Wandy

Congrats for missing the point entirely. You are well within your rights to defend your club and its support etc, that's what the forum is for. But you responded to criticism of SAFC with some ill-judged personal barbs. Stick to opinions and you'll do fine on here. But this is a NUFC forum and you are a SAFC fan and, despite the current gulf in fortunes, we are still fierce local rivals. You are inevitably going to get some light-natured stick as part of your initiation process.

But you are going on about antagonism, when he was doing it after only 11 posts today. This just backs up what I find all the time with SAFC fans....they can dish it out but cannot take it back.

You are whining on about personal abuse yet just choose to ignore his personal digs cos he's a new poster, bless him. All that has happened here is people have made some critical remarks about SAFC and asked some probing questions about them. Fucking hell, I even said to him that their future looks quite rosy now.

No, you have responded to opinions with some personal barbs. You don't like those opinions? Tough shit, that's what a forum is for. You haven't shaken off the stench of RTG I'm afraid. Its a classic trait of that shithole to respond to an opinion with personal attacks. You are less than 30 posts in and are at it already.

If anything, it's Teddylad who has done the goading since he got here today. See the stuff I quoted above. The rest of us have just put a few hard-to-bear facts about his club to him.

Skunkers was just one gigantic, hilarious piss take where nothing could escape it's wrath. The in-joke was that the place basically mocked itself. Wish it was still around, it was class.

This is definitely an issue like. And it's basically because it's impossible for any NUFC fan to have a civilised debate on RTG without being subjected to a torrent of abuse, therefore any Mackem posting on here for the first time will inevitably take the brunt for all of the bullshit that is written about NUFC over there. If this fella can make it through the initial shitstorm I'm confident he will be as welcome on here as the likes of Brummie etc. But he's still gonna have to get through that shitstorm. And, as has been pointed out, nobody has been abusive. Note though that he's only about 20 posts in and he's already been resorting to personal digs....."Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?"...."Your are very sensitive"...."Are you on glue?". Not a great way to ingratiate yourself on a forum.

Tend to agree. But on the flipside we would have played a full strength team if we were playing them.

I was gonna say that but just couldn't be arsed. The idea that even a tiny proportion of our support will want Howe sacked any time soon is utter bollocks. People need to stop basing their judgements on Twitter arseholes.

Fair enough. You may have noticed that all of my comments have been about what has gone on at SAFC in the recent past. With regards to their future though I have no idea what will happen next, but I can see why fans will now be feeling some optimism after crawling out of the biggest hole in their history. Fans run on hope and there does seem to be some down there now, and there's little reason why they can't imitate what Brentford are doing right now, if ran correctly. But if you don't go up either this season or next then it might take a lot longer than you think or hope for. Just look at how long Sheffield Wednesday have been down there for now.

I'm not into answering questions indirectly bud. Ross should have been given another full season IMO, I think he would have taken you up at the 2nd attempt. So what happens if Mowbray finishes in the bottom half of the table this season? Do you stick or twist again? Also...and not fishing here, genuinely curious...why do you think Neal left to go to Stoke, if things are looking so rosy at SAFC? It's not like Stoke are a bigger club.

You haven't asked me any questions actually. Since you are asking though....Grayson, Ross & Parkinson should have been given more time. I actually agreed with the Johnson sacking though as it was clear that he would have fucked up in the playoffs again. Neal was an inspired appointment but the guy turned out to be either a snake, or astute, depending on how the next 5 months plays out. Mowbray I'm not sure of, he's clearly a solid manager but you need to get promoted this year under him or it wont happen at all (under him) IMO.

Just answer questions and keep away from the personal stuff eh? Classic RTG tactic that, lol. For what its worth, I am not a SAFC hater, taking the local rivalry aside. But the idea that their support is blameless in their demise over the last 7 years is delusional in the extreme.

I'd say there's a difference between being sacked purely on results and being sacked to a backdrop of outright abuse. I can only remember NUFC fans doing that to the three that I mentioned.

Agreed.

It's not an agenda at all, it's looking at plain facts. If you can't see that going through so many managers in such a short space of time is not a worrying statistic then there's nothing more that I can say.

The only managers that NUFC fans have hounded out in the last 20 years have been Allardyce, Pardew & Bruce.

Like I say, the truth hurts. How many other clubs have such a high managerial turnover then? Blame Short all you want, but the managers he appointed were all approved by the fanbase at the time. Same with the players bought too. And the "fault" lies partially with SAFC fans themselves. The simple fact is that a proportion of Sunderland's support don't seem to want to pay for tickets. And it's still a problem, as the club continues to artificially hike up attendance numbers.

The truth hurts doesn't it. Short didn't "get bored". He realised that he couldn't keep pissing money away on a lost cause so stopped propping SAFC up. Once the club had to start standing on it's own two feet the decline quickly kicked in. Your fans are still demanding a manager gets sacked as soon as a bad run of results happens. Seven managers in less than six seasons since May 2017 speaks for itself.

He still didn't have to write that debt off. He could have truly "let you rot" in the lower leagues for a generation but instead he accepted that he had fucked up and just cut his losses to get out of town, but also let you recover more quickly. Do you think Mike Ashley would have wrote off £200m+ plus in debt if he owned you? Short was a poor owner in terms of making some rotten footballing decisions but financially he was incredibly generous. The trouble with SAFC fans is they paint Short as an appalling owner and pin all of the club's failures from 2017 onwards directly onto him, when the truth is that the fanbase played a massive part in the malaise by demanding a manager should be sacked every 9 months. And 6 years on that same fanbase are still doing that shit. It's never about them though.

Left the club to rot? He wrote off hundreds of millions in debt man.

10 years ago you were in the PL and propped up by Ellis Short. How is your current position better than that?

Your fans, and every other fanbase, would react in the exact same way that NUFC fans have done. Go and have a look on Red Cafe and witness how Man Utd fans are now praying for an oil state to come in for them.

Can only agree with this. I went to a friends-of-family birthday party in a suburb of Edinburgh roughly 10 years ago and it's the bleakest, most depressing place I have ever witnessed. Like, proper Trainspotting grim.

Your not reading too much into it at all, for that is exactly what will happen now. The home crowd will not give him an inch, and Eddie will be sending him out to the lions if he plays him in any other circumstances other than sheer desperation. You know a miss is bad when even a professional commentator takes the piss out of it. “Chris Wood, what have you done”. I feel sorry for the lad a bit because he has obviously been liked in the dressing room and gives his all. Tonight proved though that he needs to leave the club before next season.