Dr Venkman

Any thoughts on Pardew? Aye he's struggled this season. He was never gonna lose his job if he kept us up though, and I don't think he deserves to lose it yet. Let's see where we are 10 to 15 games into next season. If he's still struggling then it's time for him to go. In the meantime, he needs to be backed in the transfer market in the summer. If he gets sacked now, it's back to square one, more transition. You've got to back the current bloke and give him a chance to get it right. When he's proven that he definitely can't do it, then he goes. We're not at that point yet with Pardew imo. Out of interest do you agree with the theory that it's a bad idea to sack Pardew because we can't trust Ashley to appoint a proper replacement (this assumes the sacking is our decision, which is ridiculous).

I'm sorry but that is hilarious and not in a good way. That is such a 'holier than thou' attitude towards supporting the club it's depressing. 'The club isn't going to reach your standards to make up for your shit life so chose something else' seems to be the general theme. You can accept the realism that we're not great and we shoulsnt exopect to be and you can do so because it's not making up for deficiencies in your life? I'm sorry but my life is great, and the football I've been subjected to this season is fucking shite, mate. Totally unacceptable and none of the shite excuses peddled wash. I'm sure this applies to everyone else too. What a terrible post. Just so insular.

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager?

Your're just repeating my question to you. Given how often we've looked better i the first half of games as opposed to the second half of games, my view is that they are following the game-plan early on. Whether due to goals scored or conceded, or the game getting on, or the opposition taking it up a notch. Our players struggle to maintain their shape and concentration for 90 minutes. This is more understandable with 3 or 4 new continental recruits on the pitch who are getting up to the pace of the English game, and a constantly changing starting 11 (when compared to last season) Can you expand on why you believe Pardew sees us playing reasonably good stuff, then insists we stop playing so well and start defending for outr lives? Settling for what he's got and hoping for more doesn't really cover it because he could do that from the first whistle, but the consensus seems to be, we don't. Lie. We have not played 'good stuff' of any kind for more than 4 halves of football this season at the absolute most, everything positive we've done, absolutely everything has been of an individual nature or a peach of a pass over 30 yards. It wasn't sustainable last season and this season it's been shown up for the backwards approach to football that it is.

I still don't understand. Do the players ignore everything Pardew has said through the week and play more positively early in the game.....but then take great heed of everything he has to say at half time and come out ready to play his negative brand of football? It defies logic. Much more sensible to view it from the perspective that players lose concentration, they forget their instructions, they panic after a bit of pressure and resort more and more to methods that they had not been asked to use when in training for the game. It's not more sensible, it just fits your opinion that the players are more to blame than Pardew. Do you think when a striker misses a chance that it's the manager's fault? Do you think when a team plays badly for an entire season (and by badly I mean ineffective) other than about 150 minutes, that's the managers fault? Or are ALL the players shit and unable to concentrate? They're forgetting instructions they were given less than 45 minutes ago? Are they fucking goldfish like? I think we often look more competent in first halves because we've often got better players than the opposition and Pardew sends them out to not concede and see what they can do with the ball. They're not coached or encouraged to pass and move as a team or create space and opportunities, what they can do usually amounts to fuck all. If they weren't all told to keep their positions due to shape being the most important thing (there's tons of EVIDENCE for this) then perhaps they might achieve a bit more. We huff and puff, Cabaye plays balls over the top from centre half, we get it wide to players who can't cross. Second half we're either winning (Pardew will settle for that) drawing (Pardew will settle for that in every single away game and most at home) or losing (there's fuck all he can do about it because the team aren't coached to attack, there's no emphasis on it, so he brings on Shola).

Ad hominem. Doesn't engage any of my points. Just says I'm mad. There is evidence that Alan Pardew is capable of getting Newcastle united to finish in the top 5. There is evidence of awful injury issues hindering that this season, of our main goal threat being sold and not replaced adequately. There is evidence of improved results since he was given extra bodies to fill some of the gaps in January. What evidence is there that Mike Ashley can find a more accomplished manager? So fuck. No-one's saying he should be sacked.........and then we should look for another manager. Though that's what will happen around about christmas time fwiw. The evidence for that is that Pardew's a bad manager with a bad record who always loses control after around a year, it's already happened here, it will continue.

Dawson's Club. Dawson's Club? Am I missing something here? http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/52419/dawson-crying-o.gif Awesome! Ace! Swell! Although just had a look through his posts and it does in fact seem like Gemmill is a complete cunt, so I shouldn't have been surprised. "THIS CLUB IS ALL I GOT MAAAAAAN!" Oh and we don't use that naughty c-word on here. Then why do you keep quoting people who use it? Cos they keep quoting me to use it. AND THAT IS NAUGHTY. Why do they keep quoting you to use it?

Dawson's Club. Dawson's Club? Am I missing something here? http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/52419/dawson-crying-o.gif Awesome! Ace! Swell! Although just had a look through his posts and it does in fact seem like Gemmill is a complete cunt, so I shouldn't have been surprised. "THIS CLUB IS ALL I GOT MAAAAAAN!" Oh and we don't use that naughty c-word on here. Then why do you keep quoting people who use it?

Carr doesn't watch the games Doesn't he? That's incredible if true. He's a scout. Why would he scout our own players? The fuck are you talking about? He could very easily just watch the game for leisure. Stop trying to be clever ALL THE TIME.

Carr doesn't watch the games Doesn't he? That's incredible if true. Nope, I've heard him talk on a few occasions about how he's too nervous to watch us. If he's away and we've got a game he'll be on the phone to his wife asking what the score is every five minutes

Here we are at the bottom of it all, when every last excuse has been drained of all it's effectiveness. Want Pardew out because you think it'll improve the team? Stop caring about the team then.

Carr doesn't watch the games

If your aim is to dominate games for 90 minutes you're living in cloud cuckoo land. f*** sake man I don't agree with all the points the lad is making, but have to say I agree that it's unrealistic to expect to dominate a game for 90 minutes - the opposition are always going to have a spell where they're on top, it's the resilience to ride out those spells that's important. Christ, I disagree that Dolly Parton sleeps on her front, but no-one's said that.

So the players should be allowed to miss chances without examination but Pardew has to dominate the opposition for the full 90 minutes. Any endeavor from the opposition cannot be tolerated. No

If your aim is to dominate games for 90 minutes you're living in cloud cuckoo land.

Some of my best friends are from Singapore.

You make some fair points but personally I don't need to hear any rumours, I trust my eyes and for the last few weeks I've been watching a team that's given up on the manager.

Eh? I'm not the one protesting. It'd be a contradiction if the two comments were in any way linked. I, personally, couldn't care less if I'm being accused of being spineless for not believing in something I don't believe in. Looks good if you remove the context, like. So, well done. Oh I'm sorry, I thought they were completely contradictory. That's fine. Here are the quotes you butchered in full, for context: I'll get back on my horse now. Well you've said that you care what other people think of a protest that you're not involved in to the point of it being embarrassing, and that we'll be mocked. Then you've said that you couldn't care less what other people think, I presume of Pardew? What am I missing? Is it just NUFC fans who's opinions you don't care about?

Taylor, Mbiwa, Williamson Rubbish, absolutely rubbish. Mbiwa will be a top player for us, Taylor is alright. We need a CB I agree, I would go for a young one if Colo stays. I like Mbiwa a lot, but those three as our centre half depth would be terrible.

Eh? I'm not the one protesting. It'd be a contradiction if the two comments were in any way linked. I, personally, couldn't care less if I'm being accused of being spineless for not believing in something I don't believe in. Looks good if you remove the context, like. So, well done. Oh I'm sorry, I thought they were completely contradictory.

Taylor, Mbiwa, Williamson Rubbish, absolutely rubbish.

If Coloccini was staying I'd honestly ship Taylor out the first chance I got. Can imagine that would be an unpopular opinion but he's just no good to us, even if he plays reasonably well when fit. Having him in the squad has held us back in the CB department for years; because - for the vast majority of his career - he's been either average or injured (with the odd spell of admittedly very decent form), meaning we've had to play shite like Williamson. We've had worse CB 'squads' in my time supporting us (Souness/Roeder time ) but I wouldn't be against a bit of an overhaul. Even if Colo goes, in Mapou it looks like we've got someone we can build the whole defense around. We've got some serious work to do if Colo leaves, we're gonna need at least two of first team quality.

Were you on the 10 year deal? Any grief from the club?

I'll make a "WE GRATEFULLY ACCEPT WHATEVER SHITE WE'RE SERVED" banner on a blanket sewn together out of my payslips. That'll look good, actually. You going to be there? Working weekends atm. Wary of putting money into the club while the owners continue to take the piss anyway though. Ah right. Never mind then. Thought that counts. I bet your little eyes lit up when you saw this thread It's just a depressing thought, to be honest. We all know how shit the season's been, the football's been and the manager is. That'll probably get dealt with in the summer. There's simply no need for protests, bed sheets and 'Geordie cliches'. If he's not going to be sacked there absolutely is a need for protest. I don't care about Geordie cliches, I care about us improving as a team and I believe it won't happen with Pardew in charge. I'm not sure on the state of mind you'd have to be in to view people protesting for things they believe in to be depressing, but I'm glad I don't share it. I'm not disputing that he needs to go, not even a little bit. That isn't the argument here. I just can't understand how a 'protest' consisting of, at most, a couple hundred people is going to make absolutely sure that'll happen. It just won't. At best you've missed the point, at worst this is a straw man. Nobody has said that it will make absolutely sure. I don't care. Ashley doesn't mind what time you leave as long as you pay your money. Do what makes you happiest, mate. It's pointless me trying to discuss anything with you. What I will say, though, if all Ashley cares about is yo' dollar, then he's not going to mind a few banners in the stadium, as long as you're in your seat. You're absolutely right about the second bit, which is why I won't be giving them any more cash until Pardew leaves.