KaKa

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

You are the one missing the point, a team that loses 60% of their goals from last season is taking a risk going into a new season. Obviously I’m talking about lower down clubs not the likes of city who can go out and replace the likes of Jesus for Haaland.

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one man.

A team setup the way Bruce had us setup, absolutely suffers if they lose players like you describe, because the team is just relying on individual brilliance from a player or two.

This is not what Palace are under Vieira. I'm arguing that the reason Zaha and Gallagher even performed so well last season is because of Vieira's setup, and so I envision others coming in and doing well enough to have them continue to perform well.

You don't agree with that assertion, and that's fine. We'll find out soon enough.

4 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Yet they still relied on him and Gallagher to get most of their goals, I don’t get how you are missing the point people are trying to make. If you take out 60% of a teams goals in one window it’s a concern going into next season. I’m not saying they won’t replace them and they may well not struggle at all but it’s by no means certain their replacements will produce similar numbers.

No ... you lot are the ones missing the point. You're assuming that those goals just disappear and no one else will be capable of replacing them.

I think the way Vieira has Palace playing they are going to continue to do well because they play with more initiative. They do not play a kind of Bruce/Hodgson ball, that just relies on a couple of players bailing them out all the time, while they sit in a low block all game.

I could easily see other players coming in and doing well in Vieira's setup for them to be just fine. They've been linked with both Ismaila Sarr and Emmanuel Dennis this summer as an example. Think both would do really well for him.

17 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

 

If Eze can match Gallaghers output last season, that will be great progress for the lad. I like Viera, but I think you're over rating him. While I don't disagree Zaha historically not being prolific, he's getting better each season (don't think Roma could afford him, tbh) and if CP have top 10 aspirations, they'll need to keep him. I haven't seen CP mentioned in any of the rumours pages with links to players of Zaha's quality. 

 

 

Benteke is shite, so, if Zaha leaves, they'll need these players to step up and probably find another two quality forwards to keep the momentum they built last year. 

I think this is ultimately what it comes down to.

I really liked what I saw from Palace last season. I think they gave every team they faced a really tough time, and it wasn't just down to Zaha and Gallagher. They were a very high energy and tenacious team.

Vieira walked into a team that had a bunch of players leaving with contracts coming to an end, and had to do a fair bit of a rebuild, and nailed it as a first time manager in the Prem. He finished comfortably in 12th and got to the FA Cup semi final too.

I think Vieira will only continue to get better, and make good decisions bringing players in, just like he did last season with Gallagher and Guehi, who were both class. Think there's a lot more to come from Edouard too.

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

How am I acting like that ? It’s an absolute massive risk for any club it particularly any club mid to bottom half to try and replace that many goals in one transfer window. Of course they will try and replace them but it’s not a guarantee. You’re acting as if it’s guaranteed Eze and Olise step up and provide double figures each for g/a.

I've seen much worse Palace teams with Hodgson at the helm stay up, with Zaha only scoring 4 goals the whole season. And there was no Gallagher in those teams either.

They were 13 points clear of the relegation zone last season. I doubt they drop all the way off from that into the relegation zone because Zaha leaves. I just don't see it at all.

There was far more to Palace last season under Vieira than just sitting back like they did under Hodgson, and then relying on Zaha producing some magic.

Just now, SUPERTOON said:

It is very risky though if they go into next season without the players that provided 60% of the teams goals last season 

You act as though there's no other players out there, or that the other players they have will just down tools. 

I think Eze and Olise step up next season, and even Edouard should be better going into his second year at the club. I don't think they suddenly fall off completely. No chance.

1 minute ago, The Bonk said:

 

To Palace in their current state? He's essential and unless they find someone of equal quality, they're fucked if he leaves. 

They're really not. This isn't Hodgson's Palace. Vieira is really good and knows what he's doing.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Zaha's best output was under Vieira, and it's no coincidence either that Gallagher did so well under him.

He'll get decent replacements in. It's not as if they stayed up by the skin of their teeth last season. They were 13 points clear of the relegation zone and just one point behind us in 12th place.

Just now, The Bonk said:

 

Eze is going to score 14 goals, @KaKa mate?  There's potential there, but he's not on Zaha's level. 

You act as though Zaha was scoring 14 goals every season, but he didn't. That us his best total ever. And yet Palace still survived when he didn't manage that sort of output.

I think Eze will get a lot more assists and will still score a decent amount himself. I rate him far more than Zaha. He just needs to stay fit and get a run of games in the first team. Eze's general play will open up far more opportunities and chances for the team on whole in general IMO.

1 minute ago, 54 said:

Only issue is, is that they would have lost both Gallagher and Zaha, and between the two of them they account for 20 of Palaces 50 goals last season, and it's a hard job trying to make up 40% of your attacking threat...

I'm sure they'll bring in replacements though. Zaha is not irreplaceable at all.

43 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

That's Palace lower down the table, if true. He's a snide cunt, but easily their best and most attacking player (dat fret). 

I couldn't disagree more. Zaha is quite easily replaceable IMO.

As a matter of fact Eze will be fully recovered from his injury next season and will nicely slot into that left side with Olise on the other.

I think Eze will easily match Zaha's output. Most seasons Zaha typically had pretty mediocre goals or assists totals.

Would be a smart move to get a bunch of money for him as he goes into his thirties.

16 minutes ago, McCormick said:

Speaking on young players; I think a few of us are writing off Willock a bit too soon as well. I get that his passing has been a bit shaky but the guy is still 21 and had just made a big move up from London, had no preseason and by all accounts was dealing with some injuries.
 

Despite that he still played well enough to keep Bruno out of the team for a bit and we achieved a lot of great results with him starting. This could be his season, hopefully.

I think Willock under Howe will eventually become a main player in the team. Probably won't start this season, but he's going to play a lot and eventually he'll break into the team. Still just 22 years old and so time is on his side.

10 minutes ago, joeyt said:

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one of the dodgiest transfers going was him joining Wolves for £35mil in my opinion

 

Guess he's still young

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it was a wonder kid purchase based on potential. Shockingly he's still just 19 years old. 

The Anderlecht loan move is a really good one. The mistake is that they should have been doing this with him already.

I think he still has a really good chance of becoming a really good player. He needs to be playing though, and they've finally realised that.

6 minutes ago, Andybiotics said:

Not that long ago Chelsea were knocking back bids from Bayern for him.

The money in the game in this country has made people and clubs very lazy when looking at younger players.

One of my favourite things about Howe is that he has always looked closely at younger players with talent not getting an opportunity in this country. I think it's a huge area that can be exploited especially with the so called top six clubs that let so many talents go way too early.

The German clubs started taking advantage of it, and both AC Milan and Roma benefitted from it last season now too. We have to keep a close eye on these sorts of players too.

I'm sure if we had been taken over a year earlier and the club had gone for Tomori and Abraham there would have been people on here bitching. To buy those two now you would need to spend over £100 million.

38 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

Hudson-Odoi would be a no from me.  Only got into that Chelsea team because Lampard couldn't buy anyone else and once they could he barely played. He's not a top half Premier League level player. 

Shockingly bad take on Hudson-Odoi, and incredibly poor reasoning for writing him off as a top half player at 21 years old. There's no way you've actually watched him play.

Just now, LFEE said:

EH wanted 3 no more than 4 added to the group on top of MT, so that leaves us looking for a young CF and a forward that can play wide. We’ll possibly spend another £60m. £70m max if we move 4 more out.

Some people just don't listen when Howe and the owners speak. They've convinced themselves it's all a ruse to hood wink other clubs before we spend a billion this window.

1 hour ago, WillingtonMag said:

We have more money than every team in England combined its happening.

29 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

Be more surprised if we don't tbh.

Prepare to be surprised  

13 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

Still think we'll spend at least another £120 million but wouldn't be surprised if its more.

4 minutes ago, STM said:

My initial reaction to both links is interesting. I was far more excited by the idea of Gordon than CHO. Yet, I'm entirely aware that CHO is far more talented (skills wise) than Gordon.

The thing is, if they both switched teams, none of us would likely know who Gordon was as Tuchel probably wouldn't even have him in the first team, and CHO would have done more with all those Everton minutes, playing further up the pitch as a proper wide man and not a wing back IMO.

5 minutes ago, gdm said:

CHO feels like the kinda player we’d loan under Ashley. By and large a disappointment at Chelsea. 

He's got lost under all the players Chelsea keep buying in those wide areas and upfront, which has meant he often got played at right wing back, to try and fit him in.

I like him. He's not just an out and out winger but comes inside when playing on either side, and plays with his head up and always has some nice passing interchanges with players around him. Also has the pace and trickery to beat a man.

Tuchel doesn't really make good use of him at all and overlooks him, and so we could well get him on an initial loan with an obligation at a decent price next summer. Think he could end up being another Tammy Abraham or Tomori type situation where they let a really good young talent go.

1 hour ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

I've seen enough of him to make my own mind up. Like I say, the SPL is a shit league so it's quite difficult to gauge how good any of them are when compared with established PL players.

Fair enough. I'm not saying he's world class or anything but the whole celebrity game description was completely wrong.

Also, yes it is a poorer league, but the first step in having a chance elsewhere is standing out in it, and he has certainly done that. His ratings in the middle were always really good in Scotland and more significantly, in their European games.

https://www.whoscored.com/Players/342877/Show/Joe-Ayodele-Aribo

I think Southampton is a decent next step for him. He'll do well there. £6 million is outstanding value.

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

From what I've seen, I'd be more than happy with Harrison like. Much lower risk than Diaby as well.

I think he's quality. If they had gone down he would have been here already, as I believe he had a release clause.

Leeds are in good shape financially though, and the Raphinha sale is also going to give them a lot of funds, so not sure they'll let Harrison leave unfortunately.

Did Gordon come up through the Everton academy? Would be an incredibly bad decision for them to sell if so. He should be the one current untouchable that they should be looking to make a key piece of their team.

So happy we didn't end up getting him even in January. 

£35 million for Gordon has me shook. Kid is talented, but man, seems a bit much. Would have preferred more accomplished alternatives from the continent with that money.

There's probably some desire to get some British players when possible, but even then, think I'd go for Hudson Odoi over Gordon, and I'm not sure it would even cost as much. Or Noni Madueke who is from these shores as well. 

1 hour ago, The Butcher said:

Forest doing a Fulham. Buying a brand new team just to get relegated. 

Really like the signings they are making. Think they'll have a chance. it's going to be very tough though. Especially with Fulham and Bournemouth being the other two teams coming up.