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Go back and look at the league tables under KK, the season we were pipped for the title we only concedeed 9 goals at home all season! Away from home was another matter, but you would expect someone to learn from that. come on mate there's having a good defence and there's playing teams off the pitch...we won 17 games at home that season due to our attacking football that's the reason for conceding 9 to all intents and purposes Well attacking is the best form of defense! And all this bullshit about footballs changed! Has it f***! Fergies still got Man utd playing the same way from when keegan was last with us! If you're talking about the mentality of stop the other team scoring as opposed to just score more then maybe that applies to lower clubs where that's the only way they think thay can get a result. Football is only as complicated as you make it! Keep it simple and you'll win. if you think man u circa the one-nil win at SJP that more or less swung the title and the team he's putting out now are in any way similar then you need help man, seriously man u played a tight counter attacking game away from home in those days and were more expansive at home...think about how we lost that title, jesus, it writes itself...the won it on the road, if our away record had been nearly as good it was our title now they've spent so much money it doesn't matter a f***, they can go and attack 90% of teams with only hargreaves in DM and they'll still get a result those two teams aren't even close God you really don't have a clue do you? What do Man u play now? A tight counter attacking game! Same as they always have. The players are just different. completely disagree, so i guess that makes you clueless? if i disagree with what you say?

Yep I remember Peacock Albert Beresford Barton and Venison! All not fanatstic but if your attcking the f*** out of teams you don't get exposed as much! People need to realise it's not just about having supurb players back there, it's about the whole team doing there job! If Man U had our midfield and forwards do you not think they'd leak allot of goals? Of course they would do you honestly we can just go out in todays PL and attack? honestly?

presume you're talking about when we lost the title right? therefore 9 at home meant we conceded 28 away from home....!

i'll retract the word shocking as it's an overstatement, but it was not a good defence by any stretch of the imagination

Go back and look at the league tables under KK, the season we were pipped for the title we only concedeed 9 goals at home all season! Away from home was another matter, but you would expect someone to learn from that. come on mate there's having a good defence and there's playing teams off the pitch...we won 17 games at home that season due to our attacking football that's the reason for conceding 9 to all intents and purposes Well attacking is the best form of defense! And all this bullshit about footballs changed! Has it f***! Fergies still got Man utd playing the same way from when keegan was last with us! If you're talking about the mentality of stop the other team scoring as opposed to just score more then maybe that applies to lower clubs where that's the only way they think thay can get a result. Football is only as complicated as you make it! Keep it simple and you'll win. if you think man u circa the one-nil win at SJP that more or less swung the title and the team he's putting out now are in any way similar then you need help man, seriously man u played a tight counter attacking game away from home in those days and were more expansive at home...think about how we lost that title, jesus, it writes itself...the won it on the road, if our away record had been nearly as good it was our title now they've spent so much money it doesn't matter a fuck, they can go and attack 90% of teams with only hargreaves in DM and they'll still get a result those two teams aren't even close

What a load of crap! They know damn well who he is, it's all about getting the players to believe in themselves and that is one area Keegan excelled in! Would love to know who you think would be better than those 2 at this time realistically? As Shearer has been ear marked for the job anyway! Why not get them in now? Otherwise the next manager will have the same problem Big sam had with Shearer lurking in the shadows and seemingly making it an impossible job! look the point is why keegan? shearer no worries, seems nailed on at some point but why keegan? for us it'd be sentimental and everyone could have a tear in their eye...doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...surely shearer would be able to motivate? then what does keegan bring? explain to me 'cause i'm asking... Why Keegan is because why allot don't just want Shearer by himself! No expierience but under Keegan he'd gain that! I'm sure Keegan see's it as a great chance to turn us into a force again but ultimatly handing it over to Shearer when the time is right! That way we all win! We get the boost of having people who don't need to understand the mind set up here and Shearer gets the knowledge first hand instead of starting out at some s*** pot championship side. yeah, but erm, why keegan? all good reasons for shearer (arguable) but instead of keegan why not a good, experienced first team coach? it's a fair question - with shearer you get the sentimentalism so why keegan? get an actual good coach instead.... Some people do better at certain clubs and Keegan was a good coach. Yes was but he could be great again, we just don't know. All we know from fact is that he produced the best football team we've arguably ever had in 1995/1996. which was more than a decade ago, as you know man i think about how much football has changed in that decade and s*** myself at the thought of keegan...think i'm probably doing the man a disservice but i doubt it we masked having a shocking defence during that time by attacking everyone, i honestly don't think you can be that naive in football any more; not even arsenal play that way Pundits said the same thing then - teams weren't supposed to attack so much although as I recall not many of us were complaining. I didn't think our defence was that bad either - a myth perpetuated by the press at the time. Our defence now however..... Keegan's not thick - he's been in the game all his life and I'm sure he can adjust to the latest changes. I'm surprised more people aren't excited about this. Waiting for Uncle Alan to kybosh it pretty soon though. dude, we did not have a good defence during that period, we simply didn't...i don't need newspapers to tell me what i saw with my own eyes and be honest it was our inability to defend that cost us the title, not the inability to attack Got to disagree with you there. Didn't miss any home games and only a few away that year and what I saw didn't constitute a bad defence. Admittedly it was over a decade ago but I can't remember any defensive howlers off the top of my head. Care to help? you don't need howlers to not have a good defence when it came to the wire and we needed to defend leads they failed, ergo they weren't good enough that's why i used the word "masked"...we were outscoring teams and keeping a lot of possesion, makes it less likely you'll concede especially at home, as has been pointed out if it weren't for the 17 home wins we'd have been in a lot poorer shape that season, 'cause the defence wasn't good enough and i missed 4 games in total that season so i'd like to think i know what i was watching

What a load of crap! They know damn well who he is, it's all about getting the players to believe in themselves and that is one area Keegan excelled in! Would love to know who you think would be better than those 2 at this time realistically? As Shearer has been ear marked for the job anyway! Why not get them in now? Otherwise the next manager will have the same problem Big sam had with Shearer lurking in the shadows and seemingly making it an impossible job! look the point is why keegan? shearer no worries, seems nailed on at some point but why keegan? for us it'd be sentimental and everyone could have a tear in their eye...doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...surely shearer would be able to motivate? then what does keegan bring? explain to me 'cause i'm asking... Why Keegan is because why allot don't just want Shearer by himself! No expierience but under Keegan he'd gain that! I'm sure Keegan see's it as a great chance to turn us into a force again but ultimatly handing it over to Shearer when the time is right! That way we all win! We get the boost of having people who don't need to understand the mind set up here and Shearer gets the knowledge first hand instead of starting out at some s*** pot championship side. yeah, but erm, why keegan? all good reasons for shearer (arguable) but instead of keegan why not a good, experienced first team coach? it's a fair question - with shearer you get the sentimentalism so why keegan? get an actual good coach instead.... Some people do better at certain clubs and Keegan was a good coach. Yes was but he could be great again, we just don't know. All we know from fact is that he produced the best football team we've arguably ever had in 1995/1996. which was more than a decade ago, as you know man i think about how much football has changed in that decade and s*** myself at the thought of keegan...think i'm probably doing the man a disservice but i doubt it we masked having a shocking defence during that time by attacking everyone, i honestly don't think you can be that naive in football any more; not even arsenal play that way Pundits said the same thing then - teams weren't supposed to attack so much although as I recall not many of us were complaining. I didn't think our defence was that bad either - a myth perpetuated by the press at the time. Our defence now however..... Keegan's not thick - he's been in the game all his life and I'm sure he can adjust to the latest changes. I'm surprised more people aren't excited about this. Waiting for Uncle Alan to kybosh it pretty soon though. dude, we did not have a good defence during that period, we simply didn't...i don't need newspapers to tell me what i saw with my own eyes and be honest it was our inability to defend that cost us the title, not the inability to attack

Go back and look at the league tables under KK, the season we were pipped for the title we only concedeed 9 goals at home all season! Away from home was another matter, but you would expect someone to learn from that. come on mate there's having a good defence and there's playing teams off the pitch...we won 17 games at home that season due to our attacking football that's the reason for conceding 9 to all intents and purposes

Relevant? I was replying to li3nz's point about the feel good factor before kick-off if Shearer & Keegan take over. Will mean very little if on their first game they're gubbed though won't it. I genuinely believe the atmosphere will be on a level we have never seen before at this ground. I don't think we will "get grubbed" and wouldn't be surprised to see the atmosphere reflected on the players performance... maybe in a typical Keegan'esque "entertainers" wave after wave of attack, but this is dreamland stuff.... my point is the way our supporters used to get behind the team back then really did make a huge difference, as much as it is an overused saying we really were the 12th man and I think it will take a figurehead such as keegan or shearer to bring this back. we'd not lose unless we come up against a profesionall football team who believe in ability and coaching rather than mythical atmosphere's for winning games This is the point though. f****** David Copperfield could manage us, never mind Mourinho - the way things are he wouldn't be able to get a decent performance out of that lot. We need more than one of these so called tactical genius phenonenon's (by the way, I think this label is as mythical as it gets) they can't do anything with our club, we are in an extremely depressed state. By the way re: the other point about players reporting to Keegan, discipline etc, if Shearer was ultimately in charge I am in no doubt they would do anthing he said. If he told them to run through the wall they would knock the whole building down doing it. Erm, not all players - whisper it, but not even all NEWCASTLE players - have the same pathetic deification problem with Shaerer that some NUFC fans do. He was a very good player, who clearly loved NUFC. There is f*** all to say that he would be a good manager (there are lots of as good and better players who did not do well at all), and f*** all to say players would revere him like some NUFC fans do. He's not a f****** magician, we have no idea what he is like tactically, what he'd be like with transfers etc. I'd rather we got an actually GOOD manager in, and acted like a proper football club, and not a bunch of misty-eyed, fantasising fanboys. And as for someone else's comments about him being earmarked for the job - by WHO, exactly?? D - I - S - C - O I see the point you are trying to make but it's not something I can contest with you because I have never bought this "Uber Coach" nonsense, football is a very simple game. The successful managers, by and large, have won trophies with successful clubs ANYWAY, that have always won trophies! Not clubs that have won nowt for half a decade! Going by this logic, to appoint our proven successful managaer, we would need to find someone that has taken over a club in an incredibly depressed state, that has not won anything in their lifetime, and has brought success. It doesn't happen. Gerrard Houllier won 5 trophies (OK, one was the Charity Shield, so "only 4") with Liverpool, could he do the same with us or even come close? Could he bollocks! We would just be moving sideways. Look at Sam Allardyce, he was meant to be good... who's talking about an uber coach? i'm talking about a coach man, not someone living in a football circus look at ferguson and wenger...over the years they've developed with a changing game, how many teams has ferguson built now? wengers up to 4 or 5 or something and they're never the same, they change with the games demands something i NEVER saw keegan able to do with us or with any subsequent job he took they're not uber coaches but they're good managers who have proven their ability i'm assuming keegan, given his TOTAL absence from the game during the last few years, will not have moved on enough to provide shearer with sufficient experience for us to succeed, that's it in a nutshell what are you assuming keegan would bring?

What a load of crap! They know damn well who he is, it's all about getting the players to believe in themselves and that is one area Keegan excelled in! Would love to know who you think would be better than those 2 at this time realistically? As Shearer has been ear marked for the job anyway! Why not get them in now? Otherwise the next manager will have the same problem Big sam had with Shearer lurking in the shadows and seemingly making it an impossible job! look the point is why keegan? shearer no worries, seems nailed on at some point but why keegan? for us it'd be sentimental and everyone could have a tear in their eye...doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...surely shearer would be able to motivate? then what does keegan bring? explain to me 'cause i'm asking... Why Keegan is because why allot don't just want Shearer by himself! No expierience but under Keegan he'd gain that! I'm sure Keegan see's it as a great chance to turn us into a force again but ultimatly handing it over to Shearer when the time is right! That way we all win! We get the boost of having people who don't need to understand the mind set up here and Shearer gets the knowledge first hand instead of starting out at some s*** pot championship side. yeah, but erm, why keegan? all good reasons for shearer (arguable) but instead of keegan why not a good, experienced first team coach? it's a fair question - with shearer you get the sentimentalism so why keegan? get an actual good coach instead.... Some people do better at certain clubs and Keegan was a good coach. Yes was but he could be great again, we just don't know. All we know from fact is that he produced the best football team we've arguably ever had in 1995/1996. which was more than a decade ago, as you know man i think about how much football has changed in that decade and shit myself at the thought of keegan...think i'm probably doing the man a disservice but i doubt it we masked having a shocking defence during that time by attacking everyone, i honestly don't think you can be that naive in football any more; not even arsenal play that way

What a load of crap! They know damn well who he is, it's all about getting the players to believe in themselves and that is one area Keegan excelled in! Would love to know who you think would be better than those 2 at this time realistically? As Shearer has been ear marked for the job anyway! Why not get them in now? Otherwise the next manager will have the same problem Big sam had with Shearer lurking in the shadows and seemingly making it an impossible job! look the point is why keegan? shearer no worries, seems nailed on at some point but why keegan? for us it'd be sentimental and everyone could have a tear in their eye...doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...surely shearer would be able to motivate? then what does keegan bring? explain to me 'cause i'm asking... Why Keegan is because why allot don't just want Shearer by himself! No expierience but under Keegan he'd gain that! I'm sure Keegan see's it as a great chance to turn us into a force again but ultimatly handing it over to Shearer when the time is right! That way we all win! We get the boost of having people who don't need to understand the mind set up here and Shearer gets the knowledge first hand instead of starting out at some s*** pot championship side. yeah, but erm, why keegan? all good reasons for shearer (arguable) but instead of keegan why not a good, experienced first team coach? it's a fair question - with shearer you get the sentimentalism so why keegan? get an actual good coach instead....

Relevant? I was replying to li3nz's point about the feel good factor before kick-off if Shearer & Keegan take over. Will mean very little if on their first game they're gubbed though won't it. I genuinely believe the atmosphere will be on a level we have never seen before at this ground. I don't think we will "get grubbed" and wouldn't be surprised to see the atmosphere reflected on the players performance... maybe in a typical Keegan'esque "entertainers" wave after wave of attack, but this is dreamland stuff.... my point is the way our supporters used to get behind the team back then really did make a huge difference, as much as it is an overused saying we really were the 12th man and I think it will take a figurehead such as keegan or shearer to bring this back. we'd not lose unless we come up against a profesionall football team who believe in ability and coaching rather than mythical atmosphere's for winning games This is the point though. f****** David Copperfield could manage us, never mind Mourinho - the way things are he wouldn't be able to get a decent performance out of that lot. We need more than one of these so called tactical genius phenonenon's (by the way, I think this label is as mythical as it gets) they can't do anything with our club, we are in an extremely depressed state. By the way re: the other point about players reporting to Keegan, discipline etc, if Shearer was ultimately in charge I am in no doubt they would do anthing he said. If he told them to run through the wall they would knock the whole building down doing it. Erm, not all players - whisper it, but not even all NEWCASTLE players - have the same pathetic deification problem with Shaerer that some NUFC fans do. He was a very good player, who clearly loved NUFC. There is f*** all to say that he would be a good manager (there are lots of as good and better players who did not do well at all), and f*** all to say players would revere him like some NUFC fans do. He's not a f****** magician, we have no idea what he is like tactically, what he'd be like with transfers etc. I'd rather we got an actually GOOD manager in, and acted like a proper football club, and not a bunch of misty-eyed, fantasising fanboys. And as for someone else's comments about him being earmarked for the job - by WHO, exactly?? B - I - N - G - O

Relevant? I was replying to li3nz's point about the feel good factor before kick-off if Shearer & Keegan take over. Will mean very little if on their first game they're gubbed though won't it. I genuinely believe the atmosphere will be on a level we have never seen before at this ground. I don't think we will "get grubbed" and wouldn't be surprised to see the atmosphere reflected on the players performance... maybe in a typical Keegan'esque "entertainers" wave after wave of attack, but this is dreamland stuff.... my point is the way our supporters used to get behind the team back then really did make a huge difference, as much as it is an overused saying we really were the 12th man and I think it will take a figurehead such as keegan or shearer to bring this back. we'd not lose unless we come up against a profesionall football team who believe in ability and coaching rather than mythical atmosphere's for winning games This is the point though. f****** David Copperfield could manage us, never mind Mourinho - the way things are he wouldn't be able to get a decent performance out of that lot. We need more than one of these so called tactical genius phenonenon's (by the way, I think this label is as mythical as it gets) they can't do anything with our club, we are in an extremely depressed state. By the way re: the other point about players reporting to Keegan, discipline etc, if Shearer was ultimately in charge I am in no doubt they would do anthing he said. If he told them to run through the wall they would knock the whole building down doing it. sam allardyce had been widely regarded as the best english manager around for years, didn't stop our players ignoring him right away did it? but the point you make about shearers a good one - so if he's doing the motivating then what the fux keegan gonna do exactly? point repeated above but it needs answering

What a load of crap! They know damn well who he is, it's all about getting the players to believe in themselves and that is one area Keegan excelled in! Would love to know who you think would be better than those 2 at this time realistically? As Shearer has been ear marked for the job anyway! Why not get them in now? Otherwise the next manager will have the same problem Big sam had with Shearer lurking in the shadows and seemingly making it an impossible job! look the point is why keegan? shearer no worries, seems nailed on at some point but why keegan? for us it'd be sentimental and everyone could have a tear in their eye...doesn't mean it's the right thing to do...surely shearer would be able to motivate? then what does keegan bring? explain to me 'cause i'm asking...

Relevant? I was replying to li3nz's point about the feel good factor before kick-off if Shearer & Keegan take over. Will mean very little if on their first game they're gubbed though won't it. I genuinely believe the atmosphere will be on a level we have never seen before at this ground. I don't think we will "get grubbed" and wouldn't be surprised to see the atmosphere reflected on the players performance... maybe in a typical Keegan'esque "entertainers" wave after wave of attack, but this is dreamland stuff.... my point is the way our supporters used to get behind the team back then really did make a huge difference, as much as it is an overused saying we really were the 12th man and I think it will take a figurehead such as keegan or shearer to bring this back. we'd not lose unless we come up against a profesionall football team who believe in ability and coaching rather than mythical atmosphere's for winning games

question - would any of the existing squad respect keegan if he was telling them what to do and they didn't agree with it? to me this is a big factor about our next manager...we need a manager to come in and say run through that wall (not literally but you know?) to a player and for him to set off without hesitation our squad of players will know keegans basically a failure or won't know who he is....so why the fuck would they do what he says?

The prices have gone up and there's more technology now but football is inherently a simple game is it not? Sam's technology really worked a treat! Incredibly simple. Our new manager needs to inspire. You could say the figurehead in this instance, is just as important as any other trait people babble on about on here such as the likes of Mourinho's experience, good as it may be, he is never going to join us and he would not be able to apply his skills well to the job without a massive transfer fund anyway. Football is incredibly simple, a player with such experience as Shearer knows enough about the game to manage a team! Especially alongside someone like Keegan. Anyway, what excites me is the thought of the first game at St James', if Keegan and Shearer were in the dugout. The atmosphere would be immense, makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck thinking about it. ok fair point about inspiration - question though: who else do you think could bring that atmosphere to the ground, if anyone? Anyone who made sensible decisions, bought good players and didn't f*** up constantly - and therefore had us playing well - woudl bring the atmosphere back, no bother. aye but the point he's making is before the ball is kicked style...everyone totally excited like when bobby took over, dancing about and that to me the only ones would be keegan/shearer and that's just sentimentalism.... i'm in agreement with you mind, a manager who does the things you mention would get support pretty quickly

The prices have gone up and there's more technology now but football is inherently a simple game is it not? Sam's technology really worked a treat! Incredibly simple. Our new manager needs to inspire. You could say the figurehead in this instance, is just as important as any other trait people babble on about on here such as the likes of Mourinho's experience, good as it may be, he is never going to join us and he would not be able to apply his skills well to the job without a massive transfer fund anyway. Football is incredibly simple, a player with such experience as Shearer knows enough about the game to manage a team! Especially alongside someone like Keegan. Anyway, what excites me is the thought of the first game at St James', if Keegan and Shearer were in the dugout. The atmosphere would be immense, makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck thinking about it. ok fair point about inspiration - question though: who else do you think could bring that atmosphere to the ground, if anyone?

Yep you make sense. I'm of the similar feeling. But maybe we are not able to go for the big guns yet. Exactly why it might have been better to wait till the summer. perhaps, but i'm of the opinion that in may we'll be looking at the feelgood factor of the new guy coming in being the only thing that kept us up the more i look at the fixtures from now on in the more terrified i am, and i still have confidence allardyce wouldn't have improved results enough to keep us up

Yep you make sense. I'm of the similar feeling. But maybe we are not able to go for the big guns yet. 100% right gimp...that's the way i'm looking at things now...whoever takes over needs to build, i'm not sure a lippi or hitzfeld or whoever would have the appetite for that right now

this is what i can't get my head round, i understand the shearer thing and the need to pair him with somebody if he was getting the job.... but why the hell would we not pair him with a top quality experienced coach? either from the continent or in this country?

Why is it such a bad idea? He's younger than fergie still and if he's just here to caoch and advise Shearer then why not? This club needs a big lift, and those 2 can attract a hell of alott of good players ok then in no particular order: his nervous meltdown with us in the title race, his nervous meltdown as england manager, the generally appalling play by his teams since he left us (not counting fulham as it was lower division and he had a fortune to spend), walking out on man city, walking out on england, walking out on us erm enough? then how about not watching a football match, by his own admission, since leaving man city 'cause he'd fallen out of love with the game how much can he actually do if he's not been keeping involved in football to even the extent of watching a match from time to time? do we want to wind the clock back 10 years to a time when we actually FAILED under this guy (as much as i love him he was a failure)? clubs like man u and arsenal (plus others) have spent 10 years developing since then and people are actually advocating a return to 1996? maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, throw me a fucken bone Think you're missing the point! Keegan bleeds black and white always has and with him acting either as manager until Shearer is ready, won't we have stability with both of them? They will get time and they will get the backing, now who says going back a second time won't work! Look at Harry at pompey? Infact he's doing better 2nd time round! So don't dismiss it as this would be the perfect time to get them both in! Really don't see another manager having the same impact from who's been touted around. i'm fully aware of the point, i'm ignoring it 'cause it's shit name me another PL club who would employ a man WHO DOESN'T EVEN WATCH FOOTBALL ANYMORE in any senior capacity? there isn't one, that's why it's a shit point, thousands of people bleed black and white - it doesn't qualify them for the job arguments like this serve to feed the national media their stereotype of us thinking we're a "special" club that must be understood and all that shite...the only thing to understand is put 11 players on the pitch and win games, that's it...

thanks dude, that about sums up my feelings

He knows us, we know him. If Ashley backs him in the transfer market you can be guaranteed we'll be signing world class players who excite the fans. i don't believe that would be guaranteed in the slightest, given he hasn't a sodding clue about football these days....we might get tino again thought

Why is it such a bad idea? He's younger than fergie still and if he's just here to caoch and advise Shearer then why not? This club needs a big lift, and those 2 can attract a hell of alott of good players ok then in no particular order: his nervous meltdown with us in the title race, his nervous meltdown as england manager, the generally appalling play by his teams since he left us (not counting fulham as it was lower division and he had a fortune to spend), walking out on man city, walking out on england, walking out on us erm enough? then how about not watching a football match, by his own admission, since leaving man city 'cause he'd fallen out of love with the game how much can he actually do if he's not been keeping involved in football to even the extent of watching a match from time to time? do we want to wind the clock back 10 years to a time when we actually FAILED under this guy (as much as i love him he was a failure)? clubs like man u and arsenal (plus others) have spent 10 years developing since then and people are actually advocating a return to 1996? maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, throw me a fucken bone