Parky

Me too Or turn it the other way around... What happens to our ability to borrow/pay off loans when all the cash in the company has been given away? I am seriously interested in what happens when shareholders sell up. My site is there to try and explain the clu's finances. I totally accept I'm no more than a keen amateur in these things, and I need to know more. If you have a good concise explanation of what difference it would make if the share price went down, or up, then I will happily include it. (It has to have no jargon in it ) As far as not paying dividends having a negative effect on share-price, surely it doesn't make any difference ? Pay dividends and business has less assets and is worth less, so share price drops, investors see some short term gain so buy. So share price nets out as unchanged. Don't pay dividends and business is worth more so share price rises, but has less short term enticement to an investor so the price nets out as unchanged. Roughly you really don't get this shares lark do you? shreholders make money in two ways, price increases and divis. If the share price is falling and there are no divis, there is no point in owning shares share price is purely refelcted by share buyer confidence, and has absolutely nothing to do with whether the company has money in the bank or as you put it 'the company's worth' (unless you honestly believe that someone would buy shares in a s*** football club just because they have some cash). The company's worth is the share price. Share price dictates a companies market capitalisation (hope that's not too jargony for you, but it's a standard term). MC is a key measure for plc's and dictates credit limits and repayment rates. Me too Or turn it the other way around... What happens to our ability to borrow/pay off loans when all the cash in the company has been given away? I am seriously interested in what happens when shareholders sell up. My site is there to try and explain the clu's finances. I totally accept I'm no more than a keen amateur in these things, and I need to know more. If you have a good concise explanation of what difference it would make if the share price went down, or up, then I will happily include it. (It has to have no jargon in it ) As far as not paying dividends having a negative effect on share-price, surely it doesn't make any difference ? Pay dividends and business has less assets and is worth less, so share price drops, investors see some short term gain so buy. So share price nets out as unchanged. Don't pay dividends and business is worth more so share price rises, but has less short term enticement to an investor so the price nets out as unchanged. Roughly you really don't get this shares lark do you? shreholders make money in two ways, price increases and divis. If the share price is falling and there are no divis, there is no point in owning shares share price is purely refelcted by share buyer confidence, and has absolutely nothing to do with whether the company has money in the bank or as you put it 'the company's worth' (unless you honestly believe that someone would buy shares in a s*** football club just because they have some cash). The company's worth is the share price. Share price dictates a companies market capitalisation (hope that's not too jargony for you, but it's a standard term). MC is a key measure for plc's and dictates credit limits and repayment rates. Interesting. Are you suggesting that a company's financial results has no bearing whatsoever on its market price? Where do you think this 'share buyer confidence' comes from? If a company has no cash and is performing badly, do you think confidence is retained by paying dividends? Are you aware that companies forecast their results to the stock market. What do you think analysts do? How are markets made in shares? Enron Kitty Enron.....Or as I like to end my lectures with the phrase "Everything is everything". Analysts can be bought. blueyes.gif

What I find shocking that a PL business like ours which in effect gets so much 'free' money (tv and season ticket sales). All of which we get just for staying in the top league and we don't even have to win anything or show entrepeneurship or develop 'new business' (maybe buy one or two good players a year) can find itself in such a fiasco. It's a fucking monopoly....There isn't Newcastle United 2 fighting for our revenue streams/players/tv money etc.

suspending the laughter for a minute, but.. don't you think, given the fact Fred is sitting there able to demand £100m for NUFC and you're sitting there wishing you had £100m, that reflects on your potential ability to run a football plc as compared to Fred? Didn't say I would run it DID I? I said I would buy it...I would get professionals to RUN IT. Try again.

have a guess where the last lottery winner who invested in football ended up Poor house? mackems.gif

In all reality it is going to come down to choices like whether on his wages Owen is good value.

In all reality in football terms Newcastle United is a prime business oppurtunity. It is just being run badly. If I had the money (say £130m ) it would be a no brainer. We are being run incredibly badly and we have had some bad luck.

Me too Or turn it the other way around... What happens to our ability to borrow/pay off loans when all the cash in the company has been given away? I am seriously interested in what happens when shareholders sell up. My site is there to try and explain the clu's finances. I totally accept I'm no more than a keen amateur in these things, and I need to know more. If you have a good concise explanation of what difference it would make if the share price went down, or up, then I will happily include it. (It has to have no jargon in it ) As far as not paying dividends having a negative effect on share-price, surely it doesn't make any difference ? Pay dividends and business has less assets and is worth less, so share price drops, investors see some short term gain so buy. So share price nets out as unchanged. Don't pay dividends and business is worth more so share price rises, but has less short term enticement to an investor so the price nets out as unchanged. Roughly you really don't get this shares lark do you? shreholders make money in two ways, price increases and divis. If the share price is falling and there are no divis, there is no point in owning shares share price is purely refelcted by share buyer confidence, and has absolutely nothing to do with whether the company has money in the bank or as you put it 'the company's worth' (unless you honestly believe that someone would buy shares in a shit football club just because they have some cash). The company's worth is the share price. Share price dictates a companies market capitalisation (hope that's not too jargony for you, but it's a standard term). MC is a key measure for plc's and dictates credit limits and repayment rates.

There is no short of even medium term exposure and there are various fianancial instruments that bear up vis a vie TV money, re-fianancing the loan agains season ticket sales and other furture income by performing better on the pitch. What we must do immediately is look at a sensible wage structure and maximise the business. Basically we need to hire some professionals. I would seriously look at developing our corporate and leisure business. With such a loyal catchment of support and regional identity this area has a lot of potential revenue streams. I personally wouldn't be too aggreived we sponsored the stadium name is things started to get financially tighter. I think Arsenal get £9.6m a year from the Emirates for the stadium brand, That is a lot of free money. Our turnover targets should in reality be around £110m and not this hanging around the low £80's lark.

No. Even on a very basic level our club can re-finance against future season ticket sales.

What do people make of the dividend situation?

A monkey could run it better ffs..

We might even be losing upto £2m a month....I haven't had a chance to go through it yet. http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/PLCDetail/0,,10278~1004245,00.html Macbeth: "A year ago for the first time ever the club announced they had a bank overdraft. Up til then the club had always had moneyin the bank to get by with tday to day things. Suddenly last January they told us they had an overdraft of £17.8m, by last July it was down to £5.5m as the season ticket money came in. This time the overdraft is £20.8m, so up £3m on last year. The reason this is particulalrly bad is that last sumer season ticket sales were okay, there have been a lot more rumblings this year and it could well be that they will go into next season starting with an overdraft. In all the short term amount that is owed totals £76.3m. this time last year it was £69.6m"

Yes I was wrong.

Figured out the biometrics yet, Vic? I know you fell for the Parky idea of 52, but indigo did post the reality. Did you believe him, or do you still believe the scaremongering? Anyway, back on topic. I actually agree with boo boo that there shouldn't be any price increase for season tickets next season. In fact, the club should be lobbying for a couple of controlled standing areas behind each goal. If that happened they should be able to offer tickets at a lot lower price than they are right now anywhere else in the ground. In the long term it would be good to move away from season tickets and have more match day tickets or even go back to paying at the turnstile for some areas of the ground. I also wish some of the younger element would cut out the references to pies in almost every thread, it's very old now and just isn't that funny anymore. Surely you can relate to the bit in bold though.

Roeder sacked after 8 games.

Not very clever alerting other clubs to our interest. I thought Roeder was all smoke and mirrors these days.

If you had the choice of having a brain...Don't tell me you wouldn't want one...Oh wait...

The only other helicopter wallah was Bellamy......Enough said...etc.. blueyes.gif

Robbo put on weight specifically for it. blueyes.gif

What take the opinion of players with one brain cell each.....Get real. What player openly criticises managers anyway? These quotes came in the build up to mathes involving NUFC and those respective sides, and are recent i.e. after he left WHU. Being thick has no baring, they are talking about his training methods and man management skills and praising him for developing them as youngsters or giving them a chance, not how he helped them with their sums All I'm doing is providing a bit of balance here, some praise to the criticism BTW. Have you seen Apocalypse Now coach? The bit where Sheen finally arrives at the Colonels camp....Skulls everywhrere, people with painted faces, the whiff of burning flesh.....I give you Newcastle United. blueyes.gif Marlon Brando = Freddy Shepherd? Deffo the right size.

.....and tell me where did he hone his coaching methods Gillingham, Watford? Serie A.....? He hasn't even got his badges ffs..You know the ones they dish out if you get your players to eat pasta instead of chips....And not give them whiskey at half time. Coaching isn't about knowledge but understanding, you don't need to work with great players or have the best facilities to get a grasp of understanding, do you? Your first precept doesn't tie up with your second. ......and I would seriously doubt that coaching isn't very much to do with knowledge....Simple things like getting Martins to come in from the right..So he can shoot with his preferred left...Not continuing to play Hunty at LB where he has failed over and over again..Using Dyer further up as he's scoring for fun and not dropping him back to right wing....He understands the game alright...

Where is that from, TF? BTW its allowed me to cast a vote a few times, so I question the results like. Yes TF.

What take the opinion of players with one brain cell each.....Get real. What player openly criticises managers anyway? These quotes came in the build up to mathes involving NUFC and those respective sides, and are recent i.e. after he left WHU. Being thick has no baring, they are talking about his training methods and man management skills and praising him for developing them as youngsters or giving them a chance, not how he helped them with their sums All I'm doing is providing a bit of balance here, some praise to the criticism BTW. Have you seen Apocalypse Now coach? The bit where Sheen finally arrives at the Colonels camp....Skulls everywhrere, people with painted faces, the whiff of burning flesh.....I give you Newcastle United. blueyes.gif

.....and tell me where did he hone his coaching methods Gillingham, Watford? Serie A.....? He hasn't even got his badges ffs..You know the ones they dish out if you get your players to eat pasta instead of chips....And not give them whiskey at half time.

What take the opinion of players with one brain cell each.....Get real. What player openly criticises managers anyway?