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i did say it was a stupid analogy mate using yours though, what if you had the money and really needed that car for work? you could buy a cheaper car that would get you to work but you already have one of those anyway and it's not very good, the one you want will do the same job only a lot better and might well end up getting you a promotion 'cause it creates a better impression wouldn't you pay the going rate for that car? i would assuming i had the money, which returning to non-bullshit land for a minute we're told is no issue for NUFC right? everything has it's price

Someone who doesn't use up their weekly allocation of commas in place of fucking full stops? Someone who - despite being repeatedly leathered in the face whilst heading a ball of 1.1 atm - doesn't find it appropriate to put two commas after a question mark? Tool

The last 72 hours of a transfer window are always when things happen. There are some big deals waiting to go through still, and there will be some which will happen which nobody saw coming. I'm actually going to book Tuesday off work so I can watch the coverage throughout Monday night with a few beers Final word of consolation - you, Villa (paper thin squad), Everton (more than anyone), Spurs (strikers), West Ham (anyone), Blackburn (sold their two best players and not replaced them properly), Portsmouth (spent all their money), City (spending money they dont have) - all in a very similar position going into the last few days of the window. All will become much clearer by Tuesday morning. brummie, great balanced and reasoned post...you can always be relied upon to play devils advocate on NO as a means to balance your thoughtfulness i'd just like to echo afar and say i don't give two fucks about the bit in bold really, nor should anyone else NUFC-related, it's worst argument i hear on this board; "well we desperately need an ACM (for example) but look at everton, they've found it difficult to get one too so it makes us not having one OK" i struggle to find a comparable argument people would deem acceptable in any other walk of life, i don't know; "i need to meet my mortgage repayments but they're a little higher than i'd like due to interest rates and seeing as other people aren't paying theirs for some reason i'll default on mine too 'cause it must be OK"? doesn't work does it? look that's a stupid, facetious argument but it makes my point quite well we have to look after ourselves, as you point out yourself other clubs are having trouble and have thin squads or other problems - i see that as an opportunity to exploit, not an excuse for mediocrity

this shouldn't even be a matter for thought or discussion imo, 10m+ for milner and four days in which to spend that on a superior player if our scouting/transfer people can't rustle up a better player than milner for 10m in four days they want fucken shooting, the lot of them and no, i have no idea why everton and villa seem to rate him so highly or why they wouldn't spend their money on a better winger elsewhere if there was one, that's their problem as far as i'm concerned but there are better players around for that money i have no doubt in my mind

or we could pay what we need to pay for the players we want NOW, and take advantage of teams like spurs/pompey looking more vulnerable than we'd expected...? no? OK then

monday is gonna be murder

no easy answer to that is there? and 10m guarantees nothing as you're fond of pointing out, BUT let's try this: "wherever there is a gaping hole in the team & squad a club the size of NUFC should be doing everything in their power to fill that gap with a quality player regardless (within reason) of cost" how does that do you dave? so for us this season i'd say we needed: CB - check CM - nope FW - nope don't think 3 top quality players is a big ask myself, nor did you at the start of the summer I've always maintained that those players need bringing in (though the forward can only be an upcoming player imo given who we have on the books still). If we don't get them I will be criticising the club just like everyone else. For some reason there's always a sense of black and white (ha) on this forum, never any in-between. You can't think a player is poor without being accused of being unreasonable, you can't praise a player without being accused of overrating them, and you can't give Ashley a chance without being accused of wanting to do things on the cheap and accepting mediocrity. alternatively you can't point out things aren't so rosy without being called a moaner!! lets say you're right about the forward being young (i don't agree due to the suspect fitness of viduka and owen, and the uselessness of everyone else) then we're still a good creative CM away from what i would consider an absolute bare minimum this summer, agreed? and i mean an ABSOLUTE bare minimum of top quality players we've got 4 days oh and i agree about forum extremes by the way, nature of the internet I knew someone would say that. Everyone's entitled to a moan, I didn't think sacking Allardyce was a great idea at the time, and the ticking situation has been an absolute farce. If we don't get the two/three first-team players in that we need they'll have fucked up there too, yes. i'm still hopeful at the moment, the milner thing has changed nothing in my eyes as we've discussed at length it's smith and duff that piss me off more than anything

no easy answer to that is there? and 10m guarantees nothing as you're fond of pointing out, BUT let's try this: "wherever there is a gaping hole in the team & squad a club the size of NUFC should be doing everything in their power to fill that gap with a quality player regardless (within reason) of cost" how does that do you dave? so for us this season i'd say we needed: CB - check CM - nope FW - nope don't think 3 top quality players is a big ask myself, nor did you at the start of the summer I've always maintained that those players need bringing in (though the forward can only be an upcoming player imo given who we have on the books still). If we don't get them I will be criticising the club just like everyone else. For some reason there's always a sense of black and white (ha) on this forum, never any in-between. You can't think a player is poor without being accused of being unreasonable, you can't praise a player without being accused of overrating them, and you can't give Ashley a chance without being accused of wanting to do things on the cheap and accepting mediocrity. alternatively you can't point out things aren't so rosy without being called a moaner!! lets say you're right about the forward being young (i don't agree due to the suspect fitness of viduka and owen, and the uselessness of everyone else) then we're still a good creative CM away from what i would consider an absolute bare minimum this summer, agreed? and i mean an ABSOLUTE bare minimum of top quality players we've got 4 days oh and i agree about forum extremes by the way, nature of the internet

Its crazy how many do not understand this. prepare yourselves for the "old board attack", it's coming...

no easy answer to that is there? and 10m guarantees nothing as you're fond of pointing out, BUT let's try this: "wherever there is a gaping hole in the team & squad a club the size of NUFC should be doing everything in their power to fill that gap with a quality player regardless (within reason) of cost" how does that do you dave? so for us this season i'd say we needed: CB - check CM - nope FW - nope don't think 3 top quality players is a big ask myself, nor did you at the start of the summer

Yes please. Don't fancy this one mind, they'll be dying to get back on track after Fulham and last night was a nice confidence boost. 2-0 defeat. good team that, but yeah hard to see anything but a shoeing

deals can't be done fast these days you can't complete a deal just because you want to deals will only happen right before the deadline what - a - fucking - joke Can't tell whether that was with or against me TBH. I was one of the "give it time man, still a month left" brigade but with what? 4 full days left i think the fans have a right to be getting nervous. it 100% with you if you're with me?! nah these are the reasons, among others, why we can't/don't sign players - i'm saying they're bullshit when all is said and done

deals can't be done fast these days you can't complete a deal just because you want to deals will only happen right before the deadline what - a - fucking - joke

strangely i don't think that, i think we'll certainly be underwhelmed in numbers but something will happen it has to I hope to fuck you are right. I'm starting to hve alot of doubts. Hopefully, the meeting yesterday will have sparked the transfers into life. Seems strange looking forward to what Oliver has to say. oh i have a lot of doubts, have done all close season, but the jonas/colo deals have convinced me they're not totally inept and it would take an utter fuckwit of the highest order to think we can make it to january with the squad the way it is

strangely i don't think that, i think we'll certainly be underwhelmed in numbers but something will happen it has to

i likey, i likey a lot

Forget bankrolling the club, at the moment he's not even putting anything like what is generated in revenue back into the development of the club. There's not much point in trying to build a team from cheap young players if we can't keep them happy and hold onto them once they become even remotely good. If people think a young model-pro player who has never openly complained once despite having greater cause to than most who has the PFA acting as his agent is being a t*** to the club and overly greedy, then god help us when we get in all these brilliant new youngsters with real agents. If anyone thinks we're going to go out and build a team to improve on where we currently are now from £1-2m kids who will all be better than Milner and be happy to stay on low wages forever, then they really are living in cloud cookoo land. Have you got some figures on what the club is making against what is going back into the club? I didn't think they were made public these days. Your other paragraph is classic straw man material. How are Coloccini and Gutierrez '£1-2m kids'? We need to be signing young players, cheap players and also expensive first-team players where required. Where has anyone ever suggested we don't? I'm pretty sure the wage bill has gone down, the TV income has gone up, and we have extra revenue from pulling in future years season ticket money now. http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-news/tm_headline=newcastle-united-one-of-eight-clubs-to-make-profit%26method=full%26objectid=20989122%26siteid=61634-name_page.html We made a profit in 06-07. We're heading the way of making a massive profit in 08-09 Your whole initial post is based on a straw man argument. I'm saying that that is what a lot of people on here are suggesting the club should do, try to be successful on the cheap. Buying Coloccini went against that as he would be the "simply spending lots of money guarantees nothing" kind of player you're talking about. I think we should be buying more players like him (as well as youngsters), and 1 or 2 such players per season will get us nowhere. well said mate

Yep yeah and I don't give a fuck love it

by the way this must have been picked up by someone elsewhere, it's from the guardian's fiver the other day and although that's a pisstake i'm gonna presume these stats are correct: "Last season Milner contributed a grand total of two assists to Newcastle - fewer than renowned creator Joey Barton - and boasted a cross completion rate of just 18.39% - worse than ace flankers Stephen Hunt, Eddie Lewis and George McCartney. Newcastle won a mere 24% of the matches in which Milner featured, compared to 44% of those in which he didn't play." assuming they are true, and it's not a big assumption, i'd take villas 9m personally [no idea how there stats compare to other wingers mind, just seem very looooooooooooow indeed]

You see I'm not sure how the club is to blame for that. Those players aren't very good, and probably on huge wages. How are they meant to be moved on when everyone knows this? We can't force clubs to buy them. we can't but (and we may have done this i don't know) say to their agents find another club, there's to be no fee and they're not wanted i know this is basically a FM argument and the real world doesn't work like that but this is what needed to happen, they have to leave as they offer nothing and are a massive drain on resources, not to mention potentially holding back the development of younger players that could be given the chance to play in their place if we can't afford replacements we know they do nothing, ever; we don't know that about lua lua, zamblera, donaldson etc... lets face it if they stay for the length of their contracts now we'll get no money back (nor are we ever likely to get decent fees for them) and will have paid them millions, so what would be to lose by letting them go for nothing? But this is what I was getting at in the OP. Why on earth should Ashley be expected to just write off millions of pounds paid to other clubs in transfer fees for the players? You and I may think they're s*** but they're not completely worthless. Your argument stands up in terms of the wages, but no business is just going to ditch assets like that, however poor their reputation. I agree in principle Dave but I would have hoped that we would have said at the start of the transfer window to Smith and Ameobi that they were no longer in our plans going forward and were free to look for other clubs and make it known to the market. Granted they may stay put but I would of expected the likes of Smith to look elsewhere. I think they may have done that with Ameobi but not sure about others? Additionally, in reality there is NO way they are ever going to get their money back on the likes of Smith anyway - I'm not sure what the market value of Smith is for example, pretty low I would assume. If you take Smith's wages into consideration, you have to weigh up if he is going to be of any benefit to the first team, if the answer is no and he aint going to play at all, why would you keep him on for the next 3 years at £40-50k a week with no transfer fee at the end rather than write off the majority of initial fee (which you will have to do anyway) and save all those wages? aye slugsy, exactly

You see I'm not sure how the club is to blame for that. Those players aren't very good, and probably on huge wages. How are they meant to be moved on when everyone knows this? We can't force clubs to buy them. we can't but (and we may have done this i don't know) say to their agents find another club, there's to be no fee and they're not wanted i know this is basically a FM argument and the real world doesn't work like that but this is what needed to happen, they have to leave as they offer nothing and are a massive drain on resources, not to mention potentially holding back the development of younger players that could be given the chance to play in their place if we can't afford replacements we know they do nothing, ever; we don't know that about lua lua, zamblera, donaldson etc... lets face it if they stay for the length of their contracts now we'll get no money back (nor are we ever likely to get decent fees for them) and will have paid them millions, so what would be to lose by letting them go for nothing? But this is what I was getting at in the OP. Why on earth should Ashley be expected to just write off millions of pounds paid to other clubs in transfer fees for the players? You and I may think they're shit but they're not completely worthless. Your argument stands up in terms of the wages, but no business is just going to ditch assets like that, however poor their reputation. i'm sorry but imo both are totally and utterly a waste of air & space, the only thing either of them do is get in the way of stuff other players are doing so it comes to nothing (duff) or this plus commit fouls in stupid places and getting sent off (smith) i rate smith a touch higher than duff due to his fouls, they're not always red card offences and/or on the edge of the box so sometimes he inevitably breaks up moves by the opposition by default dave you're on about throwing good money after bad basically and if it was peanuts i'd agree with you, but it's not it's millions & millions of more pounds we'll have to spend and we'll never get any money for either of them from what i can see so why keep them? you consider that good business 'cause i don't give their wages to milner, at least just just shit at crossing I completely agree on the merits of both players mate. They're fucking crap. Just don't see why any club would just bin players for nothing. Not even 'as much money as we like' Chelsea do that. And what message would it give out to other players we're trying to attract? we're not gonna pay shite players loads of money anymore, perform or you're out...?

do either of you think anyone here would disagree with that bit in bold like?

You see I'm not sure how the club is to blame for that. Those players aren't very good, and probably on huge wages. How are they meant to be moved on when everyone knows this? We can't force clubs to buy them. we can't but (and we may have done this i don't know) say to their agents find another club, there's to be no fee and they're not wanted i know this is basically a FM argument and the real world doesn't work like that but this is what needed to happen, they have to leave as they offer nothing and are a massive drain on resources, not to mention potentially holding back the development of younger players that could be given the chance to play in their place if we can't afford replacements we know they do nothing, ever; we don't know that about lua lua, zamblera, donaldson etc... lets face it if they stay for the length of their contracts now we'll get no money back (nor are we ever likely to get decent fees for them) and will have paid them millions, so what would be to lose by letting them go for nothing? But this is what I was getting at in the OP. Why on earth should Ashley be expected to just write off millions of pounds paid to other clubs in transfer fees for the players? You and I may think they're shit but they're not completely worthless. Your argument stands up in terms of the wages, but no business is just going to ditch assets like that, however poor their reputation. i'm sorry but imo both are totally and utterly a waste of air & space, the only thing either of them do is get in the way of stuff other players are doing so it comes to nothing (duff) or this plus commit fouls in stupid places and getting sent off (smith) i rate smith a touch higher than duff due to his fouls, they're not always red card offences and/or on the edge of the box so sometimes he inevitably breaks up moves by the opposition by default dave you're on about throwing good money after bad basically and if it was peanuts i'd agree with you, but it's not it's millions & millions of more pounds we'll have to spend and we'll never get any money for either of them from what i can see so why keep them? you consider that good business 'cause i don't give their wages to milner, at least just just shit at crossing

Completely contradicting yourself there. What recent comments btw? sorry dave but that's not even close to being a contradiction

You see I'm not sure how the club is to blame for that. Those players aren't very good, and probably on huge wages. How are they meant to be moved on when everyone knows this? We can't force clubs to buy them. we can't but (and we may have done this i don't know) say to their agents find another club, there's to be no fee and they're not wanted i know this is basically a FM argument and the real world doesn't work like that but this is what needed to happen, they have to leave as they offer nothing and are a massive drain on resources, not to mention potentially holding back the development of younger players that could be given the chance to play in their place if we can't afford replacements we know they do nothing, ever; we don't know that about lua lua, zamblera, donaldson etc... lets face it if they stay for the length of their contracts now we'll get no money back (nor are we ever likely to get decent fees for them) and will have paid them millions, so what would be to lose by letting them go for nothing?