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Also the second meeting KK and MA, MA looked fazed as he came out...I just wonder if MA only then began to realise what he was up against. For me it is sad it has got to this point and should really have been avoided. A carefully worded press release a couple of months ago and a quiet (undisclosed) pay off for KK would have been the way to go.

Dont be crazy. As if Ashley is thinking of 'hanging Keegan out to dry' after the reaction of the fans to him leaving. PR disaster. Turn of phrase which seemed appropriate as I was thinking back to their 'FACT' phase. If they're in the right, they should set about demonstrating it as clearly as possible so as to nullify that reaction you speak of. It still hangs over the club, we've lived through the PR disaster - I dare say it can't get any worse, as I think going forwards, things that are going to drive attendances down and generally upset the support are going to relate far more to their overall running of the club (appearing to seriously consider Kinnear the long-term manager of the club etc.). 'Out of court settlements' and silence are going to be for the worse, if they're serious about wanting to drive this club on with the spirit it possessed not so long ago. On a personal level, I agree with you. I dont think a lot of other fans would accept Keegan getting another fucking over from the club, nor do i think the club's hierarchy understands where some fans (the open-minded ones) are with regards to the whole debate. I might be wrong, but my judgement is most of those who would have a support-ending reaction to Keegan getting fucked already have done, though it might make some others feel temporarily sore again. Still, making a triage judgement, I also think it would make many feel less sore about the previous fucking - and for yet more, it would dispel some of the fog that has surrounded the regime's motivations since it all took place. People won't keep looking back to that period wondering what took place and whether it means the regime do or don't deserve faith over future matters. Agreed on your last point about the club not understanding. They seem to be consistently clueless as to what people want out of the club. Thinking about your ref to that FACT pr gaff. If as they maintained at the time they felt absolved, then why hesitate? Take KK to court and prove him wrong. If you prove him wrong you win back the good will of thousands at a stroke and save money.

Very selective. There is no plan for Kinnear to get a net spend of £30 million in the summer, regardless of the outcome of Keegan's settlement, and nothing that Llambias has said points to that happening. Have you been in the boardroom meetings recently then? Funny how we tend to believe the press when it's negative and not when it says something like that. It's a nonsense sentence. By that same token, we'll also be shelling out money for Luque et al from that 'Summer kitty'. Furthermore, it's the first time I've ever encountered the figure '£15m'. Just yesterday I heard Llambias, with my own ears, say '£5m to £10m a season' - a reduction on the original figure of £20m. Finally, regarding this figure's use, it assumes it all goes into transfer spending this Summer, not having previously been dipped into, nor earmarked for next January, nor - most importantly - spent on our apparently serious debts. There has never been any indication that Ashley intends to 'plough' this sum into the club's transfers while separately loaning it money for running costs. Indeed. If they're in the right, they should hang him out to dry for the good of the club, in my view. Like many on here I too would like to see what is in fact what.

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time. Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved. Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant. What was the change? Milner? No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea. This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record. The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time. There have been some hair-raising goings-on outside the castle at Elsinore. As the terrified Horatio and Marcellus look on, the ghost of the recently deceased king appears to Prince Hamlet. The spirit beckons Hamlet offstage, and the frenzied prince follows after, ordering the witnesses to stay put. They quickly decide to tag along anyway—it's not "fit" to obey someone who is in such a desperate state. In this confused exchange, Marcellus's famous non sequitur sustains the foreboding mood of the disjointed and mysterious action. And it reinforces the point and tone of some of Hamlet's earlier remarks—for example, that Denmark is "an unweeded garden" of "things rank and gross in nature" (Act 1, scene 2). When his father's ghost tells him his chilling tale in scene 5, the prince will realize just how rotten things really are in Denmark. Is that a quote from the proposed Skelbred transfer? Xisco and Nacho are in fact perfect metaphors for Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. ....and KK said unto them: "I will tell you why; so shall my anticipation prevent your discovery, and your secrecy to the king and queen moult no feather. I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth, forgone all custom of exercises; and indeed it goes so heavily with my disposition that this goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o'erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours. What piece of work is a man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals! And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust? man delights not me: no, nor woman neither, though by your smiling you seem to say so."

4-3-3 ftw.

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time. Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved. Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant. What was the change? Milner? No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea. This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record. The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time. There have been some hair-raising goings-on outside the castle at Elsinore. As the terrified Horatio and Marcellus look on, the ghost of the recently deceased king appears to Prince Hamlet. The spirit beckons Hamlet offstage, and the frenzied prince follows after, ordering the witnesses to stay put. They quickly decide to tag along anyway—it's not "fit" to obey someone who is in such a desperate state. In this confused exchange, Marcellus's famous non sequitur sustains the foreboding mood of the disjointed and mysterious action. And it reinforces the point and tone of some of Hamlet's earlier remarks—for example, that Denmark is "an unweeded garden" of "things rank and gross in nature" (Act 1, scene 2). When his father's ghost tells him his chilling tale in scene 5, the prince will realize just how rotten things really are in Denmark. Is that a quote from the proposed Skelbred transfer?

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time. Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved. Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant. What was the change? Milner? No, as i outlined at length at the time, Keegan's discontent surfaced a few months after he joined. By March, Louise Taylor and her colleague at the Mail were referring to Keegan's discontent. This was seen publically for the first time after the home defeat against Chelsea. This discontent continued over the summer with repeated stories in the press and the infamous (and unreported press conference) at Newcastle airport where he refused to say anything on the record. The milner transfer was only a glint in O'Neil's watery eye at this time. There have been some hair-raising goings-on outside the castle at Elsinore. As the terrified Horatio and Marcellus look on, the ghost of the recently deceased king appears to Prince Hamlet. The spirit beckons Hamlet offstage, and the frenzied prince follows after, ordering the witnesses to stay put. They quickly decide to tag along anyway—it's not "fit" to obey someone who is in such a desperate state. In this confused exchange, Marcellus's famous non sequitur sustains the foreboding mood of the disjointed and mysterious action. And it reinforces the point and tone of some of Hamlet's earlier remarks—for example, that Denmark is "an unweeded garden" of "things rank and gross in nature" (Act 1, scene 2). When his father's ghost tells him his chilling tale in scene 5, the prince will realize just how rotten things really are in Denmark.

Simple when you have some inkling of the business you're involved in.

And what the literalists amongst us fail to recognise is that they are analysing a dynamic situation which evolved over time. Therefore, quotes become outdated and irrelevant over time as the situation evolved. Agreement -> Situation -> change - > new situation - > old quote based on first agreement irrelevant. What was the change? Milner?

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? where's the thing about xisco saying he met keegan and keegan help sell him on the club or something? How many games has this lad played btw? here it is... He said: 'My dream move must not be tarnished by these rumours. 'When I flew in on Monday, the club presented me to Kevin Keegan. He talked to me in a bit of detail about his plans for the footballing development of the club. 'That was an important moment for me in my decision to accept this incredible turn of events. 'I just can’t believe he won’t be there when I get back from international duty. again, how odd. He watched Bassong and ok'd him. Not sure what your point is. Perhaps it was the Milner fiasco? At what point did KK realise he had little or no control?

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? Why would he say that if his remit was so clear...running the show an all. You have to make you're mind up..Was/is Wise in total control of player transfers? This is the crux, it was running that way until the relationship fell apart. As i've said many times, understanding this element of the story is the key to the whole affair. Totally agree.

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? where's the thing about xisco saying he met keegan and keegan help sell him on the club or something? How many games has this lad played btw?

He's doing f*** all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. About what? Source? There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case. Show us where he lied. after a brief search, When Keegan was asked about reports linking him with a return to Newcastle as director of football under then-manager Sam Allardyce, he said: "It's absolutely impossible to give Sam a job at Newcastle and then go and fetch someone who is going to be some sort of threat, it doesn't work. "Sam would be a fool to let it happen and the guy who goes in would be a fool to accept it. "The chairman, who is not a fool, would be a fool to go and do it, too. It doesn't work." But Mort was quick to play down that speculation, saying of Wise's role: "When we interviewed Kevin for the manager's position we said we wanted a particular structure in place with someone experienced working with the board, particularly on recruitment and developing the Academy. "At that time we had narrowed it down to two or three names and we gave those names to Kevin. He knew the structure and the individuals involved and we wanted to make sure he was comfortable with it." "I think it's positive," Keegan said, "as long as I can get on with my job and I get all the help I need as it has been put to me. You'd be a fool to say, 'I don't want that'. "I talked with Dennis before the game and he wished us all the best. I knew he was one of two or three names put forward. "There's been no deception, it's been very open. I'm fine. I pretty much know, from conversations we've had, what Dennis is going to do and the idea, in principle, is very good, to go and look for new players, to bring a lot of youngsters in. "I'm all for the changes, it's not a problem, I approve of them. We had this discussion when I took the job. "They want somebody on the board who understands football and Dennis Wise, whatever anybody wants to write about him, understands football. I know Dennis and I think it'll work very well. He'll report to me." Wise, the former Chelsea captain, will be joined on Tyneside by Tony Jimenez as vice-president (player recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid to take up the position of technical co-ordinator. "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the club as manager," Mort added there's more about him wanting to break world transfer records even though he knows we cant. i'll find them later. feel free to dismiss these or twist to suit agenda. How are those quotes incriminating? called himself a fool, mort says keegan knew the system keegan now claims he didnt know about and he wanted wise here. i see you chose dismiss. No mention of what the 'structure' is, just a vague mention from Mort that one is actually in place. The majority of people assumed that said structure was that Wise, Vetere and Jiminez would identify players and that KK would have the final say and that's how it was presented be people at the club too. Ashley coming out and telling fans the Keegan buys the players and Wise is only concerned with bringing in half a dozen youngsters a season and then saying the complete opposite once Keegan had walked is ten times more incriminating. MA stitched himself up with that'un. would they just say "oh there'll be a structure you'll have to abide by, more on that later"? he knew what is was and agreed to it. simple. maybe that was the original plan until keegan started asking him to break world records, which we obviously cant do? How do you know that he knew? Were you there? If he knew then why apparently did Mike Ashley not know, considering it is his club? As for the 'world record transfer fees' and bids for shit players, haven't some members of both the local and national press confirmed that story was put about by Jiminez? ah, the old "were you there?" argument. mort said keegan knew, keegan said he knew. end of? http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60446.msg1719304.html#msg1719304 - the quotes in there back up the story. KK has never said anything other than Wise was there to help him spot transfers (whether Academy or higher).

Where's that Wise quote where he clearly says he would run everything past KK? Why would he say that if his remit was so clear...running the show an all. You have to make you're mind up..Was/is Wise in total control of player transfers?

To go and look for new players. Not the same as buying them with so much as a by-your-leave Of course not but it does suggest that Keegan wouldnt be choosing the 'possibles' and is consistent with all the statements around the 'transfers-in' last summer. In fact that statement is perfectly consistent with the idea that Wise would identify new players and Keegan would approve them. What you dont know is how Keegan then acted in the summer when presented with the possibles. There was a suggestion he wouldnt play ball as he wanted to identify his own targets. This is INCONSISTENT with the above statement. The only issue is the Milner transer out in this regard. My understanding to add to this particular caveat are the Nacho and Xisco transfers. Plus the fannying around with the Owen contract, something KK harped on about endlessly, seems to me they only listened to him when it suited.

Youngsters?

He's doing f*** all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. About what? Source? There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case. Very much in the same way Mike "Yes, Keegan has full control.....oh wait, no he doesn't" Ashley lied. It seems pretty clear to me that due to the fact it's being settled out of court your man Mike and his pals have realised that they're the ones who'd be over a barrell if it went any further. True dat. Word. They're f***ed if Keegan comes out and confirms to us what we're already thinking. Not true necessarily. The exact sequence of events that led to Keegan going is known only to those who were directly involved. It would come down to a court having to believe someone's word against the other party, and thats in both the constructive dismissal case and the breach of contract case. How can anyone predict who a court would believe in those circumstances? Both parties are on risk of losing, which is why a settlement is the way it is going. I think any court would find for Keegan with the evidence that is in the public domain. Mike lied, kids. Mike lied... NO! Dont say that, the Mike Ashley Fan Boys will cry!!! At the very least I hope to have destroyed the semi-on the constantly nurse for the debt, or lack of it. "Phwoar! Look at the books. There's not a red mark on 'em!" :laughterisnotargumentation:

He's doing f*** all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. About what? Source? There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case. Show us where he lied. after a brief search, When Keegan was asked about reports linking him with a return to Newcastle as director of football under then-manager Sam Allardyce, he said: "It's absolutely impossible to give Sam a job at Newcastle and then go and fetch someone who is going to be some sort of threat, it doesn't work. "Sam would be a fool to let it happen and the guy who goes in would be a fool to accept it. "The chairman, who is not a fool, would be a fool to go and do it, too. It doesn't work." But Mort was quick to play down that speculation, saying of Wise's role: "When we interviewed Kevin for the manager's position we said we wanted a particular structure in place with someone experienced working with the board, particularly on recruitment and developing the Academy. "At that time we had narrowed it down to two or three names and we gave those names to Kevin. He knew the structure and the individuals involved and we wanted to make sure he was comfortable with it." "I think it's positive," Keegan said, "as long as I can get on with my job and I get all the help I need as it has been put to me. You'd be a fool to say, 'I don't want that'. "I talked with Dennis before the game and he wished us all the best. I knew he was one of two or three names put forward. "There's been no deception, it's been very open. I'm fine. I pretty much know, from conversations we've had, what Dennis is going to do and the idea, in principle, is very good, to go and look for new players, to bring a lot of youngsters in. "I'm all for the changes, it's not a problem, I approve of them. We had this discussion when I took the job. "They want somebody on the board who understands football and Dennis Wise, whatever anybody wants to write about him, understands football. I know Dennis and I think it'll work very well. He'll report to me." Wise, the former Chelsea captain, will be joined on Tyneside by Tony Jimenez as vice-president (player recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid to take up the position of technical co-ordinator. "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the club as manager," Mort added there's more about him wanting to break world transfer records even though he knows we cant. i'll find them later. feel free to dismiss these or twist to suit agenda. How are those quotes incriminating? called himself a fool, mort says keegan knew the system keegan now claims he didnt know about and he wanted wise here. i see you chose dismiss. No mention of what the 'structure' is, just a vague mention from Mort that one is actually in place. The majority of people assumed that said structure was that Wise, Vetere and Jiminez would identify players and that KK would have the final say and that's how it was presented be people at the club too. Ashley coming out and telling fans the Keegan buys the players and Wise is only concerned with bringing in half a dozen youngsters a season and then saying the complete opposite once Keegan had walked is ten times more incriminating. MA stitched himself up with that'un. The mother of all backtracks from MA.

He's doing f*** all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. About what? Source? There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case. Show us where he lied. after a brief search, When Keegan was asked about reports linking him with a return to Newcastle as director of football under then-manager Sam Allardyce, he said: "It's absolutely impossible to give Sam a job at Newcastle and then go and fetch someone who is going to be some sort of threat, it doesn't work. "Sam would be a fool to let it happen and the guy who goes in would be a fool to accept it. "The chairman, who is not a fool, would be a fool to go and do it, too. It doesn't work." But Mort was quick to play down that speculation, saying of Wise's role: "When we interviewed Kevin for the manager's position we said we wanted a particular structure in place with someone experienced working with the board, particularly on recruitment and developing the Academy. "At that time we had narrowed it down to two or three names and we gave those names to Kevin. He knew the structure and the individuals involved and we wanted to make sure he was comfortable with it." "I think it's positive," Keegan said, "as long as I can get on with my job and I get all the help I need as it has been put to me. You'd be a fool to say, 'I don't want that'. "I talked with Dennis before the game and he wished us all the best. I knew he was one of two or three names put forward. "There's been no deception, it's been very open. I'm fine. I pretty much know, from conversations we've had, what Dennis is going to do and the idea, in principle, is very good, to go and look for new players, to bring a lot of youngsters in. "I'm all for the changes, it's not a problem, I approve of them. We had this discussion when I took the job. "They want somebody on the board who understands football and Dennis Wise, whatever anybody wants to write about him, understands football. I know Dennis and I think it'll work very well. He'll report to me." Wise, the former Chelsea captain, will be joined on Tyneside by Tony Jimenez as vice-president (player recruitment) and Jeff Vetere, who joins from Real Madrid to take up the position of technical co-ordinator. "This is all part of the vision that recently helped us to secure Kevin Keegan's return to the club as manager," Mort added there's more about him wanting to break world transfer records even though he knows we cant. i'll find them later. feel free to dismiss these or twist to suit agenda. I was thinking of putting this up. Thanks. Supports KK in every way.

It just seems like a cheap point scoring attempt by MA and co. If that's the case then fine but don't say you 'can't discuss the situation' in one breath and then blurt out how it's going to effect the club in another. I can agree that it doesn't need to be said. Publicly, at least. They have zero sense of decorum.

Strange isn't it.

He's doing f*** all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. About what? Source? There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case. Very much in the same way Mike "Yes, Keegan has full control.....oh wait, no he doesn't" Ashley lied. It seems pretty clear to me that due to the fact it's being settled out of court your man Mike and his pals have realised that they're the ones who'd be over a barrell if it went any further. True dat.

He's doing f*** all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. About what? Source? There's been nothing in the press about this for obvious reasons so a few people on here must have inside knowledge about various things during his time here and from his own mouth. coupled with various mort quotes, he might find he hasnt much of a case. Show us where he lied.

He's doing fuck all to the fans Ashley employed him, Ashley lied, Keegan walked, Ashley threatened Keegan with legal action of the clause saying he had to pay him X amount, Keegan takes them to court citing constructive dismissal. + keegan lied. I'm sending this post to his lawyers.

Butterfly effect?