KaKa

Love that after they gave Mitro stick when he went down injured

This Gabriel guy is so clumsy and dumb at times though man. Tragic play at the back from him.

3 minutes ago, TaylorJ_01 said:

Quite bizarre to try and argue that 19 or whatever signings is not worth talking about. It's definitely very unusual and worth discussion. Don't think anyone is suggesting dodgy dealings as such, but smashing £140m on players as a newly promoted club is noteworthy.

 

I, for one, admire it.

Yeah, that's fine. Most seem to be more negative about it, which is what I don't get.

I think they have signed well, and I also admire their determination to try and make a real go of staying in the Premier League. Think they'll have a great chance of it too.

Just now, worthy said:

I do agree but for me it’s principle and shithouse them back. Petty I know but damn it

I hear you man. I'm not mad at that either

3 minutes ago, worthy said:

Yeah, if they don’t want to stump up the measly 5 million after the bullshit with the dancing tiktok idiot they can fuck right off

To be fair to them they ended up doing us a massive favour. Really happy we never signed Lingard man.

3 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

As far as the goalkeeper goes, well we have to give the manager credit for going out and getting Pope. A big part of being a more aggressive attacking team is having a top goalkeeper back there to protect you when you get caught out of position. Just like man City have Ederson do and Liverpool have Allisson do.  One thing Pope has really added is his higher starting position, which allowed him to smother a couple of Man City chances.  Yep, which is why I said he was crucial to the win cos he did things Dubravka can't and also dominated his area (which Dubravka is very hit and miss at). 

 

ASM was a big part of the whole tactical approach. He was purposely left high up the pitch to exploit the space behind Walker and run directly at Stones. He was setup to have that great performance. It wasn't just a random fluke.  I didn't say that it was?

 

We had a higher XG than they did first half and they bettered us in the second half. Our best chances were comparable to theirs. That game could have gone either way IMO. A better XG doesn't guarantee anything.  Yes, the game definitely could've gone either way.  And that's great against Man City.  My concern was just how much we started to surrender in the second half and maybe we had been too intense in the first.

 

Under Rafa we sat in deep when we went up against Man City, and all the Sky commentators would bitch and moan about Rafa doing it , which we all complained about on here, because almost every team did the same thing. Rafa had us exceptionally well drilled and setup well enough to occasionally break, but we definitely sat in deep.  Rafa had clear plans to counter and also a clear plan of when to press higher (70 minutes onwards).  Didn't just sit deep and look lost.  When we played big teams under Rafa, we would know what to do once the ball was won.  This isn't at all relevant to your initial lies about me wanting us to sit deep like Palace did. 

Okay, well it seems we disagree about Palace's approach. I don't think they just sit deep and look lost all game. Vieira sets them up to counter as well. I think towards the end of the game today they just got tired, as most teams do when defending against Man City, whether that's pressing them or sitting in deep, it is still taxing.

And so when I said you wanted us set up like Palace I was referring to their general counter attacking approach, and not how they might have looked at the end of the game, where you say they were sat deep and looking lost. My point was that even with that more conservative approach tiredness still creeps in and mistakes at the back can start to open up, which leads to goals.

23 minutes ago, Shak said:

The talk of a more classic DM being signed in order for Bruno to be played in a more advanced role makes me think we're looking for someone to play on the right that isn't really a wide player.

 

Say we did sign a proper destroyer. With him and Joelinton we'd have a lot of physical presence in the middle of the field but we'd be a bit reliant on Bruno in terms of someone who I'd fancy to really pick a pass for Isak to get on the end of.

 

Could see us trying to get Maddison and if we can't going for Pedro instead. While they'd be a RW on the team sheet, in reality they'd play closer to a #10 when we have the ball and allow Trippier to be super advanced and basically a winger.

 

In practice would look more like this.

 

                  Alvarez*

                                     Joe            Targett

 

                 Bruno

 

Trippier         

                Maddison*                 ASM

 

                            Isak    

 

*Or someone in that mould of player.

 

Bruno, Trips and Maddison* being who most of the play goes through down the right side, drawing teams over to that side and giving ASM lots of space to work in. If teams have the nerve to attempt counter attacks Joe can kill them.

Yeah, I see what you mean.

Also can see how Isak slots into that role when Wilson is fit to start up front.

5 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

That was the crux of what you said man.

 

You insinuated Howe was being too aggressive and the only reason it worked out was because ASM had an amazing game and Pope did as well. - not the only reasons, but they were both key to it working.  Dubravka, we lose.  ASM off form, we lose.

 

Completely ignoring the fact that we created just as many chances as they did because of Howe's approach, and really the game could have gone either way. - I don't think this is true.  Their XG was higher than our XG overall.

 

Being more pragmatic like you said, where you specifically referenced Rafa, would be sitting in deep more. That comes with it's own set of problems and doesn't guarantee anything. It's more likely you get pummelled as you are then never able to get out of your own half, much like Bournemouth against Liverpool today. I did not say we should play like Rafa set us up - and Rafa did not set-up like that Palace display today.

As far as the goalkeeper goes, well we have to give the manager credit for going out and getting Pope. A big part of being a more aggressive attacking team is having a top goalkeeper back there to protect you when you get caught out of position. Just like man City have Ederson do and Liverpool have Allisson do.  One thing Pope has really added is his higher starting position, which allowed him to smother a couple of Man City chances.

ASM was a big part of the whole tactical approach. He was purposely left high up the pitch to exploit the space behind Walker and run directly at Stones. He was setup to have that great performance. It wasn't just a random fluke.

We had a higher XG than they did first half and they bettered us in the second half. Our best chances were comparable to theirs. That game could have gone either way IMO. A better XG doesn't guarantee anything.

Under Rafa we sat in deep when we went up against Man City, and all the Sky commentators would bitch and moan about Rafa doing it , which we all complained about on here, because almost every team did the same thing. Rafa had us exceptionally well drilled and setup well enough to occasionally break, but we definitely sat in deep.

1 hour ago, gdm said:

Scored

Surely not. His goal record said he wasn't capable of that!

9 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

Should fire up that search function if you're memory is this bad.  I made a fairly detailed post with my thoughts on the approach which you've either forgotten, ignored or missed.  Look it up and maybe stop the weirdly aggressive press you're doing 

 

I did brace myself for us to get slapped.  But that's more about being glass half full.  But you've just been proper dumb about my thoughts on our approach.  Like Jamie Redknapp style posting.

That was the crux of what you said man.

You insinuated Howe was being too aggressive and the only reason it worked out was because ASM had an amazing game and Pope did as well.

Completely ignoring the fact that we created just as many chances as they did because of Howe's approach, and really the game could have gone either way.

Being more pragmatic like you said, where you specifically referenced Rafa, would be sitting in deep more. That comes with it's own set of problems and doesn't guarantee anything. It's more likely you get pummelled as you are then never able to get out of your own half, much like Bournemouth against Liverpool today.

4 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

 

 

There is a search function you can use   

Don't need to. You were whining throughout the match about how we were going to get slapped and Howe was not pragmatic enough and now you're back tracking and shuffling your feet.

3 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

 

You're being very dumb.

Explain yourself then.

Just now, David Edgar said:

 

No.  You still haven't caught up.

Think Scott Parker will be enjoying this too.

Not been happy with transfers this summer. 

6 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

Palace have been pure negative all half.  Haven't left their 18 yard line.

That's how you wanted us to play last week right? Not that effective is it.

Leicester are a disgrace man

19 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Didn't and still don't rate Viera but hard to argue with his success at Palace so far. Great mix in the squad too. 

What is your rating based on then?

3 minutes ago, Klaus said:

That Eze for Palace looks really good. Unorthodox but dangerous and tricky

Their best player! 

Conor Gallagher sent off!

3 minutes ago, David Edgar said:

Somewhat deflating to see Palace 2 up here after last weekend 

Nah, not really

Everton lead. Anthony Gordon!

Just now, 54 said:

I'm massively taking the piss

 Fair play 

Just now, 54 said:

Maybe that draw wasn't that great of a result  

Oh God here we go ...

Put some respect on big Paddy Vieira's name!!!

PALACE!!!

20 minutes ago, STM said:

My reading of the situation is entirely different.

 

Our scouting department has files on dozens of players, often different profiles; wingers, forwards, number 10s, players with potential, players with experience.

 

Our recruitment team then spends time assessing the value of the player and making lower bids, seeing where the selling clubs value is. 

 

We've left things late, knowing that the market heats up, with clubs getting desperate due to their own needs. 

 

Isak was clearly a player we fancied earlier on but we weren't going to go in during June because values can be lowered.

 

I suspect at some point in the last week, Ashworth and Co decided that it was MORE wasteful spending 30m on a player who might be decent, as opposed to 58m for someone we know is decent. Sometimes spending more money is spending less in the long run.

 

Budgets have nothing to do with it. It's about value. We don't want to over pay on average players. In this scenario, we have paid the going rate for a top quality young striker.

Very nicely put. This is exactly how I believe it all works