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The cameraman didn't catch Duff and the defender when the ball was played, they were too far ahead of the play. How convenient. Looked miles on from where I was sitting, lush through ball from Charlie. yeah he looked on to me aswell but i sent me pa (who was watching on sky) a text asking and he said he was a 'fraction' off

He's injured too. heard he'd been stretchered off, how bad is it?

get krul back imo

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up. Not saying you're wrong, but i would hate for us to be a club where the fans applauded mediocrity, and didn't put pressure on players to perform. If we are to buy the stuff about the "twelth man" and how our support is important, and be given that responsibility, then we shoudl also be able to vent our frustration in some way, should we feel it.I don't believe for one second that the club would benefit from us, as fans, smling inanely and furiously applauding the likes of Geremi and Ameobi for being crap. yeah i know i agree with you mate neither do i, do you consider booing to be constructive? not spoiling for an argument btw, genuinely interested as you seem like an intelligent enough guy I don't think booing is constructive per se - but in context, i understand it. When there has been a rank performance (Derby, for example), I completely support the right of any of our fans to boo. I don't think that solely playing for us shoudl make a player immune from criticism, or that the team as a whole shoudl be utouchable just because its NUFC. HOWEVER, i do believe it has a time and place, even in these circumstances - after a game, not during. Although i reserve my right to shout during the game, be it positive or negative, because its still about passion and feeling. fair enough mate, i reserve your right to shout too, i do a hell of a lot of shouting, positive and negative. i agree with all of your post, i even agree that people are entitled to boo, of course they are,its a free country and all that and i cant stop them, i just wish people would think about the consequences rather than their immediate satisfaction, the first thing keegan highlighted when he came in was the players lack of confidence and i fully believe the atmosphere at home games has contributed to that, and i've been saying it all season. i'd just dearly love to be proud of our support in bad times aswell as good

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up. Not saying you're wrong, but i would hate for us to be a club where the fans applauded mediocrity, and didn't put pressure on players to perform. If we are to buy the stuff about the "twelth man" and how our support is important, and be given that responsibility, then we shoudl also be able to vent our frustration in some way, should we feel it.I don't believe for one second that the club would benefit from us, as fans, smling inanely and furiously applauding the likes of Geremi and Ameobi for being crap. yeah i know i agree with you mate neither do i, do you consider booing to be constructive? not spoiling for an argument btw, genuinely interested as you seem like an intelligent enough guy

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against. I don't personally boo, but how do you suggest fans, who go to the game and - rightly - feel let down, get across the point to the manager and players that some players simply should not be playing for us, and that certain performances are not acceptable? thats a very good point, i've often wondered that myself, we seem to have a group of people in charge of the club now who are more open to discussion, with mort meeting various fans and people from message boards etc. there could and maybe should be a way to do that, but the fact of the matter is i dont imagine kevin keegans gonna start taking tips from us, do you? there was obviously the episode with him explaining about selling cole and he does seem a manager who's more open to talking with fans than others, but i feel pretty sure he knows more about managing newcastle than any of us, with maybe the exception of having not seen our current players play as much as we have. this is where faith comes in, i think for various reasons a lot of us have lost faith in our club, having been continually let down, its understandable. but if we're gonna put our faith in anyone then surely keegan's as good as anyone? dont we even trust HIM anymore? i dont expect everyone to applaud every single thing we do, or pretend nicky butt isnt shit, i just think booing is pointless negativity, totally pointless, dont you think keegan knows who's not been on top of their game and who needs to improve? it all just comes back to having faith in him, or anyone, to do the job. the booing under allardyce, as much as i hated it, wasnt surprising, thats why i didnt make this thread until now, i just really dont want to see us go to the point of no return where its acceptable to boo at half time and the end if we're not winning, never mind losing, thats not support, doesnt matter how anyone dresses it up.

cant argue with that too much, dont really rate martins but like everyone else i'm keen to see what keegan does with him, who knows i may even be surprised

Silliest post of the year by some distance. The booing was very very minimal. its not just about today, said that three times now, silly post. its about a growing concern that i've had about our fans all season, and i'm not the only one. But you've brought it up after only a tiny ammount of booing. Please dont make a banner about anti-bboing. It will only make you look like a bell-end. haha, oh the irony, i dont give a fuck what you think i look like, i want some positivity, some optimism, some confidence back like the manager does, do you? we can help you know, we are a CLUB after all, it doesnt have to be us and them. and as far as my timing goes i 'brought it up' fucking ages ago, i've been saying this all season.

Silliest post of the year by some distance. The booing was very very minimal. its not just about today, said that three times now, silly post. its about a growing concern that i've had about our fans all season, and i'm not the only one.

fucking hell, just seeing the replay of their goal now and thats a SHOCKING decision

sshh...don't let the facts get in the way of a good slagging. Give your head a shake man for God's sake. Sorry but I don't see the point in complaining about Owen when he's scored two goals even though our attacking play was blunt at best. I'm not just talking about today. In the Premiership, your centre forward has to be able to do more than just score the odd from a set piece. With the ball at his feet these days, Owen is totally impotent. He just won't put chances anymore. It's a matter of accepting that rather than categorising it as "a good slagging." I find it insanely comical that the only goal Michael Owen seems capable of scoring these days is a header. He's like shorter pre-WC2006 Miroslav Klose Yes cos he's missed SO many chances on the deck hasn't he? About 3. Who cares what his goals are like? So what if they're headers? f*** me. I just find it funny that what used to be a small part of his game (his superb set-piece positioning) is just about all he has left to score goals. The worrying thing isn't that he's missing chances on the deck, it's that he has no ability whatsoever to create them anymore. Even then, he's missed far more than three easy chances with his foot this season. Honestly mate, what do you expect a player to do when the ball is constantly played to him in front of the defence? We next to never really get in behind teams, Owen gets the ball 'in the whole' because he's forced to drop in search of the ball. Owen in a team like Tottenham would be awesome. That's what they try to do every attack. Get the winger in behind and lay or chip a ball in. He ffeds off s****. He isn't the same player as when he joined us even, but still has it. Have you considered that he's only getting the ball in front of the defence because he's not fast enough/not mobile enough to make piercing runs in behind them anymore? Our central midfield may be incompetent, but they're not completel idiots. If Owen moves into a good position they will try the thru pass. It just hasn't happened a lot and when it has, it hasn't worke dout. Don't give me that, seriously. You probably think Martins is better cos he runs fast. every time someone says to me 'martins would have got that' my response is 'aye, he'd have missed it aswell though'

i was so frustrated at that being given (and the refereeing in general) that i stood up, turned around, lifted my seat up and kicked it as hard as i could, fucking knacked my toes, probably a good job no stewards saw me actually, haha, i felt pretty stupid afterwards but a bit less stressed

can i come and sit with you lot?

sshh...don't let the facts get in the way of a good slagging. Give your head a shake man for God's sake. Sorry but I don't see the point in complaining about Owen when he's scored two goals even though our attacking play was blunt at best. I'm not just talking about today. In the Premiership, your centre forward has to be able to do more than just score the odd from a set piece. With the ball at his feet these days, Owen is totally impotent. He just won't put chances anymore. It's a matter of accepting that rather than categorising it as "a good slagging." Owen is still a good finisher IMO, but he doesn't offer much else, that much I agree with. The problems are much more concern in other areas of the pitch for me. Right wing, playmaker and central defence for a start. What's your evidence that he's a good finisher? Apart from a couple of scrappy tap ins (today and Stoke), he's scored one goal with his feet this season - against Barnsley. You can say we're not creating, but today, against Arsenal in the cup and against Man City off the top of my head, he's had chances that your typical Premiership striker should bury without a second thought. Had loads earlier in the season too (two simple ones against Wigan spring to mind). i agree its a worrying thing with owen where he seems to be missing more chances than he used to, but he's not as good as used to be, simple as, that said i think he's still our best striker and with a better passing team around him i think he'd be ten times the player, was pretty pleased with him today tbh

Nonsense. They played some good passing football and controlled the midfield for big parts of the game. they came here to put 10 men behind the ball and get us on the counter And? They did a good job of it. ok you can go back to the boro boards now

Nonsense. They played some good passing football and controlled the midfield for big parts of the game. nope

well i've already said it always comes from the gallowgate so thats probably why there appeared, to you, to be fuck all i just find it a pretty sad state of affairs that the thing keegan keeps harping on about is confidence and while we find ourselves in a pretty shit situation our lot are booing already

where do you sit?

stopped reading here 'despite concerns from manager Kevin Keegan about Wise's role at the club.' speaking of which, did anyone listen to bbc newcastle today. before the game they started a little passage of conversation by saying that the 'southern media' were trying to stir shit regarding the appointment of wise, ignoring what keegan was saying etc. They then went on to question the appointment themselves saying that he had no experience in the role and could quite possibly be rubbish at the job and keegan didnt know it was gonna be him appointed, i was sitting on the metro shaking my head, for about a minute bet i looked fucking mental.

sshh...don't let the facts get in the way of a good slagging. Give your head a shake man for God's sake. Sorry but I don't see the point in complaining about Owen when he's scored two goals even though our attacking play was blunt at best. he's a pretty good whipping boy because he cost a lot and he's been injured, a lot

its not just about today mate as i've already said, read thread

what?

and to the people saying it was aimed at the red then fair enough, that may well have been the case, i'm not so sure it was the case at half time though, and i'm positive it wasnt the case at half time in the villa game in our first home game of the season, we went into the game top of the table and it was 0-0 when the booing started.

i cant complain about people complaining? the difference is i'm trying to do something constructive that will HELP the club, you know, support? dont mention ticket prices to me, if you consider it too expensive dont pay and dont go, its not like paying to see a band, you're not guaranteed anything in sport and people need to remember this, you're exactly the sort of person i'm fighting against.

first of all boro are shit, when we pushed up they just kept hitting it over the top to given (when he had the presence of mind to come for it) or out of play, they had nothing, and huth took a free kick, what in cock and balls was that all about!? given's lost his bottle, keeps getting beaten from range etc, others have said it before me. i want him replaced at the end of the season as he's only gonna get worse, yes he's been great for us but sorry, gotta go if we get in a centre half equal to faye's stature and ability i think we'll look a LOT more solid i dont need to comment on nicky butt apart from to say that with all his years of experience he doesnt seem to have leaned how to follow instructions, in the passage of play before they scored he found himself in space with time and he just toe punted it to a red shirt, keegan then got off the bench and clearly signalled to him to take his time and play it on the deck, 30 seconds later butt's in EXACTLY the same position with MORE time and he did EXACTLY the same thing, mind blowingly incompetent, we've seen enough of him, out it seemed our greatest problem today, as simple as it sounds, was going forwards, SO many times we had posession with a chance to move forwards and we turned round or went sideways, why do we keep giving the ball to our centre halves to start our moves? has it seriously come to the point where they're our playmakers? emre, WHAT the fuck is up with this little chipped ball he tries to play ALL the time? does he think he's playing in the nfl? because it never, ever works barton i thought had a decent game, owen looked improved, worst thing in the game for me though was us camped on our 18 yard box trying to defend our lead when everytime we'd pushed up they didnt have an answer to it, fucking schoolboy stuff tbh still say we need a centre half, a right winger, maybe a left, a centre mid who can pass and a big mobile striker, i'm now adding goalkeeper to that list