danswan

Why, because the papers and some moronic elements of the crowd say so? 

It is mostly the press, unfortunately a sizeable proportion of our fans seem to agree. Untested, could be a disaster but we may as well get it out of the way as until we have, every time a successor isn't doing too well out will come the Shearer brigade. Ridiculous, short-sighted, unfair, but true.

On the plus side, the best football we have played in the last few years was when Roeder/Shearer were in charge. Maybe he is the messiah

had SSN on since I woke up, and they periodically keep going back to the situation at our beloved(?) club, saying "Sam is up against it", "Sam is on the brink" etc etc etc.  They've had Darren Lewis on from the Mirror, reviewing a Sun article, and saying that Sam faces an uphill struggle, that the team that lost to Wigan contained 5 of his own signings - basically it's his fault.  They keep mentioning that Ashley sits with the fans, and "they'll be telling him what they think". (Just to digress, has anyone bumped into him at any games?  Did they have a conversation with him and tell him what they think?  A little bit more press bullshit methinks).  All in all, the press appear to be calling for Sam's head more than the fans - so they have something to write about.

 

However, after clambering out of my pit, and sipping on a black coffee (and burning my tongue), I began to think about the logical consequence of sacking Sam.  And my conclusion is that it would only mean we would have no manager, and perhaps a clean-ish slate to try and clamber up the table in the vain hope of getting an Intertoto spot.

 

My first thought about whether we'll give Sam the boot is in the financial cost.  Immediately I thought of the cost to Mr. Ashley.  Allardyce hasn't even seen out a year of his contract, and I'm quite sure he won't be employed as our manager on a paltry sum of money.  Then, on top of that, there's the cost of all his kronies.  When most managers are sacked, their assistant(s) and perhaps a first-team coach go too.  A total of 5/6 people tops.  However, we get rid of Sam, and we're laying off 20-odd people IIRC.  Moreover, if I am to believe the bullshit I am fed through what we call the British Press, Sam has only just finished building this mass collection of "backroom staff".  If Mort (with Ashley's money) was prepared to keep backing him as far as perhaps 2 weeks ago, then to sack him would be a ludacris, knee-jerk reaction, because let's face it, no other manager in the world will want all the "sports science performance long-ball-to-viduka-and/or-smith analysers" knocking about at Darsley Park on a day-to-day basis.

 

We're getting the impression that Ashley isn't prepared to hand over large sums of money to Sam to spend in January, so to spend it on laying off staff wouldn't make sense.  Argubly it might help to take the club forward, but on the other hand it causes upheaval amongst the players in the middle of the season at a time when the new manager would have to settle with what he has to try and take the club forward.  However, I would much rather Ashley/Mort (let's call them Ashmort) gave Allardyce the vocal/financial backing in January to go out and make signings to improve the team.  For fucks sake, a blind chimp can see we lack creativity in midfield!

 

Moreover, there is the cost that Sam has already had to Ashley.  He gave him money to spend in the summer, and Sam spent it.  Some signings have worked (Beye, Faye) and others havn't (Smith, Barton).  And some don't even get a game! (Enrique).  As I mentioned before, Ashley doesn't appear to be prepared to spend his money hand over fist, and so to have already given him however much it all came to, only to then sack him, just doesn't make logical sense.  If Ashley never wanted Sam in the first place, he should have gotten rid as soon as he took over the club in the summer - it wouldn't be strange, we've seen managers last days/weeks before.

 

I couldn't watch the Derby game as I was travelling to the capital, but from what I've read, Sam was telling the players to do things, and they weren't doing it.  Fair enough, some if this lies with the coaches, who can't be doing their jobs properly, but also the players.  They've avoided the stick from so many in recent years (even with Bobby's sacking - Kieron "little cunt" Dyer refusing to play on the right).  It's about time that lot took a long hard look at themselves, regardless or not if Sam signed them, and counted their lucky stars that they ever made it in the Premier League to earn millions.  Then perhaps when they've learned to appreciate their cushy lifestyles and count themselves fortunate, they think about the poor fuckers that spend money to give them that.

 

For fucks sake, is it really asking too much?

Interesting post. I agree that financially it makes sense to keep the key backroom staff. Doesn't mean we have to keep to organ grinder though.

Incidentally, what does ludacris mean? I can't find it on dictionary.com.

The inevitable defeat at Stoke will be the end for Big Sam.

Dalglish, less than 4 months at Celtic after over 2 years out of the game since leaving Newcastle.

 

Gullit, 5 years out of management after leaving Newcastle before a failed season at Feyenoord. Currently LA Galaxy celebrity manager.

 

My point was they weren't exactly hot property after their careers ended here. So in our search for the next manager how many would be put off by the track record of hiring and firing that went on here.

 

One thing I am pretty sure of, if Mort and Ashley set about finding a new manager they're unlikely to make a mistake and he will be given time. I'm looking forward to it already.

 

 

 

 

How can you be sure of that? Ashley loves Smith and Mort is a lawyer. Why does that lead you to believe that they are shit hot at choosing football managers?

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'Kids games' and 'caring about the result' as Keefas said.

Now therein those two phrases is the root cause of what is wrong with football in our country.

Kids should not have to care about the result.

If I had my way I would ban coaches, ban parents and put floodlit all weather fenced in vandal proof pitches on every housing estate with free balls supplied and just let them get on with it.

Jumpers for goalposts for the 3rd millenium if you like.

The money is in the game to do this,

Redistribute some of it away from the pockets of the elite few (and agents) at the top and back into grass roots.

Give it 10 years and you,d have more footballers for your winning teams to satisfy the coaches (for it is they who want the medals not the young kids).

Only then they can teach them to play their two touch football and the shift the ball quickly stuff after they have been left alone to develop the ball skills through the joy of playing for fun with their pals.

 

Sick to death of the greedy and misguided idiots ruining our game.

 

Doug.

So essentially, lock them in a cage with a ball.

I like it.

Beautiful football, the beautiful game

 

Myth.

It is a myth up here at the minute like

South Korea are better than England.

He was rubbish yesterday. Am I allowed to say that?

No

Been smoking Eric Cantona?

Are you saying that Beye has a low sperm count?

There's been a swing on the swingometer. I had convinced myself to vote 'stick' but found myself irresistably drawn to 'get rid'

I just want to see us winning. Definitely a knee jerk after another bad result and awful performance. Win me round, Sam.

Fuck and double fuck

Blahh blahhblaah player of football blahh blahh

If I was Emre I'd walk out the door in January and go and play for someone who has a clue.

Lionel Blair?

Duff the saviour....

Soapy titwank

As I have stated elsewhere, BSA plans on removing Shola's legs from the knee down and sending him off to the ACN in place of Martins.

are you still able to get number 2?

 

No. Number 2 is no longer available.

 

yes you are

 

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Oh. I though he was referring to that 2 girls 1 cup malarky.

Pretty sure that's it like. There were a shitload of medals in there (from his liverpool days obviously).

Terry MacDermott was an absolutely brilliant player for us.

 

Why would you be surprised he has a sizeable section?

No surprise that he has a section, just that nobody else has a section, or it they do its like a small area of a cabinet. Terry Mac has a whole huge fuckoff cabinet to himself.

Just trying to help, I'm sure there are others that got about 2 lines down then got claustrophobic.

Can't read huge chunks of text like that. I'm sure what you have to say makes a lot of sense - space it out man!!

Has anyone been in the NUFC museum? Took the bairn on the tour the other week, Terry Mac has his own section in there. Bigger than anyone elses, including Keegan, Supermac, GAzze, Pedro et al.

actually the club didn't have the exact same makeup in ownership so the dynamics of the eras was different, that's before you recognise that the two eras had different people at the helm overseeing the day to day workings of the club. the sjh era was characterised by hall owning almost 80% and other figures having small amounts and limited but still important influence, shepherd for one, making up a board of advisors but with hall effectively doing whatever he wanted. after the flotation the ownership altered, sjh only owned around half and there were thousands of shareholders, and the halls gradually decreased their stake to around 40%. sjh then handed over day to day running to shepherd, and shepherd began quietly buying more and more shares, for instance in a cut-price deal with NTL, and so his influence grew, like when douglas hall stayed exiled in gibraltar and restricting input into the club after the notw scandal and hall spent all his time in spain. so it is fair to say you can divide the SJH chairmanship and the Shepherd chairmanship as separate eras.

 

I disagree johnny because at no point was Shepherd the majority shareholder. What we are talking about is not the shareprice or the fundamental profitability of the club but managerial decision making.

 

You're in cloud cuckoo land if you think that the majority shareholder did not at least 'sign off' the decision. Well thats my experience of these things anyway. From an 'operational' perspective (day to day running), the decision making dynamic would have changed. However, thats never been a point of issue.

 

The points of issue are managerial appointments and debt both of which are 'board level' decisions.

 

We've been over this before.

 

i don't agree that it's never been a point of issue, of course it has. i doubt the halls would've been too interested in denying robson prozone, making comments publicly undermining him or selling speed behind his back, day-to-day decisions. no one has said the other board members wouldn't have input in the managerial appointments or debt issues (tho how much the pickled douglas hall did is uncertain considering he visited SJP something like once in 5 years, hardly suggests he had a key role in grinding down the debt figures or fine combing through the details of prospective new managers) you also have the shift from the hall era of appointing professionals to the board and other executive roles like corbridge or fletcher (or shepherd even!), while under shepherd those figures were surgically removed one by one as shepherd's influence grew and grew, and the closest you got to an advisor was, errr, kenny shepherd? the ownership too under hall was different to that under shepherd, one example amongst many would be, under SJH, Hall was majority shareholder, under Shepherd he was not, you also had the plc to answer too whereas hall didn't have as much of that, so it's fair to say that you can divide into the SJH era and the Shepherd era into separate eras. likewise if ashley was to sack chris mort, and replace him with another chairman, you could divide those chairmanships too, even tho that is only one change with the rest of trhe club remaining identical, whereas the differences between the hall and shepherd era are much more vast and fundamental.

Too.....many....words......not.....enough......spaces

Urgggghh

The longest sentence of 2007?

are you still able to get number 2?

No. Number 2 is no longer available.

The 17-year-old's million pound move will put the former Plymouth Argyle youth player on a par with another Plymothian Trevor Francis.

 

However, the millionaire's club status is not the only common ground between the pair as in an odd quirk of fate, they both attended the same city school - Pennycross Primary.

 

And while former England, Nottingham Forest and Sampdoria striker Francis served his time nearly 40 years ahead of Tozer, Pennycross Primary's headmaster Kevin Storey said it is a record the school are proud to own.

 

"It's a fantastic achievement for Ben who we all remember very well from his time at Pennycross," said Mr Storey.

 

"Ben came to our school in 1998 but I'm not really surprised that he has gone on and proved to be a very good footballer.

 

"But I must admit to being stunned, as we all are, and of course really thrilled that he will be joining a big, big club like Newcastle.

 

"And I'm saying that as a dyed-in-the-wool Sunderland supporter.

 

"It is, nonetheless, astonishing, really, that Plymouth's other £1million player, Trevor Francis, is also a former pupil."

 

Mr Storey added: "Trevor went on to play for England and be bought by Brian Clough, of course, and is now on TV.

 

"But Trevor always keeps in touch and when we were having a reunion party about four years ago, he rang and apologised that he wouldn't be able to make it.

 

"Ben is very similar in nature to Trevor - both are quietly determined, but bursting with natural talent.

 

"I remember when Ben was in his final year at Pennycross he played in midfield - well, anywhere he liked to, really - for our Year Five team.

 

"He was always a cut above the others, but always very courteous and modest.

 

"We're delighted for him and proud of him."

 

My Dad went to that school, and was in the same team as Francis and got to the Plymouth Schools Cup Final with him. My Dad was inside left, and Francis was centre forward.

 

Also, my Grandmother lived about 100 metres from this school, and when I was younger, I'd spend many Saturdays in Pennycross playground, or the nearest park, or the adjoining cul-de-sac playing football with the local kids - there is a fair chance that I could have played with him at some point.

 

This does mean though that Tozer lived in a part of Plymouth where he wouldn't have had much access to football on flat grass until he moved on to Plymstock aged 12, so he would have learnt his early skills in a very compact concrete environment with kids that could be described as slightly rough. This could hopefully mean that Tozer is a mentally strong and technical player.

Good bit of deduction there James.