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You speak for everyone outside the N-E then do you? I know plenty of people who rate them. And I'm neither from the N-E nor have I ever lived there. Yes, of course I meant it absolutely literally, all, what, 53 million of them. Where did I say you did? I don't get what you meant. Who are these people who don't rate them? Errm, the bit where you suggested that I speak for everyone outside the NE, maybe? The point i was making was that in my experience, Emre and Parker are not seen as particularly special players. Turks rated Emre "their greatest ever player" when we signed him, that accolade has perhaps now been passed on to Tuncay but still you get my point, actually judging by some of yours posts you probably don't, ney mind eh. What has that got to do with my point that he's not actually that highly rated outside Toon fans? Turkey's greatest ever player? On the evidence of what he has been like in the premiership, he's not looked that good to me. Well the Turkish fans rate him, in fact a whole Country does, so your dumb point means fuk all, quite literally fuk all Mr Carrot. Mr Carrot? I do apologise, Mr errrrm, Nail.

You speak for everyone outside the N-E then do you? I know plenty of people who rate them. And I'm neither from the N-E nor have I ever lived there. Yes, of course I meant it absolutely literally, all, what, 53 million of them. Where did I say you did? I don't get what you meant. Who are these people who don't rate them? Errm, the bit where you suggested that I speak for everyone outside the NE, maybe? The point i was making was that in my experience, Emre and Parker are not seen as particularly special players. Turks rated Emre "their greatest ever player" when we signed him, that accolade has perhaps now been passed on to Tuncay but still you get my point, actually judging by some of yours posts you probably don't, ney mind eh. What has that got to do with my point that he's not actually that highly rated outside Toon fans? Turkey's greatest ever player? On the evidence of what he has been like in the premiership, he's not looked that good to me. Actually plenty of our fans don't rate him as highly as some do. And please stop speaking on the behalf of non-NUFC fans. It doesn't do you any favours. So suggesting that non NUFC fans don't really rate him as highly as Toon fans do means I am speaking on behalf of them, does it?

Baros, Barry, Angel, Sorenson, Mellberg are all good enough for the CL. Barry & Mellberg, the others are soft. If that's the case, Taylor, Solano (their best player the season before last), Milner (their best player last season) N'Zogbia & Butt could all join the list below. Given Duff Emre Martins Owen Parker Butt? A few half decent games and he's quality again? Oh and if you are going to include young promise like Taylor and Zog, then in that case I'll add Ridgewell, Davis, Agbonlahor and Gary Cahill. If you're including injured players, I'll also add Laursen. And Emre and Parker are rated nowhere outside the north east (except briefly in the mind of McLaren, and that says it all, really). i honesty don't think your squad is anywhere near as good as some of you think it is, I really don't. I've already mentioned the defence, and up front you're about as lightweight as it is possible to be. re Baros and Angel as mentioned above, you're right on Angel, he's had more chances than any player down here and has never delivered consistently. Baros i think can do it, he just needs a change of club, it isnt working out for him here. Ridgewell is no better than Ramage, in fact he's shite, dont pass him off as one for the future :roll: Was it him giving away all the pens 4 in 4 games or something? Cahill again same boat, might as well put up Hunty in there if your adding him. Laursen is a joke, a one played on Villa, i might as well chuck in Bramble FFS! Have you seen Ridgewell this season? In fact, have you watched any football this year? He is a player transformed. The penalties you refer to were last season. I'd also point out that the Actim stats rate him as the 39th best player in the Prem this season so far, although there are two Villa players above him. Incidentally, the highest Toon player in the list is Ramage at number 99. Cahill is a superb prospect. Excellent defender and an eye for goal. And if Laursen is a joke played on Villa, what is Owen? Just because he is injured doesnt make him a bad player. And Laursen will be back in January. When will Owen be back? So Ridgewell has a good couple of games and he's the best thing ever eh? What kind of timescale do you end form and class starts at? If Butt isn't allowed to be called for his class after 10games even with so many MOM under his belt, how come some shitty Villa defender can be classed as a CL prospect with only 19 game under his belt, how many of them were MOM? I pointed out that to describe Ridgewell as "shite" is plainly ridiculous. not that he is the best thing ever.

You speak for everyone outside the N-E then do you? I know plenty of people who rate them. And I'm neither from the N-E nor have I ever lived there. Yes, of course I meant it absolutely literally, all, what, 53 million of them. Where did I say you did? I don't get what you meant. Who are these people who don't rate them? Errm, the bit where you suggested that I speak for everyone outside the NE, maybe? The point i was making was that in my experience, Emre and Parker are not seen as particularly special players. Turks rated Emre "their greatest ever player" when we signed him, that accolade has perhaps now been passed on to Tuncay but still you get my point, actually judging by some of yours posts you probably don't, ney mind eh. What has that got to do with my point that he's not actually that highly rated outside Toon fans? Turkey's greatest ever player? On the evidence of what he has been like in the premiership, he's not looked that good to me.

Baros, Barry, Angel, Sorenson, Mellberg are all good enough for the CL. Barry & Mellberg, the others are soft. If that's the case, Taylor, Solano (their best player the season before last), Milner (their best player last season) N'Zogbia & Butt could all join the list below. Given Duff Emre Martins Owen Parker Butt? A few half decent games and he's quality again? Oh and if you are going to include young promise like Taylor and Zog, then in that case I'll add Ridgewell, Davis, Agbonlahor and Gary Cahill. If you're including injured players, I'll also add Laursen. And Emre and Parker are rated nowhere outside the north east (except briefly in the mind of McLaren, and that says it all, really). i honesty don't think your squad is anywhere near as good as some of you think it is, I really don't. I've already mentioned the defence, and up front you're about as lightweight as it is possible to be. re Baros and Angel as mentioned above, you're right on Angel, he's had more chances than any player down here and has never delivered consistently. Baros i think can do it, he just needs a change of club, it isnt working out for him here. Ridgewell is no better than Ramage, in fact he's shite, dont pass him off as one for the future :roll: Was it him giving away all the pens 4 in 4 games or something? Cahill again same boat, might as well put up Hunty in there if your adding him. Laursen is a joke, a one played on Villa, i might as well chuck in Bramble FFS! Have you seen Ridgewell this season? In fact, have you watched any football this year? He is a player transformed. The penalties you refer to were last season. I'd also point out that the Actim stats rate him as the 39th best player in the Prem this season so far, although there are two Villa players above him. Incidentally, the highest Toon player in the list is Ramage at number 99. Cahill is a superb prospect. Excellent defender and an eye for goal. And if Laursen is a joke played on Villa, what is Owen? Just because he is injured doesnt make him a bad player. And Laursen will be back in January. When will Owen be back? That just shows how weak your evidence is my friend, Ramage our best player this season I'm not saying Ridgewell is the best player in the world. I'm pointing out that to say that Ridgewell is "shite" suggests you havent actually seen him play this season.

You speak for everyone outside the N-E then do you? I know plenty of people who rate them. And I'm neither from the N-E nor have I ever lived there. Yes, of course I meant it absolutely literally, all, what, 53 million of them. Where did I say you did? I don't get what you meant. Who are these people who don't rate them? Errm, the bit where you suggested that I speak for everyone outside the NE, maybe? The point i was making was that in my experience, Emre and Parker are not seen as particularly special players.

And Butt won the Champions League, as in on the best form since doing so. But naa, Ridgewell & Cahill are the boys. And David May won the CL as well, if i recall correctly. Oh, as did Baros, two years ago. Butt is such a fantastic player these days that he spent last season at Birmingham City. If you look at the original post I included Ridgewell and Cahill because you were throwing promising players into the list.

Baros, Barry, Angel, Sorenson, Mellberg are all good enough for the CL. Barry & Mellberg, the others are soft. If that's the case, Taylor, Solano (their best player the season before last), Milner (their best player last season) N'Zogbia & Butt could all join the list below. Given Duff Emre Martins Owen Parker Butt? A few half decent games and he's quality again? Oh and if you are going to include young promise like Taylor and Zog, then in that case I'll add Ridgewell, Davis, Agbonlahor and Gary Cahill. If you're including injured players, I'll also add Laursen. And Emre and Parker are rated nowhere outside the north east (except briefly in the mind of McLaren, and that says it all, really). i honesty don't think your squad is anywhere near as good as some of you think it is, I really don't. I've already mentioned the defence, and up front you're about as lightweight as it is possible to be. re Baros and Angel as mentioned above, you're right on Angel, he's had more chances than any player down here and has never delivered consistently. Baros i think can do it, he just needs a change of club, it isnt working out for him here. Ridgewell is no better than Ramage, in fact he's shite, dont pass him off as one for the future :roll: Was it him giving away all the pens 4 in 4 games or something? Cahill again same boat, might as well put up Hunty in there if your adding him. Laursen is a joke, a one played on Villa, i might as well chuck in Bramble FFS! Have you seen Ridgewell this season? In fact, have you watched any football this year? He is a player transformed. The penalties you refer to were last season. I'd also point out that the Actim stats rate him as the 39th best player in the Prem this season so far, although there are two Villa players above him. Incidentally, the highest Toon player in the list is Ramage at number 99. Cahill is a superb prospect. Excellent defender and an eye for goal. And if Laursen is a joke played on Villa, what is Owen? Just because he is injured doesnt make him a bad player. And Laursen will be back in January. When will Owen be back?

You speak for everyone outside the N-E then do you? I know plenty of people who rate them. And I'm neither from the N-E nor have I ever lived there. Yes, of course I meant it absolutely literally, all, what, 53 million of them.

Baros, Barry, Angel, Sorenson, Mellberg are all good enough for the CL. Barry & Mellberg, the others are soft. If that's the case, Taylor, Solano (their best player the season before last), Milner (their best player last season) N'Zogbia & Butt could all join the list below. Given Duff Emre Martins Owen Parker Butt? A few half decent games and he's quality again? Oh and if you are going to include young promise like Taylor and Zog, then in that case I'll add Ridgewell, Davis, Agbonlahor and Gary Cahill. If you're including injured players, I'll also add Laursen. And Emre and Parker are rated nowhere outside the north east (except briefly in the mind of McLaren, and that says it all, really). i honesty don't think your squad is anywhere near as good as some of you think it is, I really don't. I've already mentioned the defence, and up front you're about as lightweight as it is possible to be. re Baros and Angel as mentioned above, you're right on Angel, he's had more chances than any player down here and has never delivered consistently. Baros i think can do it, he just needs a change of club, it isnt working out for him here.

The Sir Bob of 1999-2004, aye. Not an insult to him - he's still a legend - but he's too old to be managing a Premiership club now. If we had Martin O'Neill, we'd certainly be well up there. The Aston Villa bumfest is subsiding, but look at the shite array of players that they've got. They finished 16th last season and rightly so. O'Neill's overachieving with them even if they're 8th. If O'Neill had our squad, we'd be flying high. Not bitter or anything. ;-) To be honest, I'd rather have most of our squad than yours. Outside of Given, a bothered Duff, a fit Owen and Martin purely on a "promise" basis, you can keep the rest of them. I can't see how your squad is that good when all I see on here is complaints that you don't have a single decent defender other than when you stick Solano at right back. We underachieved last season, we didn't have a 16th place squad. Shite players? I'll give you Angel, Baros and Hughes. Who are the others?

Don't Germany also have the lowest ticket prices of the major european countries, too? Coincidence? For me the chant that makes me cringe is "your support is fucking shit" as sung in every PL ground. How fucking pointless is that?

I wouldn't agree about sitting... or even singing, depending on what you mean. The British display an extraordinary reticence to start following the orders of blokes holding loud-hailers and release streamers in unison. Now that's not to say we can't or haven't made a hell of a racket, we just don't do it in the foreign way. That's true. Except for Walsall fans, as this amusing clip shows: Check out the big guy at the front.

Ask bolton, villa, blackburn, boro, fulham and man city if they can see half full grounds in the near future, the league champions sold less than half of there allocation at everton last week, and the week before fulham brought 300 to anfield. Attendances are falling. As a Villa fan, i can comment on that. One thing we are seeing is that with the current cost of going to matches, once you lose the fans, no matter for how short a period, it is very, very hard indeed to get them back. Last season we had something like 22,000 season ticket holders. We had a shit season, and over this last season, something approaching half of the ST holders didn't renew, in protest at the Ellis / O'Leary regime. What we've seen so far this season is that once these people find other things to do with their money, it is very, very hard indeed to get them back again, mainly because if you set aside 500 quid or so for your season ticket, then don't renew and spend it on something else instead, it is such a large some of money that it is hard to find that cash again. We had 27,000 last week against Bolton, which was shocking. Bolton brought about 150 supporters. The match was played at 5.15 on a Saturday, at the behest of Sky. That's the last but one saturday before Christmas. Which brings me to my other point - if the cost of going to matches doesn't kill football, then Sky will do, eventually. Newcastle's support seems to turn up regardless, but almost all other clubs don't have that luxury, I just think that the combination of high prices for low quality football (why does it cost so much to watch our league than, say, the imho better Spanish league?) and saturation television coverage are slowly but surely killing the game.

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Well, there's the way he was dicked about at the last minute in the last transfer window. Wish him all the best if he stays with you, though, I think he's a brilliant prospect

Yes. A lot of my friends are Inter fans, and they're all unanimous on it. He's one of those players people pick out as much better than he actually is, purely because he is Brazilian.

20m on Adriano = 2,000,000,000 pennies wasted.

Racism takes different forms. The BNP votes mentioned are, in my opinion, a result of primarily working class racism (note, I don't mean that being working class means you are racist, I mean racism amongst working class people) being expressed through BNP votes. I also don't buy this "they're voting BNP because of social deprivation, not because of racism" argument either. Look at who the BNP blame the deprivation on, for a start. Blaming it all on a scapegoat is easy, and it works. Look at Germany in the early 30s for the best example. Middle class racism tends to manifest itself in many different ways - supporting the more right wing elements of the Conservative party, voting for UKIP (I'm not saying UKIP voters are all racist, just that their support base is to a large degree xenophobic and xenophobia and racism often go together), angry letters to the Daily Mail etc etc They're both wrong.

In fairness, he was a decent player for us. However, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Charles tells us the following: 2000 Birmingham City (loan) 3 (0) So he's already hit rock bottom a few years ago. Decent aye. England class, no. IMO like. Although it was a tongue-in-cheek comment. He was a good player at Forest too. I agree with you on that one. Seriously, though, its a shame to see a former player sink to such levels (the prison thing, not the Blose thing, obv). He was what you'd call "an honest pro" by and large. Kept his head down, did a good job.

In fairness, he was a decent player for us. However, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Charles tells us the following: 2000 Birmingham City (loan) 3 (0) So he's already hit rock bottom a few years ago.

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Bolton, at least when i watched them on Saturday, play 9-1-1, so Beckham would fit in perfectly there, lots of scope to remain utterly anonymous and do nothing for 90 mins, as he has done for England for so long.

Well, I think it is a shame that we are going to lose Anfield and Goodison (although the latter really is a dog hole). The old "four stands" architecture of our grounds is dying so quickly. Tis sad, in my opinion.

Precisely. None of these new fancy foreign owners are interested in having anything less than 100 percent of the club. They don't want to have to piss about with relics like Shepherd or Ellis or Brown or whoever. Our takeover went that way - first bought out Ellis' 29 percent, then bought out Petchey's 20 percent, then the shareholdings of Ellis' family and hangers on, then appealed to buy shares owned by fans since flotation, then hit 75 percent and delisting. Once at 75 percent (reached pretty quickly once people knew Ellis was f***ing off finally), he kept the offer open to go for 90 percent which means compulsory purchase of the remaining 10 percent and total ownership. A few points from our takeover which might be salient for yours: 1. It takes f***ing ages. Ages in football terms, that is, when you need the money for team investment and you need it NOW (ours went through after the transfer window closed). 2. Even after an offer is accepted, it means weeks of chewing your finger nails *praying* it goes through. you'll learn that a deal isn't actually a deal, and agreements can remain "non binding" for far too long for your nervous health. 3. When they delist, you actually find yourself in the strange position of having even less knowledge of what is going on at the club than you had before - they own it, they can do what the F*** they want with it. Fine so far, as our new owners have been nothing other than faultless thus far, but even in the Ellis years we had the annual chance to go and throw abuse at him at the AGM. Kind of ironic, that.