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7 minutes ago, PlymouthGeordie said:

 

I haven't seen people berate the club. I've seen people confused by the approach of both low ball and back loading offers for players whose value is obviously going to be in excess of 50m.

 

Essentially, you're saying people can only have an opinion but only if it's a positive one.

 

You offer up alternative players as if you know better than the club but others can't ask questions on how we've approached bids?

 

I've not seen many (if any) outright criticise the club. Most are just trying to understand the logic behind it.

My God man. I've already addressed the nonsense you have claimed regarding my posts about alternative players. I won't be addressing it again.

I'm not telling you what opinion to have so fire away. I do find it ridiculous and hysterical though, and so I am equally free to say so too.

If you enjoy getting worked up about the transfer negotiations when none of us really even know what is actually going on then feel free!

3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Eh ? Not sure what’s funny tbh, all that matters is what Leicester want, I’m pretty sure they aren’t telling us to bid 20 million less than they want

It's much more complex than that though. We must be getting information from some party that has let us know there is a chance Leicester might move him for less. And so we go in lower and work from there.

5 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

It’s that thing again where if you even dare suggest bidding £35m for £60m+ James Maddison is odd, YOU HATE THE CLUB AND THE OWNERS AND LOVE ASHLEY.

Hey man, it's a forum right, feel free to say what you please, but if it's hysterical, some other posters might point it out and find it all a bit much

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

I think it’s more that there is no point bidding 20 million under the asking price tbh. I get there is negotiating but Leicester won’t even give that the time of day.

I think a lot of times those firm bids are made to see exactly how strong the selling club actually is on their valuations.

It's all good and well for them to say they value the player higher, but sometimes you put the money on the table with your concrete offer to see if they actually turn it down.

And things then continue from there, or both parties move on.

2 minutes ago, gdm said:

Don’t think anyone is berating the club. 

There've been a number of posts on here criticizing their approach and claiming it's not good enough and they just need to pay the money.

11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We've not signed any attacking players (of quality) with this regime. 

 

Based on various transfer reports. We continue to be interested in players who we won't meet the selling clubs valuation. That is the #1 reason we've not signed any players that can fill the 2 most priority positions in the squad so far... and reports are that is likely the case with JM. So people are annoyed and frustrated.

 

I don't rate our wide players (bar ASM) at all. I'd happily take Harrison, Cornet etc. but from what we hear in the media. We don't want to meet valuations or pay release clauses upfront for those 2 either.

 

Seemingly the club is after a A & B class talent but don't want to pay market rate.

How about we at least give them till the end of the window? Think they've at least earned that right? Why do they have to operate to your timeline?

We at least know they've targeted and gone for some really good players in those areas. They will settle on the ones that work best for what they are trying to achieve eventually. At that point we can all then discuss the merits of the signings.

15 minutes ago, PlymouthGeordie said:

 

Hold up, when Maddison was first linked you were championing Brandt and Aouar instead (which is fine by the way, but calling others out for also voicing an opinion is a bit pot, kettle, black).

 

 

 

Again ... no

I didn't come on here berating the club for not bidding for those two, or whingeing about them going for Maddison instead.

I simply said they were two quality alternatives, and that personally I'd go for them for the much lower prices, but would be comfortable with the call the club made as they seem to be prioritising Prem experience.

11 minutes ago, CheMandelaGhandi said:

You do this all the time. Just yesterday you were talking about how confident you were that the club would be targeting two players that literally nobody had ever linked us with, based on nothing but your own imagination and hopes. Let’s not throw stones now chaps.

No I don't, because I wasn't crying about them signing those players or complaining that we hadn't bid for them. Stop making stuff up.

I simply said if we were looking at that central midfield position then I'm sure we'd have alternatives, such as the two I mentioned because they are very good players. I also stated that IMO, I would personally go for them first, but would be comfortable with the clubs call on it.

I don't complain about signings or demand how we should bid or what we should pay for players. I find all of that very strange.

Just now, The College Dropout said:

I don’t think people are of the opinion we have a divine right for JM.  
 

People want the club to make bids selling clubs might actually accept. We are getting rumours - again - that we are bidding for players far below what would interest the selling club.  Getting fans excited but not actually close to making a deal.  

You guys stay telling the club how to bid for players. Based on what exactly should they listen to you lot?

They've managed to get in some top quality players so far. I'm sure they know what they're doing.

From what I see a number of you need to stop getting over excited and carried away when we're linked with a player you like, and just take a deep breath and calm down.

The club will ultimately get in the players they are happy with in all respects and that will be that. You lot swear you have all the answers about who should be signed and for what price and it's really cringe worthy.

4 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said:

People just need to calm down like. 

Every other post is making me cringe so much man

The fucking tantrums being thrown. I can't believe so many are actually entitled spoilt brats already. It's actually incredible 

2 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

It's a lot easier to get that sort of player, plus those sorts of fees are lower risk if they don't pay off. I think they'd be prepared to pay £50-60m for someone who's 99% sure will be a hit for the figures he'll provide us with.

You may well be right on this. Personally I don't see it, especially with the success they've had so far with Bruno specifically. We'll find out soon though, as according to those Leicester fans they shut stuff down once the season starts.

6 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

I’d be very surprised if we are able to sign a player of Maddison’s PL ability and potential in this window for the same value that Leicester want for him.

 

Leicester don’t have to sell him, they can offer him a new contract - there are no reports anywhere suggesting he isn’t willing to extend his deal with them.

Regarding your first point, yes, you may be surprised, but I doubt our recruitment team will look at it the same way. I can't see them throwing £60 million at Maddison, when so far they've been able to sign the likes of Bruno and Botman for nowhere near that kind of fee. I imagine they'll be quite confident of getting a top midfielder on the continent with that £40 million if Leicester are not open to negotiating at around that price, and they'll be confident the player will adapt just like Bruno did.

The clock is ticking for Leicester going into next summer, because at that stage his value will be halved. He may not be shutting down talks of a new contract, but at the end of the day they haven't agreed one with him yet, and so the pressure is on.

40 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Said it countless times but you can only play ‘hard ball’ when the ball is in your court, trying to buy quality like Maddison it will never be in your court.

 

Would be ridiculous if we don’t sign him for the sake of £10m.

Um ... the ball is in our court, as the club will have other options.

Leicester appear to need to move players and Maddison's contract is running down. 

Either they do a deal in the range we're willing to, or they don't and both parties move on.

It certainly won't be the end of the world for us. Leicester will then just have to figure out who else they want to move on, and will then have to agree on a new contract with Maddison before next summer rolls around. They're the ones in the tougher position that's for sure.

Just now, Joey47 said:

 

I don't think he's a square peg in round hole at all. He's in a very similar mould to Paqueta. Both players are number 10's but both are very flexible and able to play wide right and as number 8's as well.

 

I personally think Maddison would complete Eddie Howe's ideal midfield 3. Bruno holding, Joelinton box to box destroyer, and Maddison number 8 with more of a free role popping up in space in attacking areas. Similar to how Willock was playing vs Bilbao but at a much higher level. 

 

Maddison will offer a lot of flexibility also. As others have said he could play right wing but as more of an inside forward linking up with Trippier (who will provide the width) the same way Almiron did against Benfica.

 

If Howe ever wants to play a formation with a 10 Maddison would obviously be ideal. Also, as @KaKa believes Howe may want to play his historical 4-4-2 Maddison would fit in perfectly as the shadow striker who drops deep to link play, behind Wilson.

Yeah, I think he'd fit in quite easily.

From what I've seen in pre-season I do think Howe will stick with the 4-3-3 rather than change to the 4-42 he used at Bournemouth.

However, Maddison would slot into one of the number 8 slots quite easily, especially because Howe really has them both push up when we have the ball, and take up attacking midfield positions.

1 hour ago, Dokko said:

Whatever happens to Maddison it seems Leicesters time in the sun is at an end. It's hard for their fans to accept, it was for us, but they'll look back in a few years and see it for what it really is. 

 

Same will happen to us again in a decade or so. Just like manu and Liverpool before them. It's a shame, but a small Midlands town was never going to continuously compete with global clubs. No one outside the UK or their owners home country cares enough to support them. We'll find the same difficulties at some point, but our natural ceiling is larger, and Leicester have achieved quite a bit for a club and town it's size. 

I don't get this post at all. We don't have to say these kinds of things just because we're after one of their players.

Leicester typically do a great job with recruitment, I think they'll be fine and will be right there in and around the European slots.

Just now, gdm said:

 

Could see this being true. Something stinks.

1 minute ago, relámpago blanco said:

Yeah but will he score 10+ goals and get enough assists to mean he directly contributes to 20 league goals?

I already addressed this in a previous post on the last page.

3 minutes ago, toon25 said:

Madison is fantastic with the ball at his feet. 

He's decent with the ball, but Aouar has more flair in that department, he skins folks and leaves them behind. He's just a more dynamic dribbler that's all. 

1 minute ago, Joey47 said:

 

I agree with you on a lot but no way Aouar could match Maddison's attacking output in the prem.

 

Aouar and Maddison are very different types of players, although they would occupy the same position.

 

Aouar is better at dribbling (which is saying a lot), but I don't think he'll ever get to Maddison's level when it comes to shooting and passing.

 

Yes, I agree with you. I don't think he would match his output straight away at all, but he would improve us in that area with the potential to grow further. That was more what I was saying.

And you're right it would be in a very different way. Aouar is more dynamic on the ball like you said, and he creates more with through balls that open up teams, he also gets his goals more by getting into the box, rather than shooting from outside of the box like Maddison does.

Maddison would be class man, so I hate to come across like I have an issue with the guy. I just hope we will still have more funds to spend on the striker position in particular, and that would be perfect then.

5 minutes ago, Rich said:

 

 The new Weghorst.

Nah, man. Aouar is quality. We're going to end up with a top player anyway though, so it's all good.

The only thing making me slightly nervous about the Maddison fee is if the talk of a budget previously was accurate, there may be a chance we have decided to spend the rest of it all on Maddison due to his availability, and hold off on the striker and winger positions for now.

Right winger we can perhaps hold off on, but man I really think we need another striker. Wood has to be more of a third choice this season.

6 minutes ago, gdm said:

Let’s just enjoy what we are doing. 

Already way ahead of you doing just that my guy!

6 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

I’ve read a few reports this summer that no major club is in for Aourar due to his personality and discipline issues. Not sure how true of course.

Ah, okay. Interesting. Maybe that might be a factor then, although I haven't seen any of those reports.

1 hour ago, nufc123 said:

Based on what? Maddison has been one of the best attacking players in the league. The league nufc are playing in. I like Aouar but why hasnt he got out of Lyon yet. Maddison numbers are superior to Aouar.

Just a personal bias. I like Aouar a lot and personally would get him at a third of what we're looking to pay for Maddison, but that's just me.

Maddison is quality and would be a top signing. I just hope it doesn't mean we don't spend as much on a striker and right winger, or abandon those altogether for now.

1 hour ago, SUPERTOON said:

Had to laugh at you being slightly against this one after championing the likes of Dennis, Cornet and McNeil all summer ?

 

Not a dig either, I enjoy your posts and discussions ?

No problem I get it. Aouar and Brandt are just two players I like a lot personally, and they both happen to be available at great value this summer. Nothing against Maddison who is a baller too. But it seems we are prioritising Prem experience to add goals and assists to the team, which is fair enough.

If Leicester do add Aouar as a replacement, I'll be very nervous about how well he does for them in comparison, because I think his potential is huge, and he's still a couple of years younger than Maddison.

1 hour ago, McCormick said:

https://insidefutbol.com/2022/08/01/leicester-city-identify-replacement-for-newcastle-united-target-james-maddison/570929/
 

They’re looking at Aouar as a possible replacement according to this dubious source.

This tells me they are definitely comfortable with letting Maddison go, and have a full plan in place.

We're going to give them £50 million plus for Maddison and they are going to get Aouar for around £13 million.

Can't lie ... I think it's a genius move on their part, and they may well end up with a better player.

I'll ride with Howe's decision, but man ... I like Brandt and Aouar a lot and wish were looking at one of them instead.