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Of course it does ffs, are you daft? Let's look at what happened here - You laughed at the suggestion that we probably have the 8th most valuable squad in the league. Not just disagreed with it, you laughed at it. This obviously implies that you think that its far from the truth. It would be a strange thing to laugh at if you believed we had the 9th most valuable squad in the league, for example. You say that "We spent the utter minimum we can." -as if this somehow backs up your point (You think we have far from the 8th most valuable squad in the premier league). Is Arsenal's squad of inherently lower value because they have a low net spend too? No, let's not be stupid. Now squad value is not anywhere near an exact science but there are some factors that we can look at to get an objective view: salary (the big one) and transfermarkt values, even, yes, net spend/feed paid but they have to be looked at within context. To sum up, you're talking utter s**** as usual. Calm Down Petal You get what you pay for pretty much - fair enough there might be the odd anomaly - but generally the rule of thumb is correct. There's generally a reason why a player who costs £0.5m costs that much - and if you think our squad is really that valuable - apart from the obvious clues on the pitch - just take a look at the bench. and before you start talking utter rubbish about what players are ''worth'' against what they cost - think about it for a second. There's a reason they are still playing for one of the least ambitious teams in the country. (I mean this season - our best player has been a loanee ffs, that's mackemesque!) How many squads beyond the top six would you say are better than ours? Everton probably, after that I think you'd struggle to name many. Southampton, Hull and possibly Villa are the only teams above us at the moment that don't have better squads. They all play top 6 teams this weekend so if we put in a performance we'd likely move above them or close the gap. I'm not really talking about where we are placed in any given week, I'm thinking more about where we should expect to finish come the end of the season. We are talking about the relative merits of our squad compared to the rest of the division. So again, the question is: how many teams outside the top six have a better squad than us? The league table as it stands is all we have to judge whether our squad is performing at the level you would expect though. Clearly last season it wasn't. The season before it excelled. This season, so far, we're as you'd expect.

Terrible post, you've lamely skirted around all the issues I raised with your "point" Here look : http://www.transferleague.co.uk/ on the front page there is a table of premier league squads valued by transfer fees paid. Funnily: Were 8th. So even by your own conditions you are still wrong. In that table the amount separating 12 places from Villa (7th) to Palace (20th) is just £72m. The amount separating the one place from Villa (7th) to Arsenal (6th) is £89m. Clearly the top 6 is a cut above EVERYONE else in the league and the rest are all very much in similar boats. http://i42.tinypic.com/w811yx.jpg There's a valid argument that 7th to 12th should form a group in the middle of the table distinct from the bottom 8, and Newcastle should be in that group.

Of course it does ffs, are you daft? Let's look at what happened here - You laughed at the suggestion that we probably have the 8th most valuable squad in the league. Not just disagreed with it, you laughed at it. This obviously implies that you think that its far from the truth. It would be a strange thing to laugh at if you believed we had the 9th most valuable squad in the league, for example. You say that "We spent the utter minimum we can." -as if this somehow backs up your point (You think we have far from the 8th most valuable squad in the premier league). Is Arsenal's squad of inherently lower value because they have a low net spend too? No, let's not be stupid. Now squad value is not anywhere near an exact science but there are some factors that we can look at to get an objective view: salary (the big one) and transfermarkt values, even, yes, net spend/feed paid but they have to be looked at within context. To sum up, you're talking utter s**** as usual. Calm Down Petal You get what you pay for pretty much - fair enough there might be the odd anomaly - but generally the rule of thumb is correct. There's generally a reason why a player who costs £0.5m costs that much - and if you think our squad is really that valuable - apart from the obvious clues on the pitch - just take a look at the bench. and before you start talking utter rubbish about what players are ''worth'' against what they cost - think about it for a second. There's a reason they are still playing for one of the least ambitious teams in the country. (I mean this season - our best player has been a loanee ffs, that's mackemesque!) How many squads beyond the top six would you say are better than ours? Everton probably, after that I think you'd struggle to name many. Southampton, Hull and possibly Villa are the only teams above us at the moment that don't have better squads. They all play top 6 teams this weekend so if we put in a performance we'd likely move above them or close the gap.

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Will be interesting like. The 12 game average for Newcastle over the same period is 16 points so he'll need to win 2 of the next 4. Or win one and draw 3 We took 4 points from the corresponding fixtures last year, and probably deserved 5, so it's not out of the question.

The fact is that we have a shit manager who shouldn't be anywhere near the club, anything else makes no difference. As for the shitty graphs, I don't know if they are facts because I don't look at them in enough detail, I see the graph and move on. So you happily criticise stuff without paying any attention? Why should I trust your view of Pardew if that's the case?

Aye, facts ain't welcome round these here backward parts.

I don't think you're massively wrong, his bullshit goes two ways. He's trying to tell everybody that he's doing a good job and it's in his interest if Ashley thinks that he's doing a good job with what he's got. http://i40.tinypic.com/11jz04z.jpg He's above average for the past 13 year. Perhaps he's lowering opponents expectations. Having an opposition underestimate us certainly worked in 11/12.

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Is this a comedy alter ego, like Piers Morgan on Twitter?

Have a word with yourself. http://i1.cdnds.net/13/39/618x450/uktv-it-crowd-finale-matt-berry-as-douglas.jpg "Check your privilege!"

at all of this No-one loves Pardew, that should be abundantly clear. Anyone claiming it should re-read the arguments. Seems to me there are a minority of posters who look objectively at what Pardew has done right and wrong. Some of them want him sacked, some don't see the point in that. There are a large majority who will countenance no rebuttal to the shit stream of Pardew related bile and get angry that anyone would try and provide some balance. Check yourselves!

That article is from weeks ago. Krul Holland Debuchy France Santon Italy Coloccini Argentina Yanga Mbiwa France Cabaye France Anita Holland Tiote Ivory Coast Sissoko France Remy France Cisse Senegal Ben Arfa France Gutierrez Argentina Except Gutierrez, all fairly current Internationals. We shouldn't be playing in a style comparable to Dave Bassett's teams but we did for the majority of last season. Some of those didn't make the current squads and most of them didn't start games. We've got a couple of internationals who play when they're fit....if that. Remarkable to read the stick given individually to Jonas, Cisse, Tiote etc. on the one hand but then to read they are top internationals that exemplify Pardew's inability. It doesn't matter if they werent selected this week, last month or whenever. They are all International players which generally means they're not League 2 clogger standard. Yet the manager last season wanted them to play in a style akin to that. Only when Williamson, Simpson Taylor and co were getting games. Ever since the January window we've tried to play a game more befitting their upgrades.

That article is from weeks ago. Krul Holland Debuchy France Santon Italy Coloccini Argentina Yanga Mbiwa France Cabaye France Anita Holland Tiote Ivory Coast Sissoko France Remy France Cisse Senegal Ben Arfa France Gutierrez Argentina Except Gutierrez, all fairly current Internationals. We shouldn't be playing in a style comparable to Dave Bassett's teams but we did for the majority of last season. Some of those didn't make the current squads and most of them didn't start games. We've got a couple of internationals who play when they're fit....if that. Remarkable to read the stick given individually to Jonas, Cisse, Tiote etc. on the one hand but then to read they are top internationals that exemplify Pardew's inability.

The "team full of internationals" bollocks is a bit over played here like. As if other clubs are struggling with pub team players... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2417511/Premier-League-club-guide-players-returning-international-duty.html We've hardly got a pedigree that puts the majority to shame.

No one answer. Kinnear reads here. We'll go after them.

http://eplindex.com/42161/newcastle-united-started.html Some Interesting thoughts on how individuals have performed this year. Debuchy in particular clearly pisses on Danny Simpson in terms of tackling and headed clearances. Still can't believe people argue the latter was better.

This reminds me of the way Ashley pissed off the other shirt sellers by undercutting their prices and then turning whistle blower against the price fixing. Undoubtedly good for us fans to pay less for the shitty product he serves up, but will really piss off those other clubs with smaller capacities than ours....and those with bigger stadiums that can still draw a crowd paying top whack.

The spending chat just came from the suggestion Ashley ever spent heavily on the club and then withdrew from doing so. Never been the case afaic. The benefit to Ashley of prioritising player wages over manager is that better players have greater sell on value and are more than happy to jump ship.

We spent less then than we did in 11/12 http://i39.tinypic.com/2r2lu3b.jpg You've missed two off that first one: Parker out, Barton in. Spend probably about the same though. 7 June 2007 when Ashley took the controlling stake in the club. Parker's sale was completed on June 6th and Barton's signing on 14th June, so by rights, Ashley could claim to have spent £6m more than I've given credit for. But you're probably right, Ashley would have been consulted before we signed anyone during hi take-over bid that began in May.

We spent less then than we did in 11/12 http://i39.tinypic.com/2r2lu3b.jpg

When was that?

Mentioning Kinnear struck a chord with me there. I've not been going off it with Kinnear in particular either. He's not going to become a good DOF or all of a sudden start presenting a professional face for the club. But that's because he is Joe Kinnear. Ashley is to blame for giving him a job. Joe Kinnear can't be blamed for being the Joe Kinnear everyone knows he is. Same with Pardew, and almost every other appointment Ashley makes....or will ever make. I know Ashley's clueless about football, which is why I like to keep pointing it out by ridiculing his choice of managerial staff. If Kinnear and Pardew are the answer, then Graham Carr is the wrong question. It's all utterly bizarre. So would your preference be for 50,000 in the stadium to be chanting "Pardew Out!" every fortnight? I would see that as needlessly destabilising to the players and other football staff and inviting undue media scrutiny when the owner cannot be trusted to make a football decision if he capitulates to the pressure.

Agreed. But then it doesn't mean we have to all sit back and accept it. If he's appointing his mates to run our football club and they aren't doing a good job why should we let Pardew or Kinnear off the hook? They are getting paid to manage Newcastle, with it there comes certain expectations. If they aren't up to it, then they should expect criticism. Paid properly... According to the sun Pardews 8 year contract is with 25 million http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4560310/Alan-Pardew-signs-eight-year-contract-at-Newcastle.html What I can see of the article suggests (if £25m is accurate) that it's between Pardew and 3 other backroom staff. We also know how heavily Ashley stacks contracts towards incentives so half of that £3m a year the 4 men potentially share will rarely be paid out. So it's still true that Everton, who paid a £4m a year base salary to Moyes, see the value of paying what it takes for a good manager. Ashley still seems to view the manager as someone who's there to set the cones up, and pays accordingly.

Mentioning Kinnear struck a chord with me there. I've not been going off it with Kinnear in particular either. He's not going to become a good DOF or all of a sudden start presenting a professional face for the club. But that's because he is Joe Kinnear. Ashley is to blame for giving him a job. Joe Kinnear can't be blamed for being the Joe Kinnear everyone knows he is. Same with Pardew, and almost every other appointment Ashley makes....or will ever make.