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This is just so typical man, of course they're missing these chances 

Silva has been just as bad as DeBruyne was.

I cannot stand Man City as it is, this game is making things so much worse.

6 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

 

Not when Bruno, Isak and Gordon leave for teams playing in Europe

What are you on about man?! You cannot be serious?

Man, this summer is going to be unbearable on here if this result holds.

Rodri is shooting from half way ...

32 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

It's pretty important if you play with one man upfront, I'd say, but I bow down to your vastly superior knowledge.

 

I don't think any other team in the top 8 would take him. I like his all-round game, he's a handful, but I'd keep Wilson if he was the alternative. 

It was the reason a number of teams passed on Isak. It isn't the be all and end all, especially when a player is in a poor team, and has shown much better numbers when the team was better.

Agree to disagree though. Let's see how things pan out.

Amrabat coming into that midfield in the last week's of the season and tightening things up for them in there has likely got them the FA Cup and Europe now man.

Just unbelievable really.

This is so impossibly awful.

Can't even be upset at Man Utd. They are beating them all ends up, fair and square.

Pep has completely screwed us over here with this shit lineup with no wingers, and terrible slow over passing.

1 minute ago, STM said:

Deserved that for City's pathetic style of play. Passing the ball around far too slow.

 

I know the way they play is effective but fuck me it's boring.

I hate the way they play so much man.

They have so much space out wide and aren't playing anyone that can beat a man in those areas.

Just this insufferable slow paced over passing back through the middle every time.

53 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

I think his goalscoring record reflects that, too. My goodness, man. 

Ah, hear we go again. The good old goal scoring record.

The answer to everything. 

6 minutes ago, Checko said:

Assuming the stats are reasonably accurate he's only scored about 3/4 of the goals he should have done based on the quality of chances over a 7 year period. That's not a great finishing record.

So you agree he is abysmal at finishing then yeah?

Okay, well if he signs we'll see how it all plays out in our team.

4 minutes ago, Checko said:

Tbf, accoring to football reference he has scored 53 goals from 67 xG in the seasons since they've been recording xG

 

and 5 of those were penalties (from 6 taken)

 

https://fbref.com/en/players/59e6e5bf/Dominic-Calvert-Lewin

 

EDIT: 48 goals from 62.5 non penalty xG

 

Everton fans were saying he's not very clinical on their forum

 

 

 

Abysmal at finishing?

18 minutes ago, Pablo123 said:

And the fact he's abysmal at finishing. I've list count the amount of huge chances I've seen him miss in recent seasons.

Abysmal at finishing, because you saw him missing some big chances? My goodness man.

12 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

The same Sean Dyche that got double figures out of Chris Wood in his four full seasons in the Premier League before joining us…

 

Calvert-Lewin’s is in an awful run of form and has been for years, Howe might turn that around but the risk is all on the club, as if he can’t we are lumbered with an injury prone player that we will struggle to move on.

 

Let's see what happens man. Agree to disagree.

Never a fan of basing signings on stats from the previous season though. Gordon's stats were nothing to rave about and people thought we were crazy when we signed Isak for what we did, based of his stats the season before too.

Just now, Matt1892 said:

He has 14 league goals in 67 appearances for Everton over the last 3 season, with 5 of the 14 goals coming from the penalty spot.

 

 

Lampard and Dyche ...

12 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

 

But he is injury prone? And that was implied in the message I quoted (ie making reference to Wilson's own record as a comparative), so why go for someone who has that in there make up, when we have our pick of 95% of the strikers out there? 

 

If his injury record isn't as bad is made out, why is his goal record not as good as it should be?

 

Something doesn't add up...

I pretty much spoke on each of these points in my first post on this ...

11 hours ago, KaKa said:

This DCL move seems very very opportunistic and cunning.

 

I hated the idea of him as the main guy when we were being linked and it looked like either him or Isak, but this is very different. He'll be joining as a rotation option and sometimes partner to Isak.

 

His stock is at an all time low right now. Been stuck in an awful team, not scoring as much, and last year of his contract. The supposed fee of £25 million is an absolute steal.

 

His physical profile, work rate and character are all great fits. He's still just 27 and gives us much of what we'd lose with Wilson going.

 

The one thing that really sticks out to me with DCL, was that period under Ancelotti when he looked absolutely incredible. Ancelotti raved about him at the time, and it's worth going back and reading some of those quotes.

 

The downside is the injuries, but as already mentioned, it doesn't actually look as bad, looking back over the last few seasons. Also, to get a back up of this kind of experience and ability, you probably will need a bit of compromise somewhere. Having two starting quality strikers, that we won't be running into the ground probably works for both, as even Isak doesn't look like he's suited to that.

 

I think this move only happens if Wilson is sold and we get some money for him. And so DCL would be a direct replacement. Even when we weren't sure Wilson was set to leave, there was talk of a younger, developmental striker coming in, and so could still see that happening also.

 

If we end the summer with Isak, DCL and a young developmental prospect that's a cheaper wonder kid type in the Minteh profile, that would be a great position to be in.

But fair enough if folks don't agree. Let's wait and see how it all plays out.

2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Ask Steve Nickson that’s what he gets paid for and the Dutch bloke we employed to comb the continent. 
 

The blokes a walking sick note and will command massive wages to be a 2nd choice striker, far better spending it on someone versatile who can play across the front 3 and also cover for Isak.

I disagree with your premise.

His record shows he hasn't been anywhere near as much of a 'sicknote' as people have claimed.

And if we do sign him it won't be on wages that can't be accommodated.

Guess we'll have to wait and see. If we do sign him though, I see it being a successful move.

Just now, Thumbheed said:

 

Well, we're having to replace him for that very same reason. 

 

I'd be extremely happy with a version of an injury free Wilson, however that's not the reality and it's impacting us so why replicate it?

Wilson's situation has worsened significantly this season and he is 32 and in the last year of his deal, and so makes no sense persisting with him.

DCL is 27 and has not been anywhere near as injury problems as Wilson has been for us of late. There's no comparison.

11 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

There’s some folk on here just happy to sign any fucker, not a fan of DCL think we can do a lot better and show a bit more imagination.

Can we have some names please?

Who would be as you say, 'a lot better and more imaginative', as a replacement for Wilson as a rotation striker?

17 minutes ago, OCK said:

Replacing Wilson with another injury prone striker isn't exactly the move I was thinking of

When we signed Wilson he was an injury prone striker. Would you say it's been a worthwhile signing or no?

33 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

The Calvert-Lewin nonsense reminds me of Kalvin Phillips, everyone was giving it the big one, then when it didn't happen, and he was a total fail, those same people saying good job he didn't come here 

Why the assumption that it goes the same way for Philips at Newcastle? In a totally different setup from West Ham and Moyes?

1 hour ago, Paulinho said:

We’d be pissing ourselves if Villa or Man Yow or Spurs went for him.

Speak for yourself buddy. You just don't get it.

3 minutes ago, SteV said:

It is a poor return, but Everton have been dog shit for those seasons.

 

The previous two seasons, when they were better, with a far better squad, he had 29 in 62 starts.

People are still so caught up in goal scoring figures without any context.

Both Wilson and Isak have far outperformed their numbers before joining us.

Such a simplistic way to look at things.

This DCL move seems very very opportunistic and cunning.

I hated the idea of him as the main guy when we were being linked and it looked like either him or Isak, but this is very different. He'll be joining as a rotation option and sometimes partner to Isak.

His stock is at an all time low right now. Been stuck in an awful team, not scoring as much, and last year of his contract. The supposed fee of £25 million is an absolute steal.

His physical profile, work rate and character are all great fits. He's still just 27 and gives us much of what we'd lose with Wilson going.

The one thing that really sticks out to me with DCL, was that period under Ancelotti when he looked absolutely incredible. Ancelotti raved about him at the time, and it's worth going back and reading some of those quotes.

The downside is the injuries, but as already mentioned, it doesn't actually look as bad, looking back over the last few seasons. Also, to get a back up of this kind of experience and ability, you probably will need a bit of compromise somewhere. Having two starting quality strikers, that we won't be running into the ground probably works for both, as even Isak doesn't look like he's suited to that.

I think this move only happens if Wilson is sold and we get some money for him. And so DCL would be a direct replacement. Even when we weren't sure Wilson was set to leave, there was talk of a younger, developmental striker coming in, and so could still see that happening also.

If we end the summer with Isak, DCL and a young developmental prospect that's a cheaper wonder kid type in the Minteh profile, that would be a great position to be in.

12 minutes ago, STM said:

What would be interesting, is how Pope reacts to us signing a shiny new keeper. 

 

Whether we like it or not, Pope becomes expendable. Not because he's a bad keeper but because he still holds financial value. If a reasonable offer came in and Pope was offered number 1 elsewhere, it's hard to see how that deal wouldn't happen.

 

We would be in a position where we needed to find a number 2.... presumably late on in the window.

 

Not sure an overhaul of our goalkeeping department was something I expected this summer.

Howe rubbished reports of him being unsettled or expendable after the match today, for what it's worth.