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Water off a duck's back.

There's plenty of that going on all through the league,we're doing the same with Kyle Walker for Spurs. Loans. They're the new, errr, something else.

Errr:

You're saying he's choosing to come to Newcastle, but he was leaned on to go to Villa without any real evidence for either of them. However, if we're into conjecture, I suspect he's probably been leaned on to move to you, to be honest. He's clearly never going to play for us again if he carries on like this, and it is in our interest to move him on. Like I said, I've no issue with him moving on, we're bringing in Bradley who is by all accounts a decent player, and his head is going to be in a better place than Ireland's for the rest of the season. Everyone knows what SI can do, it is just a question of whether mentally he can deliver it with any regularity. I hope he does, but it's a bit too convenient to pin his failure to do so on the circumstances of his previous move. He hadn't been pulling up many trees at Man City prior to that, either.

See, that's the thing, nobody forces players to do anything these days. I hope he does very well with you, too, as it means we'll either sell him to you, or we'll have him back after having put in a decent few months. The problem is, this thread contains lots of the things I saw when he joined us. 1. "He's got something to prove" 2. "He's very talented" (this bit is true) 3. "He's been forced out of City, he'll flourish in this environment" 4. "Who cares if he's mental, he just wants to play football" (he didn't) 5. "He was fantastic two years ago, if we can get that back, we've a hell of a player" 6. "All that lying about his gran / miscarriages / whatever stuff is in the past" (it wasn't, he started pulling tricks with us) etc etc etc. The issue i have with him is that I strongly suspect he's so utterly bonkers, he's never going to get it sorted. Point 6 seems harsh. As for the Villa fans that aren't fond of us so be it, that's a small group of a larger fanbase who probably weren't too happy to be humped 6-0 by the league's new boys. Why is it harsh? It's true. Ruling himself out with a virus / sickness, then getting spotted out on the piss on the same night.

All deals come with risk these days, innit. it's interesting how many deals are done as loans nowadays, though. I guess, like you said, that limits the risk somewhat. I bet I come back on here in four weeks time, though, and you're all saying he's fucking bonkers.

See, that's the thing, nobody forces players to do anything these days. I hope he does very well with you, too, as it means we'll either sell him to you, or we'll have him back after having put in a decent few months. The problem is, this thread contains lots of the things I saw when he joined us. 1. "He's got something to prove" 2. "He's very talented" (this bit is true) 3. "He's been forced out of City, he'll flourish in this environment" 4. "Who cares if he's mental, he just wants to play football" (he didn't) 5. "He was fantastic two years ago, if we can get that back, we've a hell of a player" 6. "All that lying about his gran / miscarriages / whatever stuff is in the past" (it wasn't, he started pulling tricks with us) etc etc etc. The issue i have with him is that I strongly suspect he's so utterly bonkers, he's never going to get it sorted.

I don't know, I haven't observed any. It seems a bit daft to infer any kind of great loathing on the postings of a few internet mongs. There are equally mongish people on here who give me all sorts of shit about Villa, and you don't have to look far on here for examples of people saying how much they hate us / want us to go down etc. People will be people. I bet that quote is from VillaTalk, though, which makes RTG look like the musings of Alain de Botton.

Has he signed for you then? Loan or perm?

Apparently, some bloke called Spahic, who i believe is a CB cum LB, is signing for us.

I thought Spurs were meant to cruise to cup glory in years that end in a one?

Don't really follow this .... what do you mean by players like that? Team players, looking after the younger lads. As far as I see it , Villa have a bunch of self-concerned players I don't really see that. Petrov is a wise old midfielder, for example, and also we have a squad full of youngsters, many of whom have played and done very well in the first team, who seem to be exceptionally well adjusted. Ireland is 24, incidentally, he's hardly a teenager.

Very talented lad, but he's utterly wrong in the head. I think taking him away from his comfort zone, what he was used to at City, has just exposed how mental he is. All that bollocks about "ooh, I've got a virus so I can't play" then being spotted out on the piss the same evening got on my tits. For 70k a week, you expect better than that. I hope he turns it around with you, because he's got talent, but thus far, fair play to Houllier for shipping the whingers / malingerers / deadwood out. First Carew, now Ireland, and hopefully Warnock - who apparently whinges and moans so much, and disrupts the squad so badly, he's been training with the reserves for the last two weeks

Don't really follow this .... what do you mean by players like that? Big fat party animals http://www.1000goals.com/wallpapers3/richard-dunne.jpeg http://theoriginalwinger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/john-carew.jpg

It's a knee injury, and that's definitely what he said - now serious. The fact Ireland is up with you lot today must mean our Bradley deal is going through

Don't really follow this .... what do you mean by players like that?

can't see that being pulled off, real are lining up for the summer (thats the common theme anyway) whats his buyout clause? No clue tbh (need village here asap). €36m from what I can find. Think he'd be class in the Prem. Some say €63m though which is a bit mad. According to Sid Lowe on the Guardians football weekly podcast his buy out clause, with VAT included, is in the region of €60m. So without VAT it should be around €50m I would take it. Since there has been a VAT discussion here already, I might add the reason being he told the buy out clause with VAT included, is that the Bilbao president is adamant Llorente won't leave the club(election coming up) so if any club are to buy him they will have to launch a hostile bid which would have the VAT Another way of looking at it is that it has only been reported in the Daily Mail. Fair play for shifting stories about swan eating asylum seekers and why we're being run by a gay mafia, but beyond that, the usual level of scepticism is required.

Honestly, how poor is ITV's coverage? It's like they're covering a sport they've never seen before. Cow tipping or something.

Ooops. Soz. Anyway, as i was saying, Sunderland have some very hard games coming up, most of which they'll lose.

Kendrick is normally bang on the money with Villa stuff.

Ah, fucking hell, Coventry, you wankers.

Kalinic, who replaced him, I like the look of, decent player.

There's never any point when ITV have the rights, unless you fancy watching a 15 second clip of 20 games, each one filmed on a 10 year old Nokia phone.

Hope Houllier brings him on and we have a top class attacking mid to play alongside Fletcher. His passing is superb at times, he's a very promising player. I just worry about his size, though, he's tiny.

I like what Houllier is doing, transfer wise, far more left field than MON's drearily predictable deals. Apparently the Bradley loan has a first option agreement to buy at the end of the season, so it makes sense. I'm a little bit disturbed about the left back situation, mind. Nathan Baker made his home debut there today, and looked very good (lovely ball for Delfouneso to score) prior to his sending off, Clark never looks fully comfortable there, and Warnock is shit. Whatever happens this season - assuming we don't go down, obv - it will not be for nothing. We've brought some good players in, and more importantly, we've really seen some of this crop of youngsters we have come on very nice. Albrighton, Delfouneso, Bannan, Clark (especially), Baker, Hogg have all done very well, and none of them would have been anywhere near the pitch had MON still been here - even with injuries.