Dr Venkman

'Negative'

It'll be nice to see how he does yeah, get this is he shit/is he not shit thing out of the way.

You're right but pretty much anything sounds better than what we have right now Mate I'd give you the job.

Just can't see it. Sacking Pardew for almost getting us relegated and then appointing a relegated manager, not going to happen imo.

nailed it mate

Yep, captain. I'm a sage as well.

Lads, lads, stop being bothered about anything. Get a life ffs.

We won the Championship and then finished 5th in the PL and got to the quarters of the EL, Birmingham are still lingering in the Championship a couple of years later. I know what position I'd rather be in. This one? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1dop8IGtCpU/RiXbt2Qr0RI/AAAAAAAAAAU/0Ytx40Rrz_o/s1600/break.dance.road1

Well, well, well. You're an all seeing sage.

Football fans in being massively spiteful for flimsy reasons shocker. None of these people dislike Villa for doing it too us though so it's alright What the fuck is your problem? We absolutely hate the elitist attitude of the top clubs yet we're not much better ourselves. Relishing the relegation of a small town club. It was a fucking awful tackle, granted. It's more our awful record against them that makes me happy to see them go.

Theu just won the FA-Cup. Right, maybe 11 people will watch them next season instead of 8.

I can't wait to see the back of Wigan, a nothing club and we've got a terrible record against them.

Arsenal score from a corner

They had about a 30 page thread for "Best Man Utd XI under Ferguson" They are always trying to be friends with other clubs, but their love in with Man Utd is horrific. I've heard a few tell me they support both teams, with a straight face.

They would have had a fallout if the 'friendship' hadn't been completely one sided

My biggest worry about him starting next season is not that he won't get sacked. It will be that there won't be any decent options to replace him mid-season and we'll be throwing away another season which will have a knock on effect regarding player departures. Football is more dog-eat-dog than ever before and if you stand still or go backwards you're rife to being cherry picked by the bigger clubs. Agree. This season doesn't have to set us back massively if we do the right thing now, next season could very well set us back years. Even if things go better than I could possibly imagine I just don't see Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Cisse etc staying around for another season of keeping it tight and aiming for 10th.

I find it incredible that stats are being used to prove something when people’s eyes are telling them something else. We’ve been garbage for most of this season and that wouldn’t change if somebody found a stat to say that we were the best, we weren't, we've been shite no matter how it gets dressed up. Exactly, but some people could find a sugar strand in a shit and argue that the whole thing tasted nice if it suited them. When it comes to a complex game like football, statistics are generally pretty meaningless; the long-standing "but we won the passing" joke shows that. As you say, you can see with your own eyes if a team's playing well. My eyes tell me that we don't play with any kind of organised attacking system, that our transitional play is awful, that we don't get enough players into the box or even into the opposition's half most of the time, that we struggle to keep the ball along the ground, that we often have massive gaps between the defence/midfield/attack, and so on and so forth... These are things that statistics don't really cover, but that are plain to see just by watching us play over the course of a season. Indeed, I posted all of that a few pages back but Happy Face ignored it and posted some stats.

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's s*** at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here You are either drunk while watching us play or you simply watch a couple of games and trying to be a smart alex. We have being peg back in most games this season, we nick goals which explain why we rarely win by more than 2 goals. Can't take you for real when everything you analyse doesn't reflect the state of our games. Even those who support Pardew might not agree with the rubbish you speak. More chances than other teams?? Have you actually been watching the rest of the league. If you were aware of how the other teams being playing this season, you wouldn't be serving all this dross. ignore hf he's a wum who i guess have not seen a single 90mins match and watches motd drunk. He'll be devastated by this grammatically-mangled put-down. There's that excellent, really funny piss taking again.

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals. We have more shots on goal than any other club outside the top 7. We have more shots on target than any other club outside the top 7. Our conversion rate is the second worst in the league. Nearly half our shots were from outside the box, how does that compare to other PL sides? edit: wow, 55%, more than half We're on 50% Spurs are on 55% ....but we take more shots than the other teams. Look at the breakdown of shoits inside and outside the box in terms of numbers rather than percentages and we're by no means the worst. We've had 263 shots from inside the box this season. More than 7 per game. More than 8 other teams. All from our own box as we're pegged back according to some on here It's bullshit though isn't it, an aimless cross can lead to a deflection and an off balance shot borne out of frustration. We don't create chances based on getting a striker in a bit of space and with a bit of time to get a shot away. It happens, in the same way that sometimes football sporadically breaks out despite the lack of movement, but that doesn't mean we are a team that creates many chances.

Yeah, you can prove anything with facts can't you Stats account for very little. But when someone says "we create very little" and the facts show we create more chances than 13 other teams then the stats show that person is wrong. Did you use some figures that included long range shots? So all of Tiote's attempts at shooting count as a chance created?

Any thoughts on Pardew? Aye he's struggled this season. He was never gonna lose his job if he kept us up though, and I don't think he deserves to lose it yet. Let's see where we are 10 to 15 games into next season. If he's still struggling then it's time for him to go. In the meantime, he needs to be backed in the transfer market in the summer. If he gets sacked now, it's back to square one, more transition. You've got to back the current bloke and give him a chance to get it right. When he's proven that he definitely can't do it, then he goes. We're not at that point yet with Pardew imo. Out of interest do you agree with the theory that it's a bad idea to sack Pardew because we can't trust Ashley to appoint a proper replacement (this assumes the sacking is our decision, which is ridiculous). Based on all of the evidence to hand, it's more likely than not that Ashley's managerial appointments will continue to be disappointing. Unless you know something I don't, I'm not sure what you've got to dispute that. I just find it interesting given that you think Pardew should be backed with new players. If Ashley's true to form he'll buy him more of the same and he won't have a clue what to do with them either, don't you think? If you keep the bloke in charge, then you back him. You're looking at this through your "he needs to go" lens, which I don't agree with. If you only buy players of a certain type, you have to have the right bloke in charge.

Aye, dodging question all over aren't I. There's a dozen of you and 2 of us expressing the counter argument. I don't think Pardew is capable of implementing any style other than keeping it tight. His set piece record is atrocious. But then we scored from as many set pieces as Arsenal last season. Should Wenger be sacked for his awful set pieces? We don't necessarily have to rely on them. Arsenal don't have to rely on set pieces because they're great at creating chances as a team, you picked the worst possible team to compare us to. We could do with something to rely on because we can't create chances and we concede loads of goals, but he's shit at coaching set pieces as well. Incidentally, what are his good points as a manager? That was the point of choosing Arsenal. We've scored more goals from open play than 10 other teams...despite THE PLAYERS having one of the worst conversion rates in the league for the chances we create. Arsenal are a more extreme example of a team who are "woeful" at set pieces, but compensate otherwise. I'm not really sure what your point is. We're bad at set pieces, we don't create many chances, we concede loads of goals.

Any thoughts on Pardew? Aye he's struggled this season. He was never gonna lose his job if he kept us up though, and I don't think he deserves to lose it yet. Let's see where we are 10 to 15 games into next season. If he's still struggling then it's time for him to go. In the meantime, he needs to be backed in the transfer market in the summer. If he gets sacked now, it's back to square one, more transition. You've got to back the current bloke and give him a chance to get it right. When he's proven that he definitely can't do it, then he goes. We're not at that point yet with Pardew imo. Out of interest do you agree with the theory that it's a bad idea to sack Pardew because we can't trust Ashley to appoint a proper replacement (this assumes the sacking is our decision, which is ridiculous). Based on all of the evidence to hand, it's more likely than not that Ashley's managerial appointments will continue to be disappointing. Unless you know something I don't, I'm not sure what you've got to dispute that. I just find it interesting given that you think Pardew should be backed with new players. If Ashley's true to form he'll buy him more of the same and he won't have a clue what to do with them either, don't you think?