mrmojorisin75

wow, this thread has just left me stunned...differing opinions and all that but i never thought i'd actually hear people thinking it was a good idea to go back, especially to keegan incredible

absolute suicide, think we'd go down for sure, the mans spent the x amount of months in a fucken football circus for christs sake what makes anyone think he could do anything with us on the pitch? christ

unless he completely changed his style in two years at lyon he'll be hated at SJP, liverpool were horrible under him plus he's the manager that failed to qualify france for the 1994 world cup and blamed the whole thing on david ginola...if memory serves he actually called ginola a murderer (or something equally hyperbolic) for losing the ball before bulgaria scored in paris to put them out good man management skills like

prolly get slaughtered for this but if your scenario there happens and in 2-3 years man u come calling for hughes then the likelihood is that NUFC would have had a pretty good 2-3 years??? i'd fucken take 2-3 good years right now and hope we could build on it then....

but that's the thing with allardyce ain't it? most people accepted we needed a change in style and were prepared to see ugly for a while...problem was he never won any fucken matches!!! if hughes, or someone else, comes in and we're ugly but get some results most people will accept it i reckon

also the fact that he'll likely get some money to spend at least this window, common consensus right? otherwise why sack sam? so you'd have to imagine he'd sign at least one CM with some ability and with any luck two...maybe a striker/defender, it'll depend on the $ cover the gaps til beye/faye/martins get back from the ACN and i reckon he could play us out of relegation personally...don't see why it would HAVE to be ugly although that blackburn fan makes a good point, we're actually involved in it now, to assume otherwise is suicide

OK, so i'm not alone in thinking he'd not be the worst appointment ever made...to be honest i'd have him ahead of redknapp any day (watched some of the pompey/mackems game yesterday and seeing the like of pamarot running about i was reminded how much shit harry actually buys to go with the muntari's of this world) perhaps someone can correct me but it seems whenever hughes has dealt in the market he's come out alright? if the player he signed, like warnock or nelson for examples, aren't world beaters then they're at least pretty good and don't cost the earth...?

can someone let me in on the negativity towards hughes? his blackburn team play decent stuff with 2 wingers (one of whom is bentley that everyone here more or less masterbates over at every opportunity) and 2 skillfull tricky forwards....they're also competitive, good at the back and organised hughes has also shown by signing the likes of samba, nelson, cruz that his scouting network extends beyond the cast offs from man u, arse, chelski and liverpool not saying i think hughes is or isn't the man but as i look at the way things stand we're getting a top european coach anytime soon and i'm not hearing a lot better than hughes quite frankly

as i remember houlliers liverpool they were extremely narrow, no wingers at all...everything went through the middle via gerrard and the whole gameplan revolved around owens pace (remember the FA they stole from arsenal?) i think on his own houllier would be hated faster than allardyce not sure about his lyon team but i do remember they were horrible when he first arrived but went on to win the league, read something about it...

Martin Jol as assistant to Shearer? er, yeah...not plausible i'm aware...i was just thinking of continental managers is all (that said before spurs jol had only managed small dutch teams so he's hardly got a massive track record of running 'big' clubs on his own that would instantly discount him) can't see shearer coming back in anything other than the main seat therefore whoever was with him would be assisant...anyone but fucken venables man

i guess i'm just missing what keegan would bring to this equation - if you're bringing in experience for shearer then why not bring some experience of being a winning manager, for instance? keegan has all but said he's out of love with the game and that is not someone we need in 'charge', it really isn't now shearer plus a continental assistant and i could see it working - martin jol?

sack the manager then go and sign a player (without a manager) in perhaps the ONLY position we don't actually need someone? hm, i smell......bullshit

can't work this all out - seems to me the press only have one link at the moment and that's that ex spurs mouthpiece who's talking to the papers, he wanted redknapp once so therefore 2+2=7.2324 the pompey stats on nufc.com are diabolical, no goals at home in the last six games...they're a good side away from home but at home have no flair...last part sound familiar? why would ashley get this guy? i just can't see it...he was just arrested for match fixing allegations wasn't he? makes even less sense... i have a feeling (although it may be blind hope) that ashley is gonna pull a rabbit out of the hat here...

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ashley has a history and reputation as a maverick decision maker..the fact that "everyone" thinks he'll follow the usual path amuses me expect surprises

correct me if i'm wrong but aren't blackburn suffering one of their worst periods under hughes so far? why on gods green earth would mort/ashley follow shepherds path and pay a fortune for a declining blackburn manager? again? christ...

what, in anyones opinion, thinks a man with ashleys record of acheivement would give keegan the job (with his record of underacheivement and failure)? just out of interest? since when did internet betting websites determine what will actually happen in reality? in fact they should probably be regarded as the "anti-truth" in instances like this if it's keegan or shearer i'll eat my own shit

with little to back it up i'd guess that ashley/mort have probably looked at whatever allardyce has set up behind the scenes and have concluded one of the following 2 options; (a) what he's done it utter bollocks and they've sacked him as results/performances on the pitch are crap too (b) what he's done is good but they've seen enough to continue the work themselves and don't want to put up with the first team shit any more for the sake of the backroom mort has commented on the AMOUNT of changes that have taken place behind the scenes but little about the nature...time will tell if they're good or not (my 2 penneth i'd guess improved fitness/medical/scouting etc...might be allardyces legacy)

don't know if this has been said 'cause 17 pages is too much but if we're reading things into the "go through the proper channels" thing that's supposed to have been said wouldn't we have to approach chelski about getting mourinho? he's supposed to have a clause not letting him join another PL club so we'd have to get them to release that first? clutching at straws...!

played right back for chelski so it's probably not bullshit, cover for beye initially then midfield

sorry, but this... allardyce was supposed to change the RECENT past (which i'd characterise as pissing money away on players who don't repay it on the pitch, losing to the likes of wigan without a fight, going into games with players out of position and poor tactics, total inability to defend the basics, all that shit) - it's surely the only reason anyone "wanted" him here? as we stand the only thing he's done is not piss the money away but it's probably 'cause he never had any...the net money he did spend his looking badly wasted to me (smith/barton) so since robson, when it looked like we'd recovered from keegan hangover, we've contrived to shoot ourselves in the foot with the managers appointed and players bought...again allardyce was supposed to end that but hasn't and isn't showing signs of it as yet for what it's worth i'm for giving him the 3 years he's harping on about but i strongly fear that at the end of it we'll be little more than bolton were when he left them...worst case we might be in the championship with the best fitness regime and training facilities around though (plus side i think he's seeing himself as an english wenger and given the chance will continue signing bairns like tozer so that in a few years time he'll have a number of good kids ready to play (the fact that these players already existed at man city, who are used as an example of what we should be, is far too easily overlooked...if allardyce had a richards/johnson/ireland/etuhu/onahua waiting for him when he arrived things might be different somewhat in terms of who he bought?))

You forgot to mention the wages saving. Give those kids £3k a week contracts, and you are still paying less than Owen's wages. we're onto something here man...factor in owens wages and we could probably add another, say, 5 17 year olds (being conservative) 3-4 years of agony while we spend no money (so no big change in circumstances then) and bang....the world is ours!

new transfer policy - throw (relatively) small amounts of money at 17 years olds showing promise.... probability suggests that in 3-4 years time we'll end up with some decent players surely better than blowing 17m on a cripple in one shot? if we'd have spent that 17m on, say, 30 17 year olds we'd just be about to see a crop of 20 year old genii take the world by storm ah, sweet hindsight, what a cruel mistress you are

Brilliant i like the way you think they've 'found' it as opposed to 'scoured' for it...

100% agreed, i posted something similar a few pages ago we've a dilemma with martins (probably with duff/owen too) if we're going to blindly follow the managers plans as none of them really fit into allardyces style, and thus either he changes his style or we change our players martins scores goals, regardless of whatever nonsense is being touted on here about him, put him up front ready to use his pace to run AT CB's or get in behind them and he WILL get goals, it's a fact play him on the wing and we're fucked with martins, he's proving week in week out he can't/won't do it so we've got a good, young, FIT striker who is not being played as one and either we ship him to a rival who'll play him to his strengths or WE play him to his strengths crossroads time - do we all turst allardyce to, for example, sell the likes to martins/owen/duff (it's my opinion that these two won't fit allardyces system either, arguable though) and replace them with good enough players? so far he's not shown me he can do that - we let souness "revamp" the squad and look what that got us for 50m or whatever it was