NG32

Not sure he reads the board mate. Bishop does that for him.

Paul Lambert is going to engineer some mega wins and turn that little fat fella they have into a robust goal scorer.

:lol: But they are happy with John Carver.

Eh :lol:

Its amazing what 1 win has done for us, lose to Bournemouth next week and we'll be hanging ourselves again.

Southampton and WBA look absolutely shot to bits at the moment. Stoke are just crawling along, I think Huddersfield and Brighton can still score goals and can get decent results through to the end of the season.

Just ran my predictor - I have us staying up on 40pts which takes us to a 10th place finish. My bottom three are: Stoke Southampton WBA

Southampton and Huddersfield at home in the next few weeks are absolutely massive.

When will clubs learn to hate Pardew straight away? :lol:

If it wasn't for that total loss of form where we had an 8 game losing streak we could have been sitting fairly pretty in the league.

Feeling much better but Ill lower my relegationometer reading when I see how we go about the Bournemouth away game.

Form what the lads tell me there is constant investment in the location and site. Id image this Ireland location would be a loop hole they could potentially use to get around any possible tariffs if we don't get an agreement with the EU. They would be mental to completely relocate that factory, it would be suicide for a decade or more until all the new workers are at the same level of skills and experience as the current workers, let alone setting up the production lines from scratch and making sure all the robots and machinery are operating at 100%. The best way for the car companies to continue as is, is for the UK and EU to come to an agreement on trade and movement of goods. You seem to have made the assumption that Nissan operates in Sunderland and nowhere else. They have a huge presence in Barcelona, where the majority of their vans are currently made. The infrastructure is already there, so I'd imagine it's not beyond the wit of one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world to transfer production from one site to another realtively quickly and with little impact on their production process. If it becomes financially unviable to ship parts to the UK from suppliers elsewhere in Europe, and if it becomes increasingly difficult to remain competitive across Europe then what incentive is there to remain? You can whack another couple of grand onto the cost of making a Qashqai in Sunderland based on the governments own figures, and that's before you even consider tarrifs. The thing that really vexes me is that this corner of the country has a long, long history of reliance on industry that sharp f***s off the minute the economics of a particular situation changes. You'd think we'd be wise to that now. Not sticking our fingers in our ears and hoping it won't happen yet again. No, Nissan has the most efficient and productive car plant in Europe located in Sunderland, it would be difficult to suddenly switch all that production from one plant to another and even more difficult to create a new factory from scratch. Even if you switch the production to another existing plant, Nissan cars or a Renault factory producing Nissan cars there's decades worth of manufacturing experience that would be lost and would take years to catch up on. If you switch it to an existing plant then you'll still have to create all the production lines from scratch as I would assume they would not want the current lines affected which would impact their production levels at that current plant and impact car sales. We've seen heavy industry leave these shores and bugger off to all parts with little regard for the apparent experience or expertise of those left behind when the economics change. Why is Nissan apparently immune to these same market forces? Access to Europe was the carrot waved in 1982 to get Nissan to set up shop in Sunderland in the first place. Over the last 30 years they have repeatedly said that not having that access could impact on the long term viability of the Sunderland plant and understandably so. They have suppliers all over Europe that send parts to Sunderland, and the majority of the vehicles built there are then shipped back to the EU. Whack tariffs on importing and exporting goods between the EU and UK, and there will be tariffs if we leave the SM/CU, then the Sunderland plant isn't so efficient. There's some poor b****** in Yokohama with a massive spreadsheet, furiously trying to work all this out and decide whether over the next 30 years it'll work out cheaper to pitch their tent somewhere else within the EU or continue as things are. Maybe I'm less sanguine about this because I live a literal stones throw from Nissan, plenty of my mates work there or for suppliers and the impact of the plant shutting down or even scaling down operations would be f***ing disasterous. At the best of times walking around Washington is like a George A. Romero film, it would be end of days stuff if one of the biggest employers naffed off. Not forgetting all the government subsidies they have had here over the years to invest in that plant. Ill say they aren't going to move lock stock and barrel from that plant.

Form what the lads tell me there is constant investment in the location and site. Id image this Ireland location would be a loop hole they could potentially use to get around any possible tariffs if we don't get an agreement with the EU. They would be mental to completely relocate that factory, it would be suicide for a decade or more until all the new workers are at the same level of skills and experience as the current workers, let alone setting up the production lines from scratch and making sure all the robots and machinery are operating at 100%. The best way for the car companies to continue as is, is for the UK and EU to come to an agreement on trade and movement of goods. You seem to have made the assumption that Nissan operates in Sunderland and nowhere else. They have a huge presence in Barcelona, where the majority of their vans are currently made. The infrastructure is already there, so I'd imagine it's not beyond the wit of one of the biggest car manufacturers in the world to transfer production from one site to another realtively quickly and with little impact on their production process. If it becomes financially unviable to ship parts to the UK from suppliers elsewhere in Europe, and if it becomes increasingly difficult to remain competitive across Europe then what incentive is there to remain? You can whack another couple of grand onto the cost of making a Qashqai in Sunderland based on the governments own figures, and that's before you even consider tarrifs. The thing that really vexes me is that this corner of the country has a long, long history of reliance on industry that sharp f***s off the minute the economics of a particular situation changes. You'd think we'd be wise to that now. Not sticking our fingers in our ears and hoping it won't happen yet again. No, Nissan has the most efficient and productive car plant in Europe located in Sunderland, it would be difficult to suddenly switch all that production from one plant to another and even more difficult to create a new factory from scratch. Even if you switch the production to another existing plant, Nissan cars or a Renault factory producing Nissan cars there's decades worth of manufacturing experience that would be lost and would take years to catch up on. If you switch it to an existing plant then you'll still have to create all the production lines from scratch as I would assume they would not want the current lines affected which would impact their production levels at that current plant and impact car sales.

I can't believe any NUFC fan has even the smallest amount of sympathy for this lot after how they went on about our two relegations, six in a row, lauding the padeo even after he was convicted etc! f*** them - I hope they rot! There is that side to me but there is also the side to me that thinks they are a local football club and as much as we have a tit for tat rivalry with them I don't think I want them to go under.

Form what the lads tell me there is constant investment in the location and site. Id image this Ireland location would be a loop hole they could potentially use to get around any possible tariffs if we don't get an agreement with the EU. They would be mental to completely relocate that factory, it would be suicide for a decade or more until all the new workers are at the same level of skills and experience as the current workers, let alone setting up the production lines from scratch and making sure all the robots and machinery are operating at 100%. The best way for the car companies to continue as is, is for the UK and EU to come to an agreement on trade and movement of goods. 1st step would be downsize. Easily done, lots of contractors, then core staff producing cars just for UK. What may end up happening is all Nissan cars for UK built here... Would take some planning but the factory would be as busy as ever and no export tariffs. Reckon the government would stump up grants to make that happen. I suppose there is only one way to find out and that's wait and see how things pan out.

Form what the lads tell me there is constant investment in the location and site. Id image this Ireland location would be a loop hole they could potentially use to get around any possible tariffs if we don't get an agreement with the EU. They would be mental to completely relocate that factory, it would be suicide for a decade or more until all the new workers are at the same level of skills and experience as the current workers, let alone setting up the production lines from scratch and making sure all the robots and machinery are operating at 100%. The best way for the car companies to continue as is, is for the UK and EU to come to an agreement on trade and movement of goods.

You cant just up sticks and move the most productive car plant in Europe to another location it would impact on them massive, potentially damaging production levels. I play hockey with lads who work at Nissan and they insist that they are going nowhere.

They need Marty Bird.

Yeah me too, just making it to the end of the season to see how it plays out. Yep, Id love to go back but I cant bring myself with Ashley there and nothing looks like changing anytime soon.

An endless cycle, I'm getting ready to move away from NUFC once and for all and save myself the time wasted on hoping he'll move on.

Id have to think about it.

And there it is.

And Ben Arfa was moved on.

I'm not sure what someone is supposed to do when they clear see someone isn't putting the effort in, its the same in any line or work. If someone isn't putting it in then they generally get moved on. Its not rocket science.