. £6 million up + big wages gone. just a loss/a draw at best. n'zogbia WAS NEVER GOING TO PLAY FOR US AGAIN. lovenkrands WILL PLAY FOR US. £6 million up. win by default. nolan is better than butt, smith, geremi and is far more reliable than barton. win. taylor plays in many positions and is a decent squad player (squad depth innit). win. overall, improvement. not a huge one but an improvement. Fine, but are you asking why the bit in bold came to be? he said he was happy and wanted to stay a few days before his solicitor started pimping him around to richer clubs in that statement. weird, eh? You like ignoring things....like getting beat 5-1 in between those two occurrences. Weird, eh? 1 game made him completely change his mindset? after all those other games we've lost by 5 and 6's? last chance for a payday more like. Dave, when do we get this new ignore function?

Deja vu from the past two transfer windows under this clown of an owner..