Dr Venkman

....after 21 games....with 9 new players including a whole new back 4 and a new formation, are you surprised he isnt? Look at Man City. i dont think its a fair comparison tbh, they had a settled defensive unit, including a very good centre back pairing already performing very well, allardyce had to literally start again

"s*** first touch Doesn't no how to use his pace Can't shoot Can't beat a man Passing is s*** No awareness" All those can be helped with training. helped, yes, brought up to a consistent high standard, i doubt it, not enough raw talent/footballing intelligence, imo

Let's ignore all the glaring deficiencies in his game too, eh? 23. Same age as Adebayor, Tevez and Torres then. All clubs with a far better training set up and manager than we have. Going to a "good" club doesn't automatically mean that players improve. Just look at Chelsea if you want examples. Martins has peaked IMO. Good enough if we want to stay at the level we're at currently, but not good enough to move us forward. No it doesn't, but the problems with Martins are things that can be made less of a hinderance with good training and a manager who can look at him and see what his exact problems are. We have neither of them imo. thats the sort of codswallop that kept titus bramble at this club, like martins, a lot of his problems are in his brain, and you cant coach intelligence into someone, sorry

....after 21 games....with 9 new players including a whole new back 4 and a new formation, are you surprised he isnt?

Let's ignore all the glaring deficiencies in his game too, eh? 23. Same age as Adebayor, Tevez and Torres then. All clubs with a far better training set up and manager than we have. and much better strikers

he's so inconsistent, as is viduka, i'd replace them both next summer if possible

Do you think a new manager will not want his own staff, players and time to gel a team/system? I reckon this season is a write-off whether we sack him or not. A season of rebuilding is not wasted. Even half a season of looking at the team and planning for the future is not wasted. Keeping a manager with no chance of success or even a clue what to do is a waste of a season. you're shooting yourself in the foot here, this is our season of rebuilding, just under a manager you've clearly already made up your mind about after 21 games. this is a manager who's had very good results in this league, a manager who's continually backed by other managers who it seems know what they're talking about, sir alex and sven to name just two. maybe, just maybe, its time to trust someone to do what we brought them in to do, a job, in any way they see fit, to get us moving in the right direction EVENTUALLY, no matter how long it takes.

so frustrating, pace of a beast, mind of a ten year old

why would they let him go? seems weird

after he came on wasn't bramble probably our best palyer that night ? not that it wasn't right to let him go but maybe he took more stick than was deserved I was never his biggest fan by any account but such humiliation was overly harsh and i wished he celebrated with a customary cupped ear to the Kop. i seriously doubt he has the prescence of mind to do that, good finish though

no, relegation form would be 7 wins in 38, you dont get relegated on the results of 12 games, you're getting ripped on your season ticket if you think there's only 6 home games every season

for gods sake man, keegan, venables? george fucking graham? the grass isnt always greener you know lads

you've posted that 8 years too early mate

as chairman?

i wonder if sven will put petrov on the right up against charlie

that's what worrying me indeed different strokes

its one of those things thats highly irritating yet never given, along with foul throws, which just dont seem to matter anymore, i reckon a player could haul it in over arm nowadays and they wouldnt pull them on it

One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list If I could be arsed I am sure I can find times pre-sam that we have won pens or scored goals late on. The fitness that Sam is improving means our boys are still going flat out in April & May, not doing well late on in game in December. so could i, tottenham away for example, i just think we look stronger later in games than we used to, in general Cant say I have noticed. Cant think of any of last seasons squad that look dramatically improved. hmm, fair point, maybe he's brought generally fitter players in then? personally though i've always been used to us crumbling late on whereas this season i feel ever so slightly more confident we can play till the end. still says nowt for the first 80 minutes though

One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list If I could be arsed I am sure I can find times pre-sam that we have won pens or scored goals late on. The fitness that Sam is improving means our boys are still going flat out in April & May, not doing well late on in game in December. so could i, tottenham away for example, i just think we look stronger later in games than we used to, in general

i am

It's funny though how Parker once again looks a class act now that he doesn't have 50,000 "supporters" screaming nonsensical abuse at him every two weeks. its more to do with him passing forwards i think mate, and i'm the harshest critic of our lot give him time, he'll soon run out of steam and take to spinning around again oh definitely, he's still living off the reputation of a weeks excellent form for charlton imo

that doesn't make sense

One late goal was a pen, the other a corner & Vidukas was off a long punt from the goalie. They are hardly goals scored because we are fitter. Yeah your right we do not concede in the last minute we just need to work on the other 89 minutes now. credit where credit's due mate, if your teams fitter you get late goals, its not just the 2 seconds where you score that matters, we have to force the other team into mistakes/win the ball first, we might not have won the pen at fulham if the lads were more tired, also there's owens late winner at home to add to the list

It's funny though how Parker once again looks a class act now that he doesn't have 50,000 "supporters" screaming nonsensical abuse at him every two weeks. its more to do with him passing forwards i think mate, and i'm the harshest critic of our lot

You would have said the same about the SJP expansion 5 years ago And? 5 years ago no one could have predicted that we would be in the freefall that we were at the end of Fred's time. That's stunning, don't you think? 10 years ago I don't think many predicted that we'd be in financial trouble and our future would be looking seemingly bleak. That's the main thing I've been trying to say so far, though god knows I've tried my best to sound as confusing as possible. ??? And in 5 years time Wenger may have let and Arsenal may be struggling to get 8th place in the Premier league. You've said exactly what I was getting at, the Emirates looks sound now, SJP look sound 5 years ago Aye, the MANAGER makes a massive difference, which is where we went wrong with the appointment of Souness, obviously. .....or even the sacking of SBR? didn't hear too many voices against it at the time. Never mind, after today, do you hope the club continue carrying on putting the books first, standby for more real mediocrity or worse. I thought when the Halls and Shepherd left, all this mediocrity would come to an end. I reckon we need a few of these quality trophy players to get up the league a bit, don't you I've always been unhappy with the sacking of SBR. I dont know what agenda you have me trying to push but you have the wrong man, i wasnt for Shepard during his reign as chairmen, although i supported most of his decisions. I am not one of these people who think the new board are magically sorting out all the problems, but i am extremely encouraged by what has already occured with the new board, but i feel obliged to respond to some absolute stupendous critism of the new board which is borderline idiotic. considering that we are 5 months into their ownership. Whehther you turn out to be correct or wrong is irrelevant to me but to sit there and criticise something so quickly with absolutley NOTHING solid to back it up except for some loose misinterpretation is mind boggling to me. Idiotic. A simple FACT, dear boy, is that Sir Bobby Robson's team was booed for only finishing 5th, this epitomised the feeling of a lot of fans at that time. I would presume those who booed the team that day were the same people - like booboo - who laugh at the team when they aren't performing well. I'm not saying that you were one of those, because I don't know, but what I do know is if you ignore this comment, you are ignoring history. So don't start laying the blame at the feet of the board, they acted in what was thought was the decision to be made at the time. Most fans backed it - even those who didn't shamefully boo - the only problem was the replacement. What a shame we didn't find the next Arsene Wenger though during the last decade eh, how incompetent can you get bloody hell man, the stuff you'll come out with to absolve them of any blame, unbelievable "they acted on what they thought was the decision to be made at the time". I fail to see how this is making excuses, unless you are going to tell us that the majority of fans didn't agree that it was time for a change ? well, first of all, 'dont go laying the blame at the feet of the board', referencing the blame they're getting for a decision THEY made, 100% sums you up secondly, 'they acted on what they thought was the decision to be made at the time', is vague, weak, and ducks BLAME, why are they acting on what other people think? dont they have the courage of their convictions? did they EVER do anything wrong mate apart from appointing souness, or are you just gonna blame the fans, players and managers? and lastly, bobby should have gone at the end of the season previous, waiting and doing it then was STUPID, sorry like, on this occasion FREDDY, WAS STUPID I'm sure if they had used hindsight, like you, they wouldn't have done it either. Only someone really stupid won't understand this. Do you also think Gullit should have been kept on until the end of the season ? Your views have no credibility if they aren't consistent, I don't suppose you will understand this different situation, different context, different views, yeah he should've been sacked, but had freddy claimed it was his last season pre season and started going over his head to sell players i would say he should've gone BEFORE he decided that sort of thing was a good idea you can have different opinions on when is the right or wrong time to sack one manager as opposed to the next, only a really stupid person wouldnt understand context, or someone with an a***** Firstly, it is isn't a different situation or a different context at all. It's about sacking your manager when you feel that it is time for a change/lost the plot/not going to go any further. The only problem with sacking Robson was the replacement. Sacking Gullit wasn't a problem - at the SAME time of the season - because the replacement was a good one. There is nothing difficult about this. It's only difficult if you are looking for a stick to beat someone with. I'm also very pleased for you that you another one of these people who think the major shareholders of a multi million pound company allow someone else to make the major managerial decisions all on their own. Do you think Ashley will allow Mort to run the club all on his own ? What an absolutely stupid notion, I don't believe the amount of times myself and others ie ChezGiven and UV [i think] have had to point this out. By the way, people/fan pressure DOES count in football in case you don't realise. But the point of my comment is to say that a lof of fans and possibly even the majority of the clubs supporters, agreed with the decision to sack Bobby Robson, so don't bother using hindsight to say it was wrong now, or to change history and say it wasn't the case. it's all good mate, i'm pleased for you too, cant be arsed anymore