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Good point. France didn't piss about they started a national academy years ago when they saw this problem.

Football and part of the magic is about being able to relate and identity and a sense of belonging not a team full of Maradingo's chasing a cash rainbow....

Terry never played for West Ham, nor did he come through the ranks there. If you pick Joe Cole, fair enough. If you pick Ashley Cole, he came through West Ham. I thought your point in the previous post was that the players were coming through at small teams? Quite a few ManU players in there as well... You're right about Terry actually....I'm willing to wage that PL clubs the top 6/7 will no longer develop young English players..Arsenal are a disgrace. Is this the same Arsenal that splashed up to £12m on a 17yr old ENGLISH player? Don't think they'll bother developing him? If the English players are good enough I'm sure Wenger will try to sign them, but if they're going to cost 10x as much as the French equivalents why would he sign them? They've also got Hoyte coming through who looks promising, and a couple of kids out on loan. How much have they spent on foreign players by comparison....? ...and part of my argument is that teams often hoover up sub-standard foreigners to fill gaps instead of giving homegrown players a chance...Pompey anyone?

Very good point Dave.

What happens is they have to move on often to lower league clubs and later some come back..... It is the duty of English clubs to develop the game in the community and show there is a path for homegrown talent. I'm right and no amount of mumbo-jumbo can prove otherwise.

How can the English players be good enough if they never get a game....? Why should they get a game if they aren't good enough? How do you know they're not good enough if they can't get games?

Theres a couple of Poles, Klose and Podolski. Neuville Podolski, Metzelder...

Terry never played for West Ham, nor did he come through the ranks there. If you pick Joe Cole, fair enough. If you pick Ashley Cole, he came through West Ham. I thought your point in the previous post was that the players were coming through at small teams? Quite a few ManU players in there as well... You're right about Terry actually....I'm willing to wage that PL clubs the top 6/7 will no longer develop young English players..Arsenal are a disgrace.

How can the English players be good enough if they never get a game....?

Not talking about 3 foriegners talking about fielding 3 English players...The rest can be foriegners..Is that too much to ask?

Cole, Terry and Lampard learnt their trade and got games at West Ham that is my point. People aren't really paying attention. There are 4 non-Germans in the German national side starting line-up. Any gueses? Dozens of La Liga players with Spanish passports who will qualify for Spain are Argentinians...

This isn't the issue...It is plain wrong that Arsenal fields and continues to field sides with no English players..It's bad for the game on just about every level. We dominated Euro for a decade with predominantly English players...Liverpool, Forest, Villa...

How can they ever be good enough if they can't get the games.....

U.K. company though. Nowt to do with the health of football tbf Vic.

Do you see the irony in those names 3 came through a small club (WHam) youth system. Young English players can't develop cause they can't break into first teams populated from around Europe. It's wrong simple as that. EU beuracracy gone mad.

If teams had to field at least 3 home grown players that wouldn't be in contest with EU employment law....The other 8 could still come from abroad.

.....there will be no one to pick an England team from soon.

Neglecting to mention the fact that the cost of O'Dreary getting Leeds to the EC semi final was pushing the club to the point of bankruptcy. Worth reflecting on when you consider where Leeds are now. O'Leary is a cheque book manager. Take his cheque book away and he hasn't got a clue. Also, if you think Roeder has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth and alienate the fans, then he's got nothing on O'Dreary. Debatable - for the first half of the season, the squad wasn't improved at all. We had Petrov in, yes, but we'd lost our best player of the season before (Milner) and had also lost De La Cruz, Berson and Djemba-Djemba (stop sniggering at the back!). We've been forced to borrow keepers from Crystal Palace, we've had to play players who didn't even have squad numbers at the start of the season. He brought Young, Carew and Maloney in in January. Maloney on the last day of the season and, despite some impressive performances, he's been lacking match fitness. Carew was a (great) swap for Baros. You can't really expect players to settle straight away, and i think we're seeing this with Young especially. But the performances in this bad patch have been much better than the results suggest, whereas those in the unbeaten run at the start of the season were largely worse than the results suggested. We've taken points from Chelsea and Liverpool, and were very unlucky to lose against Arsenal. I think you'd also have to be one-eyed in the extreme to suggest we deserved to lose in our match at your place. What has been evident this season is how much we'd slid last season. When he took the job, people said "he's got a job on his hands to keep them up", and that has proved the case. Then again, we're what, two points behind Newcastle and perfectly capable of a mid table finish with our run-in. What is important now is that the new owners and MON have pretty much the entire support behind them, and optimism for next season is absolutely sky high. You hinted at this, and you're absolutely right, if after next season things are still going badly, then that is the time to judge him, and there'll be plenty of us doing exactly that. Unfortunately for MON the game has moved on.

It's destroying football ffs!! National games are losing their identity.

No problems, all you have to do is bring down the EU first! The thing is the EU shouldn't be messing in sport which has its own traditions rooted in history. Bring down the EU....it will happen.

MY back passage is always open.

He'll be feeding the poor of Africa next. Yeah free tickets for asylum seekers next year to fill the ground and a free pie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The U.N. have asked him to mediate in the Iran crisis. blueyes.gif Yeah that would piss the president of Iran off. Let the Hostages go or you're watching Sunderland for the rest of your days

He'll be feeding the poor of Africa next. Yeah free tickets for asylum seekers next year to fill the ground and a free pie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The U.N. have asked him to mediate in the Iran crisis. blueyes.gif

If I think a player is shiite or even good but not needed, and the club signs him whilst players who I think are good who play in positions that I think need to be filled, yet are overlooked and cast aside, then of course I think its a poor signing. Its stating the obvious, its my opinion. And likewise, anyone who thinks its a good signing, or one that was needed, is just expressing their opinion, same as me. The only difference is that the opinion of the manager and chairman counts, unlike mine. But if they get it wrong, then I have the right to say that their opinion was/is shiite and that it was a mistake, as was overlooking the players we could have done with who have gone on to play well elsewhere. If they get these decisions/opinions wrong consistently, then I have the right to question their judgement and ability to do their job. If I think we should have signed Campbell, and Roeder doesnt, and we then struggle in defence for an entire season with utter shiite playing at the back for us, whilst Campbell becomes a rock for Pompey, then of course I'll think that the club made the wrong decision. So, what is the point you are trying to make? That I cant criticise the transfer dealings of Roeder because you say so? Who are you again? Thats right, a nobody on an internet forum, just like the rest of us. What you say or think means fuck all mate, so yes, I can criticise the manager or chairman for his decisions in the transfer market. Deal with it. Have to agree, should have signed a def.

Quinn's name is already being chanted in Harare. blueyes.gif