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Are you talking about the Luque before the serious injury and mistreatment or the Luque prior to those events? He's talking about the actual Luque, not the hypothetical world beater. This is where you lot are failing to understand the argument and so there is no point continuing it. Are you talking about the Luque before the serious injury and mistreatment or the Luque prior to those events? He's talking about the actual Luque, not the hypothetical world beater. This is where you lot are failing to understand the argument and so there is no point continuing it. You're building a Luque who never existed, a Luque who should have taken Shearer's place in the team. The actual Luque was there and did nothing to earn his wages or justify his price tag. It's as simple as that. Again, you were about 7 at the time and you're completely ignoring what you've just been told by VI - who saw plenty of him. I was roughly 34 at the time and fully concur with what the 7-year-old said. I, unlike you, was sat just behind the dug-out at Spurs when he refused to warm up (for the game Owen was crocked in, as I recall) because he was on the bench. Terry Mac had to physically push him onto the pitch. Luque was a disgrace. End of. You rate Steven Taylor, you've clearly never been that close to a footie pitch.

No, you're solidly average - good.

Where have all these completely crap posters come from?

I can't laugh at the fact that we're basically begging to be relegated.

I said 3 years ago that Faye was the ideal partner for Coloccini, shame it never happened.

The overall comparison is completely irrelevant, man. It's that type of sentimental garbage that contributed to us going down. The 05-06 comparison is relevant.

Are you talking about the Luque before the serious injury and mistreatment or the Luque prior to those events? He's talking about the actual Luque, not the hypothetical world beater. This is where you lot are failing to understand the argument and so there is no point continuing it. You're building a Luque who never existed, a Luque who should have taken Shearer's place in the team. The actual Luque was there and did nothing to earn his wages or justify his price tag. It's as simple as that. Again, you were about 7 at the time and you're completely ignoring what you've just been told by VI - who saw plenty of him.

You've just been told by someone who saw plenty of him that he was a very good player when he joined us in 2005. He was never given a chance to prove it, not really. The blame can't fall at Shearer's door, it falls at the door of those who stupidly picked him when it was obvious he wasn't up to it anymore. Someone on here wrote a brilliant and heavy-hearted article after the mackems 3-2 game in 05 about the immediate need to drop him. Really summed the situation up well.

It's almost laughable.

They're right, btw. He looked very good.

He got 7 PL goals from open play despite starting all season. Leon Best will easily better that despite not playing till January. How the hell is that even relevant? Don't answer - it isn't. And the penalties argument is something i've heard from a Mackems and Smoggies - so don't stoop to that level. It's just as stupid as your second sentence. Shearer should have been replaced as soon as Sir Bobby was - i can't deny that. But that wasn't his fault and he just got on with it. Compare him to some of the some of the turgid s**** since... he scored more goals in that year than any one of Owen, Martins and Viduka, Sibierski the following years - and more than Shola, Lovenkrands and Best (there's a reason he didn't play till January) this year. So to even bring him into this circle of debate is a f***ing joke, even in his last season. So you agree with me in principal? Not sure why you dared to challenge me, tbh.

So how is looking average against Man U in his first PL game even approaching relevant?

It proves that Shearer's place in the team shouldn't have been anywhere near as secure as it was. In 04-05, he managed 4 from open play in an entire PL season. He was done and shouldn't have been in the first Xl unless it was unavoidable.

I'll ask you again, when did he look 'average'?

He got 7 PL goals from open play despite starting all season. Leon Best will easily better that despite not playing till January.

Then against Fulham, Souness farmed him out on the wing to preserve f***ing Shearer's place in the team. Sound familiar? "f***ing" Shearer's place in the team? Had he not earned that place? Luque wasn't class at all either, he was average and very quickly turned to utter dog s*** after his return from injury. A disastrous signing. In which games was he average?

And every one of them was at some point highly rated on here. Perhaps not O'Brien, but the others certainly.

I'd rather watch paint dry in church. Easily the worst scenario anyone could come up with; well done!

Then against Fulham, Souness farmed him out on the wing to preserve fucking Shearer's place in the team. Sound familiar?

Luque showed more than flashed of his ability. But come on, the lad had absolutely no chance with Souness, Roeder and Allardyce in charge.

Luque wanted to do well here, it just didn't happen for him. His injury didn't help, or the fact he just wasn't suited to the pace of this league and never got the chance to truly adapt.

Everyone apart from Alan Shearer knew of Ben Arfa.

The club's judgement has been shown to be fallible. If Krul was chosen to be Harper's deputy instead Forster on merit, it means very little. It could of course just mean they wanted to see how Forster would perform at a big club for a season before getting the No.1 spot.

Lionel Perez was a good keeper in his time, he shouldn't be there.

This, but Bramble in for Campbell. Possible take out Butt and add in Daglish Wait for it.... Why bother. Huntington and O'Brien are the worst CBs I can remember. Karelse Ramage Huntington O'Brien Quinn Pancrate Faye Smith Brady Pattinson Lovenkrands