mrmojorisin75

"Any chance we could give Smith the old blackface and bundle him on a plane to Ghana?" genius

out of interest does anyone know, in detail, what allardyce did when okocha left? in terms of replacing his role in the team? i remember that period well when okocha had licence to play and the grafters covered him...what happened when he left? was it just another hod-carrier in his place? guess it must have been 'cause i can't remember them putting anyone similar in there talk about clutching at straws, he once put a ball player in his team so he MIGHT do the same with us!

Yepp! I love Obafemi as a player. But his carreer will soon be ruined if he stays with NUFC. I would love to see some magic from Martins in the future. So far Sam sticks with the S*** tactics, it won't happen in NUFC. So it's allmost I hope - but that doesn't mean I like it - Martins gets a club where they play attacking football. He deserves to show his qualities you'll all be kicking yourselves if he moves to another club in england - put martins in a team with (a) a coach that can drill some runs into him, remind him how to make the best of his pace and (b) have the players/tactics to best exploit that pace and he WILL score a lot of goals and be dangerous does no-one think coaching is necessary any more? he's patently not had any since he left inter so is it any surprise his game is getting poorer? martins needs to be put through the middle and his sole purpose needs to be using his pace to unsettle defenders with better runs, stretching defences and creating space for others...he'd gain confidence and start scoring again right now he's being asked to play like a winger and the only time he sees the ball it's going over his head, flying at him at chest height on the wing, or he's got his back to the goal on the touchline the best thing for martins would be to leave NUFC if allardyce stays, if allardyce goes we need to keep him and get a coach who can improve players, not just piss and moan because those players can't play his "system" 10m too much, get a fuken grip man...we paid 6m for smith for christ'ss sake, is someone trying to tell me 10m is too much for martins in this climate? clowns

cracked me up that did

Everton were a state when Moyes went in, he kept them up and then got them into the top 7 in his first-season so he earned himself a bit of time when they struggled the next season. Allardyce has shown me nothing to suggest he can get us even upto 7th anytime soon. oh no, agreed, they were relegation fodder when he took over...but don't forget we finshed 3 points off relegation last season and allardyce had to bring in 8 players and our squad is STILL shit what i'm saying is once he'd kept them up and stabilised them they were still horrible to watch for a long time but it obviously wasn't the end game in his mind as proven by his current side, you have to presume the current shambles isn't allardyces end game either allardyce has shown me nothing too, just think moyes is a good example of the fans not turning on him for the quality of the football/results...we're ripping allardyce apart and seem to be relishing it

something i find interesting in this current climate is the role of mort/ashley...they're not "football people" in the sense that they've never owned/ran clubs before and as a result they seem to be taking a non-football view of the current situation and taking a large account our recent hire and fire policy under shepherd, it's almost like they won't repeat his mistakes the question is this: are they right this time? is allardyce the man that NEEDS sacking when others didn't or is he the man that needs the time when others didn't? if they're wrong we'll be playing stoke again next season in the championship

moyes ain't a bad example actually...his brand of football early days at everton was little short of disgusting, i actually hated watching them play, it made me dislike football...and his results were up and down in the extreme season to season that said he was obviously using a brand of functional football to get the point he's at now, where they're competitive AND play a fair bit i think if we all knew that in a year or two's time were would be playing like everton he'd get more time/support - trouble is, to me, everyone thinks we're watching the end product NOW probably a very harsh assumption on the part of many and a massive disservice to allardyce

But we didn't pass the ball over the midfield last night. The midfield had plenty of the ball, but couldn't do a thing with it. Also passing to a team mate is not the same thing as being able to pass through a defence for a team mate to run on to, something none of the three you mentioned have been able to do. Still I agree with part of what your saying. Even if we bought someone like Elano he would be wasted in the massive majority of games with the way Allardyce wants his team to "play". However I think last night he would have made a world of difference. without sitting and analysing the game again it's hard to refure what you say exactly, but for me unless zog/beye start the moves or one of the hoofs out of defence gets lucky for a 2nd ball we generally bypass the midfield entirely you gotsta talk in generalisations otherwise it'd be impossible to discuss football, and this generalisation is accurate since day one at bolton this season where we actually looked good 'cause the punts upfield were actually well aimed % balls that allowed martins to exploit the gaps with his pace whatever happened to that i've no idea but regardless football is a simple game and whether you have a player with the ability of elano or not it's simple enough to give the ball to one of your CM's and the winger/striker make space for the ball to be played into...butt/barton/emre all HAD that quality of pass in their locker so what happened? presumably allardyce happened

love all this "playmaker" garbage being bandied about if elano was playing for us last night the result would have been the same, surely everyone can see that? we have passed the ball over the midfield all season so why would we start going through a playmaker now? barton/butt/emre have all been known for being able to pass the ball to their team mates before this season so why are they not now? tactics must be the reason witness nzogbia disappering from the game yesterday when he went to the wing - he looks so good at left back as he sees shitloads of the ball from defence (beye similar but a little less)...as soon as he moved to the wing he never saw the ball as it was flying over his head for the rest of the match if zog/beye don't take the ball out of defence and start a "passing move" then it doesn't happen...we've patently been set up this way the whole season as some type of plan so what makes anyone think we're gonna become man city overnight?

Allardyce is quite good at cloning Graeme Souness football zing!

Martins worked the channels, stretched them, created room for others. Owen needs service. That's not the point, it's the result that's important. Sam got it proper' wrong playing 4-4-2, and 4-3-3 the other week. Should try a 1-1-8 we'd score loads of goalz, I mean goals... If he had been on a few mins longer he would have put away that first chance imo. Maybe so. It was the only decent ball we played up to him that I can remember. If we HAD given him another one he would have scored his strike rate says so. Joking aside we have basically been set back by two bad descisions in two big games. But that will average out as the season progresses. Generally happy tonight. Zoggy was magnificent as was Faye. Beye gave Petrov as good a game as any full back this season at a guess. charlie was a perfect example of our problems tonight until he switched from left back he was our most dangerous player by far and that's simply 'cause when he gets the ball at left back he almost always skins a player then takes the ball forward and one-twos or whatever moving the play on EVERYONE else on the pitch shits themself when they get the ball and hits it long (or are being told to) and thus we mever create anything the moment charlie moved to left wing we never saw him again for the simple reason that HE wasn't there to bring the ball out of defence and pass it to himself anyone any good at cloning?

who's that, me? i don't want him to get sacked - i want him to show us he's got some fucken answers...i want him to perform half as well as he talks himself up to be able to do, i want him to earn his money it's alright saying he's brought in a new team and needs time and blah blah blah but the examples are there from other teams this season that changes can be made with coaching and different tactics/methods/approaches, so why isn't he? we're falling into the souness trap of him trying to get us believe it's ALL the players...is it? is it really....? or is SOME of it, just some of it, attributable to the coach?

i'd mirror that worry in a different way, his utter inability to affect a change in proceedings he's got no answers when we're behind - remind you of anyone else that's managed the club recently?

I think you might be talking rubbish. how so? they'd not won in 3 either... it's alright saying man city are 5th or whatever when they beat us but they've generally been poor away from home and they beat us with ease how is that rubbish?

football means alot in football, and put into football terms this was a s*** result and performance touche

notice no-ones mentioned man city haven't won away since the opening day of the season context means a lot in football, and put into context this was a shite result and performance

you and me both

this situation again shows me allardyce isn't as clever as he thinks - he could, and should, bring it all to head by firstly publicly offering shearer a role in his coaching staff and he should do it now then one of 3 things happens...(1) shearer takes it, consolodates allardyces position and gives some much needed perspective to the manager and starts him on the "experience" path people say he needs before getting the job himself or (2) he publicly knocks it back which then leads to (3) the owner/chairman have to give either unconditional backing to allardyce or put everyone out of their misery, sack him and give the job to shearer or someone else to be honest it's the first thing he should have done when he walked through the door in the summer in my opinion mort (on behalf of ashley) needs to come out now and say to EVERYONE that allardyce will not be sacked until the end of his contract under any circumstances...they back him each time we lose but it's always open to interpretation that he might be sacked later either they say hes got 3 years or they sack him, anything else just perpetuates the myth that he's on dodgy ground

if we sign ANYONE this window it'll be none of the people mentioned here...they're all paper rumour players or Football Manager masturbation players wes brown might be the only one we look at as it's an allardyce signing, i.e. potentially cheap but then man u have the position of power unlike many other bosmans...what'll they care if they take 2m now for brown...i'm sure given they're challenging for the title they'd rather keep him in the event of injury and let go for nothing in the summer when they'll go and spend their now obligatory 50m on new players allardyce will be going for people not mentioned here and likely barely heard of 'cause money will be the object otherwise, unless barca are throwing deco away for peanuts or something daft

I'm now thinking between 12th and 14th, that's simply not good enough. Does anybody think Allardyce should be here next season if we finish as low as 12th? No, I don't Mick - you can't justify this however you try and as for doing better against the top sides, how have we performed this season against Liverpool and Pompey at SJP..?? OK, we got a 'fighting' draw against Arsenal, but does anyone think we will do the same to Man U(twice),Arsenal(Away), Villa(away)and Liverpool(away)?? And I haven't even mentioned Everton(away) or Spurs(away - vastly different proposition under Ramos since we beat them earlier this season).. From those 7 games, I will be surprised if we get more than 3 points, so that leaves another 14 points to get from 12 games if we want 43 points........ when written like that we have a frightening, frightening end to the season ahead of us...

this - owen actually performs in big international games when he's fit...would be extremely harsh to drop him out of the picture altogether as there's no-one about with near the same ability/exerience ratio as for the rest i think it'd be a great, great move by capello - drop terry, lampard, gerrard right out of the first squad and tell them to earn their places back lets face it, we'd lose nothing ON the pitch except 3 enormous egos

Yes, he will get more money to spend on Carl Cort, Hugo Viana, Bassedas, Bellamy, Titus Bramble, Kluivert and Andy O`Brien. smith and joey barton are probably considered successes by allardyce - whenever they play they run a lot and put in tackles and pass the ball (nowhere) doesn't matter that they're shite, computers can't really tell you that can they?

well we can't decide that can we? he's had 6 months trying it his way and we're as bad as we've been in recent times, right? if not worse so either the system doesn't work (not true), the players we have can not play the system (perhaps) or they're simply bad players (not true for all) it's somewhere between 2 & 3 for me...some players can play his way some can't (and maybe some won't) so i'm suggesting he tread the middle ground until he can get the players he knows can do it....how longs that gonna take by the way? players like butt/emre/barton/smith have all been brought up in footballing schools that teach the art of pass and move (man u, inter, man city, leeds) and now they're being asked to hoof the ball into open spaces and run around a lot...it's no wonder we never string two passes together but yeah, let's stick with being played off our own pitch by derby, working well for everyone that

i would 100% agree with that 'cause i honestly think off the pitch he'd make this club MUCH stronger...problem would be his ego, he'd never take the job in my opinion, still thinks he's the best manager in town, but don't they all?

isn't this about the first time we really NEEDN'T consider the financial side of sacking the man? comes down to one question: are the things he's implementing off the pitch good/worth enough to outweigh the utter dogshit he's serving up on it? hard for us to say really ain't it? but they'd better be DAMN good eh?