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Yes you'd just have to pray we'd get lucky with whoever bought it. Ashley would not give a shit who he sells to as long as they pay what he wants. There have been some decent owners move in. John Henry at Liverpool so far seems to have gone about it the right way, without having Man City type money to throw around.

Exactly. I would want to find out what has gone wrong first, not just 'get him in'' Whatever it was Swansea have just coughed up £4.5 million to get rid of him.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00979/freddy_shepherd1_979057c.jpg If those two did a deal like that I'd give it three years max before there was a high profile legal dispute.

Started his club career with a 4 year shift at a Danish club, he left them in 2006. It's been a bit volatile since then.

Never heard that rumour. If its true then the role of DOF really doesn't exist.

They're both loans with a view to a permanent deal. We're trying them out first to see if they're a good fit. We did the same thing with Ben Arfa & Stephen Ireland. It means nowt. We won't sign either of them though You seem very confident given that you can't possibly know that. Could have had Remy already couldn't we? But haven't made any attempt to? You don't find that odd? And we haven't signed a player for two windows, so I'd base it on that The rape case may have played a part in the Remy situation,

Mort was a good communicator and a decent PR man. But it was his strategic review of the club that led to the club implementing a structure that had a DOF and, of course, Dennis Wise getting that role.

It's possible. I suppose the two extreme theories are your one and the one that he has had a mandate to sign players but due to utterly incompetent negotiationg he's failed in two windows. This club....

Why does anyone have to be 'next'? Because I think the atmosphere at SJP will become quite toxic over the remainder of the season. TBF we don't know how toxic it has been so far this season. I find it hard to believe that Kinnear's collleagues liked working with him, especially with him being the mate of the owner. I could imagine him giving it large due to that connection. I meant within the ground. I think the team will struggle over the remainder of the season. Ah ok. Yes there will be no patience if we just limp through to the end of the season.

I think the main thing about Llambias is that he had built up some experience of working in the transfer market and knew how to get things done. As evidence we signed 5 players in one month last year (should have been 6). That's quite a lot to get "over the line". The experience he had built up walked out of the door when he did.

Why does anyone have to be 'next'? Because I think the atmosphere at SJP will become quite toxic over the remainder of the season. TBF we don't know how toxic it has been so far this season. I find it hard to believe that Kinnear's collleagues liked working with him, especially with him being the mate of the owner. I could imagine him giving it large due to that connection.

John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club. 'Before', Derek Llambias was in charge. Llambias had two roles, player transfers and day to day control. When Llambias left Kinnear was given the football stuff and the day to day running was put in the hands of Charnley and Irving. Llambias resigned. That's worked out well since, hasn't it. Saves on staffing costs I guess. Er it clearly hasn't worked out well at all. But anyway are you happy that you now know that the day to day running of the club is not affected by Kinnear's departure? My point is that this was a f***ing laughably bad decision in the first place now made even worse by the fact it's not been maintained. Before Kinnear came we had a managing director, now we don't. I know what you're saying about Kinnear's influence but it still feels like we're even worse off than when Llambias was here. I agree it was a brainless decision to appoint Kinnear and also agree we are worse off than when Llambias was here. He did at least seem to be able to get deals done when needed. Here's an article from the Chronicle last summer that explains the split of responsibilities: Bigger board role for Newcastle United financial director John Irving 21 Jun 2013 08:49 Newcastle United financial director John Irving is set to step up his role in the Magpies’ boardroom in the aftermath of Derek Llambias’ resignation. The former casino chief’s departure coincided with the arrival of Joe Kinnear as director of football. Kinnear had previously made suggestions Llambias had been sidelined for a more “financial” role. However, Llambias told the club on Tuesday evening that he was ready to call it a day. His exit has left a void in the boardroom. but it is set to be filled by a combination of Tyneside native Irving and current football secretary Lee Charnley. There has also been a suggestion owner Mike Ashley would opt to bring in a chief executive. Irving, though, is still thought to become a more prominent figure upstairs. However, while Llambias was his right-hand man at Newcastle during his five-year stint, the owner will now gain a take on the football side of things from the ex-Wimbledon and Nottingham Forest boss.

John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club. 'Before', Derek Llambias was in charge. Llambias had two roles, player transfers and day to day control. When Llambias left Kinnear was given the football stuff and the day to day running was put in the hands of Charnley and Irving. Llambias resigned. That's worked out well since, hasn't it. Saves on staffing costs I guess. Er it clearly hasn't worked out well at all. But anyway are you happy that you now know that the day to day running of the club is not affected by Kinnear's departure?

John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club. 'Before', Derek Llambias was in charge. Llambias had two roles, player transfers and day to day control. When Llambias left Kinnear was given the football stuff and the day to day running was put in the hands of Charnley and Irving.

John Irving and Lee Charnley, same as before, Kinnear had nothing to do with the day to day running of the club.

The wording of the club statement means that he was sacked. He's been given a payoff and both sides have agreed to say nothing abut the other. This is the way people get sacked these days.

well f*** me. Their contempt of us knows no bounds does it. There is no more to say - the wording of that notice from the club means he's been sacked. Eh, how about why, how about what happens now. How about telling us something more than just ignoring us as per usual. It's like when anyone anywhere gets sacked these days, the person being sacked gets a payoff and there is a "compromise agreement" where both sides agree to say nothing. I see Di Canio seems to getting into a bit of trouble over breaching his agreement.

well f*** me. Their contempt of us knows no bounds does it. There is no more to say - the wording of that notice from the club means he's been sacked.

If this is true it's actually more scary than the alternative in a way. Means Ashley actually thought JFK could do a job. For a self made very successful man, it was one hell of a f***ing mental decision. What a prat well its not like he hasn't made mental decisions before Yup, his ownership has been littered with decisions that are beyond stupid.

Don't know who Peter Graves is and there will be plenty who think otherwise - but I believe that.

thats a damn good question Charnley and Irving do the day to day running of the club, no change there. Kinnear supposedly handled "player business". I hear the cynics loud and clear on him having achieved his purpose, I'll run with the idea that he's gone because he was utter crap at the job(what a surprise) and Pardew has seen him off.

Roeder got us to 7th, that's close to 5th. Yup. Wullie asked why he got off lightly when we had that shocking sequence of results. The point I was trying to make is that Pardew had built up some support because he got us close to a CL spot ending up in 5th place and it was done over a full season. None of the others did that.

I think Martinez (or anyone worth considering) would not take the job with Kinnear as DOF so that question is not really answerable . Also I cannot believe anyone would disagree with your final sentence. Fair enough - I suppose the question isn't all that great. On the basis that there are lots of better managers out there than Pardew, it is reasonable to assume they would be doing better than him. I just can't work out by how much he is underperforming and where we should reasonably expect to be (caveated of course by the fact that we should be aiming to win stuff and shouldn't limit ourselves..). Taking the results in isolation on a spreadsheet, he's not doing a bad job this season. As a supporter, this result coupled with the cup performances/results have been a disgusting slap in the face. Personally I could never ever forgive him for last season's derby, now that he's doubled it up though I don't know how anybody could. Gullitt walked after dropping Shearer and losing a derby match 2-1 at home, and the press called his team sheet the equivalent of a suicide note. Yet Pardew loses two successive home derbies 3-0 on the bounce and yet the fans are still sympathetic. I'm flabbergasted tbh. We just seem to accept derby defeats with a shrug of the shoulders these days. I get your point, but we were doing a hell of a lot worse in terms of league position under Gullit so I am not sure it is comparable? We weren't last season after 0-3 and 0-6 and he still had far more fans than Gullit/Souness/Roeder/Allardyce ever had. He'd managed a 5th place and a manager of the season award. None of the others came close to that.

Because Kinnear is heading the negotiation team? Honestly don't know what's going on. Never liked Llambias but we did get done some business done in his time. Is Kinnear doing what Ashley wants by signing no one? Or was he given a mandate to sign a player or two but (for the second window in a row) failed? Surely he has to be out of his depth handling player transfers ffs. Just don't know what the f*** is going on here right now. Yeah but I read the question as basically, "can newcastle United make signings?" To which he tried to duck out of. Seemed odd Yes I agree it was odd. Maybe he didn't want to or could not say "because our Director of football, who is a great mate of the owner, is useless at his job" or maybe he didn't want to or could not say "because the owner has given the order that we buy no one". Yet again maybe he just doesn't know what's going on. Agree with Wullie's point about him being the anti Keegan FWIW.

Because Kinnear is heading the negotiation team? Honestly don't know what's going on. Never liked Llambias but we did get done some business done in his time. Is Kinnear doing what Ashley wants by signing no one? Or was he given a mandate to sign a player or two but (for the second window in a row) failed? Surely he has to be out of his depth handling player transfers ffs. Just don't know what the fuck is going on here right now.