Parky

Fergie all the tricks....Watering the Roma goalmouth for the 2nd half. mackems.gif

I notice you didn't link this Parky. Could that be because it's bollix? p.s. what is meant by home grown? iirc Shola moved here when he was eight, he could be playing for an African team right now if he were'nt hanging out for an England cap. Where does that put your developing the national team argument? In the shit that's where Erm, it's the 2006-07 season this season and unless I've missed something, no such rule exists. Surely restrictions of this kind would be flagrantly against EU law, not to mention everything it stands for? Parky in making shit up shocker The link was old cause that is when it was first proposed and Uefa have been consulting since especially with the EU and EU emloyment law wallahs... "Oh look the link is old"! Followed by copious dribbling with head to one side. Thursday, March 29, 2007 European Parliament Calls On Commission To Clarify Legal Status Of Professional Football The European Parliament has called on the European Commission to ‘clarify the legal status of football’ after adopting a report titled ‘On the future of professional football in Europe’, drafted by Ivo Belet (EPP-ED, BE). The report asks the Commission to specify ‘under which conditions legitimate and adequate self-regulation is supported’. The report also backs UEFA’s club licensing system; calls for football to establish agreement on a collective insurance system; asks the Commission to investigate the adoption of collective sale of TV rights; supports UEFA’s home-grown player rule. European Commissioner, Jan Figel, is currently consulting on a White Paper on sport, due to be published this summer. Sporting federations are concerned that attempts to define sport’s relationship to EU law could undermine their decision-making autonomy (See World Sports Law Report, Volume 04, Issue 10, October 2006). The European Commission has launched a public consultation on its planned White Paper on sport. Click here to give your view. There could be legal challenges especially from Little Paris (The team formerly known as Arsenal). http://www.e-comlaw.com/sportslawblog/template_archives.asp?chosenYear=2007&chosenMonth=3 Back in yer boxes. Aye.

That's what it all comes down to for me... For us as fans to debate academically is one thing, but Roeder must surely have known the constraints he was working under I think he probably didn't. See Sir Bob's book for the secretive way in which Freddie handles transfers. Manager and Chairman agree on a wish list, but I don't think the manager is privy to the financial side and effectively it's down to the Chairman how the budget is divvied up. With FS there always is jiggery pokery and a cut for various 'agents', front companies. hangers on. I'd love to see the paperwork on the Boumsong deal.

Not quite. I think you'll find "home-grown" means players they have developed themselves, but these do not have to be English if the club's English, French if it's French etc. Arsenal are way ahead of the pack here, and they'll still have a multinational squad. Good point but if you go throught the thread you'll see that my main concern also was the grass roots game...ie.. "New proposals from UEFA to encourage European football clubs to select homegrown talent may not prevent the fielding of all-foreign teams under European law. European football’s governing body unveiled plans for a quota system, which many hoped would encourage clubs to nurture and play young local talent. UEFA announced that from 2006/07 clubs competing in its competitions would have to include at least four homegrown players in a squad of 25. Two club-trained and two association-trained players, aged 15-21, who have trained at that club for a minimum of three years. UEFA has stressed the proposals are not designed to place emphasis on a player’s nationality but rather to strengthen the football academies of clubs and restore, “the link between club and community.” " I think this will also go some way to resolving the English players issue but won't be a solution as you say. I can't see clubs transporting 15 yr old away from homes in the Basque region etc..

Oh behave! You love Peter really. I like the way Parky has carried his hollow argument through five pages. Really, what is your point? mackems.gif

...according to this board it not only isn't neccessary....No one has even given it a second thought...And most of you thought I was in cuckoo land..Saving it up you see. blueyes.gif I am win. You cannot lump me in with that lot, man, howay. My posts were down the middle. I'm claiming the win for the middle ground here, as usual. Grey > Black/White. Your posts were interesting and you were looking of solutions...You know I like your posts.

...according to this board it not only isn't neccessary....No one has even given it a second thought...And most of you thought I was in cuckoo land..Saving it up you see. blueyes.gif I am win.

Here muppets and yes I mean all of YOU.. Despite objections from the Football Association, UEFA have ruled that by the 2008 season, clubs playing in European competitions must field at least eight home-grown players in their 25-man squad. Of the eight, four will have had to be trained by the club's own academy and a further four trained within the same national association. UEFA are also pressing for the ruling to be enforced in domestic competitions, although that is yet to be agreed by national associations. Spending spree: Chelsea's imports have made a big impression The new rule will be introduced from the 2006-07 season with clubs needing to include a minimum of four home-grown players in a squad. That number will be increased to six the following season and eight in 2008-09. No we can't see a problem.....What you on about? Blah blah Henry blah.... mackems.gif END OF THREAD

But just how many English players are getting the opportunity to play at this level? In addition to Carragher and Gerrard, only twenty-one other English players have played a role in this season’s competition. There were other home grown players registered in the competition squads, but youngsters such as John Welsh, Scott Carson, Neil Mellor, Chris Eagles and Justin Hoyte made only very occasional, often one-off substitute appearances. Of the twenty-one, only two thirds have been key players in their clubs’ European campaigns this season, making five* or more European appearances: - Michael Owen (5) David Beckham (6) Owen Hargreaves (8) Frank Lampard (12) John Terry (11) Joe Cole (9) Glen Johnson (6) Gary Neville (5) Wes Brown (7) Paul Scholes (7) – retired from England team Rio Ferdinand (5) Wayne Rooney (6) Ashley Cole (8) Alan Thompson (5) Chris Sutton (5) http://www.squarefootball.net/article/article.asp?aid=2051

Luckily Ramage is from the Ivory coast. http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1766_2017245,00.html Coppell, capped 42 times by England in his playing days, is concerned that a lack of home representation in the top flight is responsible for England's indifferent showings at major championships. And he believes the only answer is for the game's authorities to clamp down on the number of foreign names on the team-sheet. He told the Reading Evening Post: "The fact we are struggling is a mixture of things. There are players from every country playing at the top level and European football is improving. But I am certain that if I was in charge of England I would be looking at the amount of English players playing in each of the teams. "It is damaging for the national team to have so many of the top clubs having so many foreign players. This is the English Premiership and it should be dominated by English players. "If you use Arsenal as an example 'how many English players do they have playing every week?' I'm not criticising, when they are on form they are the most pleasing on the eye, but it doesn't help the English game.

Ok I missed Toldo... Esposito I'll look up....He is actually Italian. blueyes.gif Wow!! We found another one. So there are two-thirds more Italian players at the club than you said there were. I grow more and more suspiscious of you by the day. How many non-Italians are there? 24. It has to be asked why bother calling it the European champions league? When it isn't anything of th kind and totally non-reflective of domestic games. Well?

It's about the grass roots game.....No wonder attendances in Italy have continued falling for the last 15 years...I mean who are they watching Boca Juniors?

Ok I missed Toldo... Esposito I'll look up....He is actually Italian. blueyes.gif Wow!! We found another one.

Here the INTER SQUAD..... 4 Javier Zanetti 28 1 1 11 4 0 15 0 1 0 5 Dejan Stankovic 25 2 5 35 3 5 31 0 9 0 8 Zlatan Ibrahimovic 23 1 15 40 14 3 31 0 6 2 13 Sisenando Maicon 22 4 0 9 1 5 15 0 7 1 23 Marco Materazzi 21 1 5 5 1 0 26 0 9 1 2 Ivan Ramiro Cordoba 19 3 0 5 1 0 16 0 7 0 18 Hernán Crespo 18 5 10 23 6 2 8 0 3 0 14 Patrick Vieira 18 0 1 7 4 2 40 0 6 1 11 Fabio Grosso 17 1 2 11 2 1 6 0 1 0 7 Luis Figo 15 10 0 15 3 2 29 0 2 0 16 Nicolas Burdisso 14 5 2 5 0 1 25 0 5 0 15 Olivier Dacourt 14 4 0 6 1 0 14 0 5 0 19 Esteban Cambiasso 12 2 3 13 3 0 7 0 0 0 25 Walter Samuel 12 6 3 4 0 0 18 0 4 0 6 Maxwell 11 4 1 6 0 1 8 0 2 0 10 Adriano 11 9 4 40 9 7 29 0 1 0 21 Santiago Solari 8 8 1 13 4 2 4 0 1 0 9 Julio Cruz 6 5 5 15 4 1 15 0 1 0 1 Francesco Toldo 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 20 Alvaro Recoba 3 4 0 11 2 0 1 0 0 0 77 Marco Andreolli 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 91 Mariano Gonzalez 1 8 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 8 Scherer Andrade Maxwell 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 79 Fabian Carini 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 46 Dennis Esposito 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 57 Attila Filkor 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 91 Daniel Maa Boumsong 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 57 Ibrahim Maaroufi 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 50 Ibrahim Maroufi 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 I kid you not the only Italian players are in bold.... ...and that's the WHOLE SQUAD. >

.....and another thing...Henry..He'd be fucked in SerieA. Not sure what that has to do with this....

I simply don't beleive Wenger is looking as hard for English talent as he does for French/Martinique/Senegal/Mali talent. I also beleive Wenger is using the PL to develop French players. Have some of that!

Why not start gently incase Wenger spits out his evian...Say start with 2 with a target of 3 by 2010, giving clubs time to adjust. This is not predominatly about the national team either, it is about the well being of the grass roots game...The producing of another Shearer. How many games would Taylor have got but for injuries and the fact we didn't buy def....? We might never have known Taylor's potential as we do now.

Why bother calling it the Euro Champions league? The rate the Italians and Spanish are giving passports to South Americans might just as well call it Libdetores Cup or whatever.... Why call it the PL its just a lie....Call it the French v Russian mafia.

I love it when this board goes into denial. No-one is even prepared to admit there is a problem. No one gives two hoots that the roots and identity of the game is being erased.....Shame on you.

3 English players a minimum in the starting 11, should clear it up.

Rubbish. I'm making money for the Germans as well. blueyes.gif Traitor!

Rubbish. I'm making money for the Germans as well. blueyes.gif

So it's ok to bring in foreigners if we give them dual nationality? I mean if someone starts at a club when they are 14/15 and then go onto live in the same country for 10 years that is slightly different...It's hard to explain...

I wouldn't even mind if we tried to make it look right....Barca bought Messi over when he was 14 I think and gave him dual natiionality....

Are you posting in sepia? Deep down Gemma you know I'm right.