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4 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

Eh. I thought Kaka was English 

My family is Nigerian. I'm from the land of Ameobi.

2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Fair enough Kaka, looks like some of this has been mutual misunderstanding - but I’d still ask you to rethink the notions of English people generally not wanting black players in the England side.  There are racists in England and racists in the press - but that doesn’t account for everyone

Yeah. Lets just leave it here, because it appears I'm just not doing a good job of getting my point across.

I would say this though, if you have any really good friends that are black and that you can really speak freely with. Just ask them what their thoughts are on what I said, I think you might be a bit saddened by what you hear from them.

4 minutes ago, Sean said:

Most people would simply take a step back, reflect and apologise for such a batshit crazy opinion aimed at most of the population of England 

 

 

 

Seen and heard too much man. I genuinely don't know anymore. Don't think it's simply a racism issue though, it's far more complicated than that.

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m happy to say that I can see where you’re coming from re African & SA players looking elsewhere - no-one should be putting up with racist abuse anywhere in life, let alone on a football pitch.

 

My point was always that I’m not bothered if English clubs can’t compete for the best players if it means we have better ownership models.  I’ve no issue re the nationality of the players playing for NUFC - and the money reducing wouldn’t see a reduction in the number of foreign-born players playing would be my guess.

 

I’m aware of course where tribalism can lead - but for me in football terms it’s mainly good-natured.  Go to the Sunderland thread if you want to see what I mean - that’s tribalism but it’s just piss-taking rather than venom. 

This is where the confusion has come from because I wasn't talking about that in the post you responded too, and so thought you were speaking about what I had said.

Just now, geordiesteve710 said:

 

Right, I see.

 

That clears that up then.

It really should. I just don't think you have the same kind of affinity for black players historically.

Completely different thing from you having a problem with every black person you see.

Just now, TheBrownBottle said:

I’ve never reported you nor anyone else - I’d rather just call you a prick and have done with it. ‘Don’t start with me’ - you’re not my mam.

 

You completely misinterpreted what I said and decided to call me a racist - and everyone else with the same nationality by proxy.  I said that I don’t care if the money leaves English football as I don’t watch it because of the money attracting the world’s best players.  I absolutely did not suggest that I wanted an all-white English league.   You decided to apply that interpretation. 

No. If I wanted to call you all racists I would have said exactly that. You guys throw that stuff around at each other all the time on here.

I said I don't believe most England fans want black players playing for them. I'm not an idiot man. I have been out watching games numerous times among fans. I know the kinds of things I have seen and heard, and no I do not think it is just a case of them being racist. You lot use that term way too loosely and flippantly. I believe there is some tribal element also involved in regard to international representation as well.

I was talking about African and South American players going elsewhere originally and not the world's best players, which is why I then drew the correlation on what you said in response to my post, when you then spoke of tribalism.

6 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Tribalism isn’t fucking racism you fucking tit.  I was talking about being from Newcastle therefore supporting Newcastle irrespective of the quality of the team you’re watching.  It isn’t fucking race-based.  People watching their local team regardless of whether they’re the world’s best side or bottom of the fourth division.

Which is why I separated the two things in the very thing you quoted, so don't start with me because when I respond in kind you'll all start getting over emotional about it and reporting me to get banned like last time.

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Why aren’t you understanding this? If you’d said “the racist actions of a number of England fans may drive black players away” nobody would have argued with you. You’ve called pretty much everyone out on here as being racist. It’s bizarre and nonsensical 

Easy for you to say when you're not the one that has to put up with the nonsense all the time. And for the record I did not call anyone racist and never even used the word. My response was to the guy that said it was a tribal thing, and I was following on from that, because I believe it is tied into that kind of thinking in some way.

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

It's obviously a problem and not limited to England either, but to make the claim that we all secretly don't want black players playing for England and just aren't being honest about it is quite the insane and offensive leap to be making like. 

Perhaps man, but I can't tell you how uncomfortable it is having to wrestle with these kind of thoughts when that stuff comes up.

I don't even know if it's a racism thing per se. or more what the one guy said about the tribalism of it all. The whole thing is just crazy to me to be honest.

Just now, Shearergol said:

Why am I even debating this?

 

It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

 

it’s this line people are objecting to. Nobody is claiming that racism doesn’t exist.

Well how do you expect black people to view the sort of reactions we continue to see?

No one is going to come out and say they do these things. So who are all these people doing this stuff and how can we really know how many are like this. 

It's a hell of a mind fuck that's for sure. I wouldn't want any child of mine having to deal with that at all.

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

To think this is also the person that thinks everyone's too sensitive these days

You think I'm bein sensitive?

We'll see man. I'm just looking at what I see going on around me.

Look back over my history I'm not one to go on about racism or anything like that.

I just think with the Saudi's throwing around the kind of money they are, you'll be increasingly be surprised by the calibre of players from Africa and South America that choose to start going there.

3 minutes ago, Hanshithispantz said:

I just don't see how you can jump to Saudi Arabia being the place to go 

Well most of these players are just looking for an opportunity to make a living with their skill. They'll definitely take that option more and more given the chance. Especially when these issues of abuse continue to be such a problem.

8 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

You’ve basically just told us that all England fans want rid of the black players. Fuck off man 

It's easy for you to rubbish it because your not the one that has to put up with those kind of stories all the time.

I would never advise any of those players to continue to put themselves through that. It's disgraceful.

Just now, Shearergol said:

Wow. Kaka goes full kaka

I'm telling you it's going to happen.

If in this day and age a kid as pleasant as Saka can still be getting racially abused by England fans, then for me there is absolutely no hope.

We also had the Vinicius drama this year and now this Gaultier nonsense. The Saudi option is a viable threat and these players are going to start opting for that instead.

27 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m ok with that, tbf.  I don’t follow Newcastle because of the players who play - it’s because I’m from Newcastle.  I was there watching football in the old second division which was unimaginably poor compared to what you’ll see today. Football is tribal; it isn’t about quality. 

Yeah, I think it's probably for the best for English football as I think most of you feel this way. It's part of the reason I don't think black players should play for England because I think deep down you guys don't really want it, but just aren't being honest about that.

I think things are getting so divisive now we'll eventually see most players of African origin in the Saudi/Middle Eastern leagues leagues and Europe will go back to having mostly Caucasian players.

20 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

Anyone worth buying?

If we are after a young right footed ball playing defender, they have that Tanguy Nianzou that they got from Bayern last year that is very highly rated. Believe he first came through the PSG  academy. 

15 minutes ago, Rafalove said:

 

 

Anyone who suffered discrimination under him or had their career held back because of the colour of their skin should have the right to sue. Potential jail time for those comments though I think is too much.

 

Similar I think too what happens here with Beardsley.

 

 

Anyway the comments are,  'You have built a team of scum. There are only blacks and half the team go to the mosque on Friday'

Saudis will be rubbing their hands. 

Going to start poaching a lot more players in their prime. It's going to be such an easy sell. Get paid 3 times more than they are on now, and not have to deal with all this nonsense.

'Only blacks' won't be an issue for too much longer. Just watch.

25 minutes ago, Hovagod said:

They’re using the club as and when they see fit. They’re using the ground to host a friendly that is part of their obvious and ongoing sportswashing project.

 

I mean, we can get as teary eyed as we like at the Robson quote, but we are happily letting the club being used for the purposes of bolstering the Saudi regime.

 

You might not care, you might care but have opted to accept it (I suppose I’m in this camp, and it was a stance I was attacked for when it was Mike Ashley who owned them), but you can’t say they’re not doing something that they are blatantly doing. I honestly think that an official announcement on this game will be a dark day for Newcastle United. It’s a confirmation of a strategy that we are going to be unable to distract ourselves from for much longer- no matter how many wor flag displays or Sam Fender wearing toon shirts at his gigs. 

 

 

To be honest I think it's just a matter of time now before you'll have your club back, and all these middle east owners leave, because they are going to build up their own leagues and more top players are going to head over there from much earlier on in their careers.

The world worships money and they have a ton of it. They are eventually going to takeover the game completely.

Between the increasing issues with their ownership and the increasing issues clubs in Europe have with accommodating players from different backgrounds, I think a lot of players, particularly players from Africa and South America are going to head out there initially, and soon many more will follow.

35 minutes ago, STM said:

Screenshot worked 

Looks good man. Enjoy it.

As already mentioned think that is the badge that features on the authentic kits.

1 minute ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Maybe overtime we can positively change their perspective through the club ? 

 

I mean a women's team is one small step in the right direction.

 

The fact Amanda has such a positive presence another?

 

 

This is one of the things that has to be appreciated about them is that their ownership is very much in the back ground and the running of the club is not influenced in any way by how they conduct things in their country.

In fact the running of the club is essentially being done by Amanda and Mehrdad, as well as the Reubens, in the best way they see fit, and the owners just sign off on stuff so the funds get released.

They're not really looking to run the club top to bottom at all. Mostly just backing Amanda/Mehrdad and the Reubens with funds. 

25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

If we are to abide by FFP we need to adopt a model similar to to the RB teams and Dortmund. Eg buying young players and selling high. Once you get a couple £70m sales you can really have fun. 
 

I think we spend a lot of money in this window anyway. 

Seems like we are doing just fine.

I agree, I think we will end up spending good money. We are just being very selective over who we ultimately move for.

Maddison wages likely made him less of a priority and Szoboszlai's release clause likely made him less of a priority also, once RB seemingly weren't willing to negotiate on that.

6 minutes ago, rgk_lfc said:

 

My best guess, if this transfer goes through, is that he is going to be the Salah replacement when the inevitable 100 or 200 million bid from the Saudi league arrives. We bought Diaz and then sold Mane, Gakpo before we released Firmino, and now Szoboszlai is the Salah replacement. 

Sheesh ... I could absolutely see that happening with Salah.

Seems your lot are struggling making money available for transfers.

Yeah, my mistake.

6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

The way I can sleep at night is basically, I don't choose where the money comes from, I wish it came from somewhere better.

 

Thinking of PIF as a financial investment fund who invests the money on Saudi Arabia provides a bit of separation, then the likes of Staveley provide even more. 

 

Also, the PL is full of dodgy money, so why shouldn't we have some. 

 

Also, fans are locked in and their club is something that can never belong to anyone but them.

 

It's not exactly a coherent position and I know maybe I should step away. But basically I can't, so I would rather the link to KSA was as remote as possible. 

 

 

 

And this is the cruel irony of this whole thing. Everyone's hands are dirty in this business.

Out of interest can anyone explain to me why Man City's Qatar ownership don't get anywhere near as much grief over these issues?!

2 minutes ago, Solitude20 said:

 

Yet you didn’t raise those concerns when we spent their money on those record transfer fees.
 

Honestly I don’t get it, how can you have no issues with spending their cash to reach where we are today, enjoying their success managing the club so far, looking forward to their future investments, and getting excited by the transformation of the club under their ownership, but if their national team plays at SJP, it suddenly becomes a step too far and only then would their human rights record matter. I don’t get it honestly. 

To me, it’s all the same. You either accept all of it or none if it. I wouldn’t go and happily accept those links that directly benefit the club and draw a line against the links that don’t. 

Pretty much how I see it too.

At least everything they are doing is strictly sports related. They are clearly trying to make Newcastle the most popular club for Saudi people to support, because that would have huge financial benefits.

Now lets say they started using SJP to host conferences or meetings outside of sports, for their regime or whatever, then of course that would be absolutely uncalled for, and would be a clear line that cannot be crossed.

This is strictly a sporting venture of theirs and should be completely separate from the practices that go on in their country, because ultimately this is how things ultimately work in numerous industries.

Having said that, if it's something that cannot be looked past, then it's better off for everyone if more efforts are put in to get them to leave.