Parky

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ? I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit. Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers. rubbish. mackems.gif Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add. When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ? Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business. you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke". Apology accepted. None given. So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things? What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ? Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about. I think you should look at the league positions I posted and the history of the club if you don't understand exactly how much better off the club became while the Halls and shepherd ran it. Thank you I know exactly what happened with the club when Sir John Hall came in. I can remember what it was like before he came in. And I know what happened when Sir John Hall and Freddy Shepherd were here in regards of football. I also know that Fred Shepherd mortgaged the club to the hilt and he was lucky not to financially ruin the club. I know that Mike Ashley was not the only person to look at the books with a view of taking over the club, but the mess Freddy Shepherd had made with the finances put everyone else off. I don't need a history lesson, but you need a reality check! So, it's a mystery to you that the top 4 have massive debt?? man utd's is dropping dramatically, chelsea are f***ed should abramovic walk away,arsenal have had to redefine their plans and liverpool are trying to sell up. So you admit it takes massive expenditure and debt risk to gain a chance at success? And when massive expenditure and debt buys only a steady decline until there's nothing left to borrow against? Not as simple as that is it. People come into these threads (not you) saying FS is a c***, KK is a c***, Wise is a c*** etc...it's more complex than that (as you know). Sometimes little things go against you (Luque's career threateing inj or Boumsong being half decent) and history can be re-written. The days when you could build a club with youth and cheap buys are long gone. You either compete and spend or you do what MA is doing...Shitting his large pants. The muppet. wrong...what we have been saying is this IS the aftermath of compete or spend and a few clubs seem to be caught up in it. the days of doing what we have been are gone,not just for us. Ashley just needed to put 100m down (for players), drop a couple of tabs and gone down the disco at the end of the day and log a gargantuan bar bill. He could have done it but he has no balls.....Hiring JK ffs!! Pitiful!! Delegating running of the club to football people might have been an idea, f***ed up there as well. How the f*** did he make his money??! search me. don't get caught in the NE5 trap of thinking everyone who thinks fred ended up making a balls of things automatically thinks ashley is the answer to everything. Nah mate, I know you're one of the clever ones that is why I'm always nice to you.

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ? I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit. Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers. rubbish. mackems.gif Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add. When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ? Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business. you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke". Apology accepted. None given. So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things? What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ? Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about. I think you should look at the league positions I posted and the history of the club if you don't understand exactly how much better off the club became while the Halls and shepherd ran it. Thank you I know exactly what happened with the club when Sir John Hall came in. I can remember what it was like before he came in. And I know what happened when Sir John Hall and Freddy Shepherd were here in regards of football. I also know that Fred Shepherd mortgaged the club to the hilt and he was lucky not to financially ruin the club. I know that Mike Ashley was not the only person to look at the books with a view of taking over the club, but the mess Freddy Shepherd had made with the finances put everyone else off. I don't need a history lesson, but you need a reality check! So, it's a mystery to you that the top 4 have massive debt?? man utd's is dropping dramatically, chelsea are f***ed should abramovic walk away,arsenal have had to redefine their plans and liverpool are trying to sell up. So you admit it takes massive expenditure and debt risk to gain a chance at success? And when massive expenditure and debt buys only a steady decline until there's nothing left to borrow against? Not as simple as that is it. People come into these threads (not you) saying FS is a c***, KK is a c***, Wise is a c*** etc...it's more complex than that (as you know). Sometimes little things go against you (Luque's career threateing inj or Boumsong being half decent) and history can be re-written. The days when you could build a club with youth and cheap buys are long gone. You either compete and spend or you do what MA is doing...Shitting his large pants. The muppet. wrong...what we have been saying is this IS the aftermath of compete or spend and a few clubs seem to be caught up in it. the days of doing what we have been are gone,not just for us. Ashley just needed to put 100m down (for players), drop a couple of tabs and gone down the disco at the end of the day and log a gargantuan bar bill. He could have done it but he has no balls.....Hiring JK ffs!! Pitiful!! Delegating running of the club to football people might have been an idea, fucked up there as well. How the fuck did he make his money??!

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ? I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit. Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers. rubbish. mackems.gif Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add. When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ? Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business. you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke". Apology accepted. None given. So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things? What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ? Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about. I think you should look at the league positions I posted and the history of the club if you don't understand exactly how much better off the club became while the Halls and shepherd ran it. Thank you I know exactly what happened with the club when Sir John Hall came in. I can remember what it was like before he came in. And I know what happened when Sir John Hall and Freddy Shepherd were here in regards of football. I also know that Fred Shepherd mortgaged the club to the hilt and he was lucky not to financially ruin the club. I know that Mike Ashley was not the only person to look at the books with a view of taking over the club, but the mess Freddy Shepherd had made with the finances put everyone else off. I don't need a history lesson, but you need a reality check! So, it's a mystery to you that the top 4 have massive debt?? man utd's is dropping dramatically, chelsea are fucked should abramovic walk away,arsenal have had to redefine their plans and liverpool are trying to sell up. So you admit it takes massive expenditure and debt risk to gain a chance at success? And when massive expenditure and debt buys only a steady decline until there's nothing left to borrow against? Not as simple as that is it. People come into these threads (not you) saying FS is a cunt, KK is a cunt, Wise is a cunt etc...it's more complex than that (as you know). Sometimes little things go against you (Luque's career threateing inj or Boumsong being half decent) and history can be re-written. The days when you could build a club with youth and cheap buys are long gone. You either compete and spend or you do what MA is doing...Shitting his large pants. The muppet.

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ? I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit. Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers. rubbish. mackems.gif Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add. When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ? Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business. you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke". Apology accepted. None given. So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things? What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ? Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about. I think you should look at the league positions I posted and the history of the club if you don't understand exactly how much better off the club became while the Halls and shepherd ran it. Thank you I know exactly what happened with the club when Sir John Hall came in. I can remember what it was like before he came in. And I know what happened when Sir John Hall and Freddy Shepherd were here in regards of football. I also know that Fred Shepherd mortgaged the club to the hilt and he was lucky not to financially ruin the club. I know that Mike Ashley was not the only person to look at the books with a view of taking over the club, but the mess Freddy Shepherd had made with the finances put everyone else off. I don't need a history lesson, but you need a reality check! So, it's a mystery to you that the top 4 have massive debt?? man utd's is dropping dramatically, chelsea are f***ed should abramovic walk away,arsenal have had to redefine their plans and liverpool are trying to sell up. So you admit it takes massive expenditure and debt risk to gain a chance at success? Like shelling peas. man utd's and liverpools debt is from the purchase of the club.....do you think liverpool would spend as they had if they were outside the champs league for a couple of years and making tear on year operating losses ? you're better withn UFO's What do you do for a living? Neverland?

No Dave there is no corrolation is there?

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ? I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit. Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers. rubbish. mackems.gif Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add. When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ? Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business. you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke". Apology accepted. None given. So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things? What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ? Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about. I think you should look at the league positions I posted and the history of the club if you don't understand exactly how much better off the club became while the Halls and shepherd ran it. Thank you I know exactly what happened with the club when Sir John Hall came in. I can remember what it was like before he came in. And I know what happened when Sir John Hall and Freddy Shepherd were here in regards of football. I also know that Fred Shepherd mortgaged the club to the hilt and he was lucky not to financially ruin the club. I know that Mike Ashley was not the only person to look at the books with a view of taking over the club, but the mess Freddy Shepherd had made with the finances put everyone else off. I don't need a history lesson, but you need a reality check! So, it's a mystery to you that the top 4 have massive debt?? man utd's is dropping dramatically, chelsea are fucked should abramovic walk away,arsenal have had to redefine their plans and liverpool are trying to sell up. So you admit it takes massive expenditure and debt risk to gain a chance at success? Like shelling peas.

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ? I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit. Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers. rubbish. mackems.gif Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add. When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ? Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business. you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke". Apology accepted. None given. So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things? What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ? Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about. I think you should look at the league positions I posted and the history of the club if you don't understand exactly how much better off the club became while the Halls and shepherd ran it. Thank you I know exactly what happened with the club when Sir John Hall came in. I can remember what it was like before he came in. And I know what happened when Sir John Hall and Freddy Shepherd were here in regards of football. I also know that Fred Shepherd mortgaged the club to the hilt and he was lucky not to financially ruin the club. I know that Mike Ashley was not the only person to look at the books with a view of taking over the club, but the mess Freddy Shepherd had made with the finances put everyone else off. I don't need a history lesson, but you need a reality check! So, it's a mystery to you that the top 4 have massive debt??

what have you got against Tories ? Do Labour, Liberal, BNP, UKIP mp's, or even Mike Ashley, always answer straight questions ? I've told you, the Halls and Shepherd did a great job, they left the club unrecognisable and a million miles superior to how they found it, I wouldn't call that "blame", I would call it a great credit. Sir you are a baboon then. If you believe perilously close to bankruptcy through bad management and mortgaging the club beyond belief with a bank which needed to be bailed out by the government itself was a fantastic thing then you are just mad. I cannot disagree that the football was great, but had Shepherd remained in charge we would have been bankrupted. Your head in the sand attitude and deluded belief that Freddy Shepherd was not a bad apple who was stinking out the barrel at Newcastle is astonishing. Sir John Hall had a vision for this club, which his son and Freddy Shepherd distorted and abused to make their own financial gains. While we are certainly miles away from where we were prior to Sir John Hall's intervention, it is laughable that you continue to stand up for Freddy Shepherd, a man who most others lost any respect they had for him when he was caught out by the NOTW with his contempt for his peers and his customers. rubbish. mackems.gif Did you see many protestors standing up for their principles a few months after that "contempt for his peers and customers" when FA Cup Final tickets were being dished out, for the first time in 24 years, I may add. When do you think the automatically better board will reach another Cup Final or even qualify for the UEFA Cup ? Under Mike Ashley I don't think we will. But you keep on telling yourself that Freddy was a top bloke, and wasn't bothered first and foremost with lining his pockets from the money he could make from Newcastle United. I think Freddy Shepherd has a nerve telling anyone how to run Newcastle United as a successful business. you find a post where I have said he was a "top bloke". Apology accepted. None given. So will you now please answer my question. Is Freddy Shepherd (at least partially) responsible for Newcastle's financial state? Why can you not answer this yes or no? Why can't you stop waffling on about other things? What are you talking about ? The saleable value of the club increased from 1.25m to anywhere between 100m and 200m quid while they ran it ? Maybe you should go back to the financial statement thread and re-read it if you cannot understand what I am asking you about. Of course there is some mitigation with regard to FS, but we aren't unique regarding debt and high wages...There is a middle ground in this debate.

It's a jungle out there!

West Ham are close to bankruptcy and the other two muppets are at the bottom of the table. Work it out. I think you're the one that needs to work out what your point is, you claim that Ashley is fucking with us because other clubs have high debt yet most are making big profits from selling players to get their finances together. So how does those clubs selling players and making big profits on their net spend work out as Ashley fucking with us? Ha ha...

man city are now bankrolled by multi billionaires,villa are now backed by lerner.....watch the spending patterns of the rest you mention (in fact a grerat article last week about west ham...the pattern runs,at the time,sell McArtney and buy illunga. make a profit on the transfers and bring the player in on lower wages and if they've done their scouting work, and a few of their fans say this, get a better player to boot. seems the same may have been done re bellamy £14mill=£9mill out) as for the first 4 you mention....lets see if they maintain that level without champs league football for a couple of years or do you think they'll cut their cloth accordingly ? didn't man utd have nearly a billion in debt...looks like they are making an effort to clear it. Just saying we ain't unique and debt and high wages is commonplace. Ashley is fuckin wid you. you're right, we aint unique in having to change our way of doing things (you aren't as good a wum on here as the gen chat board)

West Ham are close to bankruptcy and the other two muppets are at the bottom of the table. Work it out.

Are they sustainable? More importantly, were ours? Could care less whether or not other clubs have debt or what it is - if it's unmanageable for them then they'll be put in administration at some point, be it 5 years or 15 or 50. Don't be silly. Is that a 'yes', 'no' or 'I don't know'? PL wages aren't sustainable. That applies to all clubs.

I've told you. The directors who gave me the best - by far - 15 years supporting the club, get only credit from me for that. I'm not daft enough to think good times last forever. But that is not answering the question. Its avoidance. Please answer my specific question with a yes or no. Do you accept that (even partially) Freddy Shepherd is to blame for the financial state we have found ourselves in? Well, when the Halls and Shepherd took over the club, it wasn't worth 1.25m, now it is worth massively more than that. Who do you "blame" for that ? I don't BLAME anyone for the increase in our worth. Do you accept that (even partially) Freddy Shepherd is to blame for the financial state we are in? Most PL clubs have tricky finances. What's your point?

Are they sustainable? More importantly, were ours? Could care less whether or not other clubs have debt or what it is - if it's unmanageable for them then they'll be put in administration at some point, be it 5 years or 15 or 50. Don't be silly.

Ashley has timed the financial statement and all his whinning and hysteria tactics to take peoples minds off the transfer window.

you have absolutely no chance of getting the Ashley backers [all the way to the 2nd division] to accept that. Sheep.

I've told you. The directors who gave me the best - by far - 15 years supporting the club, get only credit from me for that. I'm not daft enough to think good times last forever. But that is not answering the question. Its avoidance. Please answer my specific question with a yes or no. Do you accept that (even partially) Freddy Shepherd is to blame for the financial state we have found ourselves in? Personally I blame him for the debt profile of all PL clubs. Take a step back and smell the coffee rasta.

man city are now bankrolled by multi billionaires,villa are now backed by lerner.....watch the spending patterns of the rest you mention (in fact a grerat article last week about west ham...the pattern runs,at the time,sell McArtney and buy illunga. make a profit on the transfers and bring the player in on lower wages and if they've done their scouting work, and a few of their fans say this, get a better player to boot. seems the same may have been done re bellamy £14mill=£9mill out) as for the first 4 you mention....lets see if they maintain that level without champs league football for a couple of years or do you think they'll cut their cloth accordingly ? didn't man utd have nearly a billion in debt...looks like they are making an effort to clear it. Just saying we ain't unique and debt and high wages is commonplace. Ashley is fuckin wid you.

Just skimming PL finances... Man Utd £453m debt Chelsea £620m debt Arsenal £268m debt Liv £105m debt5. Everton: Failed to raise enough revenue to cancel out their wage bill during 2006/07, and in fact were left with a deficit of £8.1 million, despite finishing sixth in the league and being well below the Premiership wage average. The club was also below the league average for stadium utilisation last season. Villa. However, their wage expenditure exceeded the income generated from revenue, leaving them £1.2 million in deficit. The club also recorded £63 million of debt in the summer of 2007. Blackburn 85% wages to turnover. 8. Portsmouth: Portsmouth utilised 97.9 per cent of their 19,905 capacity stadium in the last season, although they are critically close to Deloitte's "danger level" by spending large amounts on their wage bill, without being able to support it with revenues. 9. Man City: City have the third highest net assets in the Premier League - £57 million at the end of the 2006/07 season, although they are £103 million in debt. However, they are in a comfortable position regarding their wage to revenue ratio. 10. West Ham: West Ham have £142 million of debt and, along with Newcastle, were the most notable under achiever with regards to wages in 2006/07. Their league position was 15, while they were they were outspent on wages by only five other clubs. This supports the view that the correlation between wages and on-pitch performance is weaker outside those clubs in the top four, and the relegation zone. Plenty of debt and high wages to income ratios. Ashley is fucking with you.

Even Everton had trouble covering their wage bill. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2301797/Deloitte-football-finance-review-Club-by-club-Premier-League-analysis.html

Same here.

I'd be more curious to know which clubs run at a loss WITH debt. Half the PL?? How many have owners who guarantee the debt? Just saying you can't have your cake and eat it. Buying and selling players, hiring managers is a lottery. Look at the state Spurs are in and Liverpool will be in if they don't qual CL this season.

I'd be more curious to know which clubs run at a loss WITH debt. Half the PL??

How many PL clubs run at a profit with no debt?