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Not yet, no. so you are reading what you want into the events of the last 18 months. Do you also think we aren't worse off than 18 months ago ? Are you saying you know better than Shay Given, and think he should give your man more time ? he isnt 'his' man though is he? he's the person who happens to own the club, just because you've pledged allegiance to one man doesnt mean the rest of us have to do the same Pledge Allegiance ? I've just got an inclination to actually support people who do well for the club, and don't particularly feel the same about people who don't. its a shame you haven't got an inclination to review your opinion of people once they start doing the opposite of 'well for the club', you're allowed to reconsider the evidence you know, it isnt a sign of weakness. quite the opposite infact. scientists do it quite a bit, seems to work for them........ Choosing to back your manager and show ambition, rather than the opposite, is probably the most important thing you need from a board of directors. If you and others have learned nothing from the last 18 months, surely this will be first ? Supporting a change from a board that shows ambition to one that won't, is only going to go one way. choosing the manager in the first place is the most important thing,as has been pointed out to you enough times....1 wrong choice is forgivable,2 sets off alarm bells,3 is enough,if you are employed,to cost you your job. no. Good managers leave s*** clubs for ambitious ones. You still appear to have a problem with us not appointing one of the 2 or 3 winning managers because everybody else does it ? i have a problem with those 3 managerial appointments being crap from day one of each of their respective tenures................ and everyone knowing it was going to happen. wrong. Some people even supported Souness right until the end. So were those people right or wrong to back Shepherd et al's decision to the very end?

Because its the reason for the subject of the thread ? so what if he stays? I hope he stays, I hope Owen stays, I hope zoggy stays, and I hope we make 2 trophy signings this month, stay up, and then a couple more trophy signings in the summer. With the above scenario, which would restore some trust in Mike Ashley and show me that he might have something like the ambition that we are used to seeing, I would stop the criticism of him. Will it happen ? I doubt it. You need to know what "trophy signing" is before you start using it in sentences you really ought to look back and see the amount of people who claimed that we bought lots of trophy signings, enroute to qualifying regularly in europe of course. You need to know what "enroute" is before you start using it in sentences. is that the first comprehensible sentence you've ever posted ? Possibly, yes. Why?

Because its the reason for the subject of the thread ? so what if he stays? I hope he stays, I hope Owen stays, I hope zoggy stays, and I hope we make 2 trophy signings this month, stay up, and then a couple more trophy signings in the summer. With the above scenario, which would restore some trust in Mike Ashley and show me that he might have something like the ambition that we are used to seeing, I would stop the criticism of him. Will it happen ? I doubt it. You need to know what "trophy signing" is before you start using it in sentences you really ought to look back and see the amount of people who claimed that we bought lots of trophy signings, enroute to qualifying regularly in europe of course. You need to know what "enroute" is before you start using it in sentences.

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago! Like it or not, that is the reason why people were more willing to give Keegan time, and happily pin their hopes on him. Some completely ungrateful people on here, who in some way or another wouldn't even support the club if it wasn't for Kevin Keegan. You mean Halls and Shepherd, right? No I don't. Pretty ungrateful. Aye you're completely right. I'm so ungrateful that they brought us to the level that we all know the club should be at. I don't appreciate this at all. I genuinely cant think of what to put - not heard such blinkered rambling since the NE5 vs World thread. Do you know what the ironic thing in all this is? The reason he left in the first place.... I know why Keegan left in the first place. I also know that the time was up for the Halls & Shepherd and we needed a change. As no matter how good it was at times under them, this doesn't excuse everything since sacking SBR, which started the current mess we're in. Shame we ended up with Ashley though. Then that makes 2 of us. What do you think of his decision to leave then? All Im saying is that his major football manangement achievment was 16 years ago, what more perspective do you need? No other big club would be as sentimental in the exact same situation, certainly wouldnt protest to the extent they did. Nobody is achieveing anything by backing Keegan, come the end of Januaray I'll know for sure whether I was right to back Ashley, either I 'win' or we both lose. Btw it's not just about backing Keegan, it's backing what I feel is best for the club. And I feel it would be better for the club if Mike Ashley wasn't it's owner as he's proven to me that he hasn't got what it takes. That's my stance on things. Thats fair enough I disagree, unless you have Ashley down as a complete Charlatan who had no intention of signing Modric, Woodgate or Aimar then you'll of seen glimpses of his intentions for the club in his 2 season he's made a club record bid, he's spent the most ever for a full back and the most ever for a defender. He's also imprved the first team no end since Roeder was in charge. All fair points which I can't argue with at all. Llambias needs to go btw, or at least take some ownership of the problem and at least attempt to communicate with fans. He's meant to be the face of the club, yet you don't hear a thing from him. Agreed, Im not sure what his role is in all this and ive defended him in the past but with the likes of Mort sniffing around i'll happily have DL lose his place so Mort can come back. If it was him who released the FACT statement, he needs stoning not sacking. EDIT: not the good kind.

Because its the reason for the subject of the thread ? so what if he stays? I hope he stays, I hope Owen stays, I hope zoggy stays, and I hope we make 2 trophy signings this month, stay up, and then a couple more trophy signings in the summer. With the above scenario, which would restore some trust in Mike Ashley and show me that he might have something like the ambition that we are used to seeing, I would stop the criticism of him. Will it happen ? I doubt it. You need to know what "trophy signing" is before you start using it in sentences

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago! Like it or not, that is the reason why people were more willing to give Keegan time, and happily pin their hopes on him. Some completely ungrateful people on here, who in some way or another wouldn't even support the club if it wasn't for Kevin Keegan. You mean Halls and Shepherd, right? No I don't. Pretty ungrateful. Aye you're completely right. I'm so ungrateful that they brought us to the level that we all know the club should be at. I don't appreciate this at all. I genuinely cant think of what to put - not heard such blinkered rambling since the NE5 vs World thread. Do you know what the ironic thing in all this is? The reason he left in the first place.... I know why Keegan left in the first place. I also know that the time was up for the Halls & Shepherd and we needed a change. As no matter how good it was at times under them, this doesn't excuse everything since sacking SBR, which started the current mess we're in. Shame we ended up with Ashley though. Then that makes 2 of us. What do you think of his decision to leave then? All Im saying is that his major football manangement achievment was 16 years ago, what more perspective do you need? No other big club would be as sentimental in the exact same situation, certainly wouldnt protest to the extent they did. Nobody is achieveing anything by backing Keegan, come the end of Januaray I'll know for sure whether I was right to back Ashley, either I 'win' or we both lose. Btw it's not just about backing Keegan, it's backing what I feel is best for the club. And I feel it would be better for the club if Mike Ashley wasn't it's owner as he's proven to me that he hasn't got what it takes. That's my stance on things. Thats fair enough I disagree, unless you have Ashley down as a complete Charlatan who had no intention of signing Modric, Woodgate or Aimar then you'll of seen glimpses of his intentions for the club in his 2 season he's made a club record bid, he's spent the most ever for a full back and the most ever for a defender. He's also imprved the first team no end since Roeder was in charge.

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago! Like it or not, that is the reason why people were more willing to give Keegan time, and happily pin their hopes on him. Some completely ungrateful people on here, who in some way or another wouldn't even support the club if it wasn't for Kevin Keegan. You mean Halls and Shepherd, right? No I don't. Pretty ungrateful. Aye you're completely right. I'm so ungrateful that they brought us to the level that we all know the club should be at. I don't appreciate this at all. I genuinely cant think of what to put - not heard such blinkered rambling since the NE5 vs World thread. Do you know what the ironic thing in all this is? The reason he left in the first place.... I know why Keegan left in the first place. I also know that the time was up for the Halls & Shepherd and we needed a change. As no matter how good it was at times under them, this doesn't excuse everything since sacking SBR, which started the current mess we're in. Shame we ended up with Ashley though. Then that makes 2 of us. What do you think of his decision to leave then? All Im saying is that his major football manangement achievment was 16 years ago, what more perspective do you need? No other big club would be as sentimental in the exact same situation, certainly wouldnt protest to the extent they did. I don't blame him for leaving then as well, as things changed completely due to the PLC. Imagine how you would have felt if some no-mark in football came along and told you that you had to sell either Shearer or Ferdinand to balance the books, I'd have been fuming. He threw it all away becasue of that. To me thats petulant, to others its noble. If Keegan stayed he could of been of the best managers in the game, he could of had an empire like Fergie, i genuinely believe that but he didnt, he threw it all away for something that most managers have to do in their career. He consigned himself to the average managers club off the back of that decision, hence the reason i dont see why this club couldnt recover easily from his loss the second time round. Shame the fans didnt see it the logical way either.

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago! Like it or not, that is the reason why people were more willing to give Keegan time, and happily pin their hopes on him. Some completely ungrateful people on here, who in some way or another wouldn't even support the club if it wasn't for Kevin Keegan. You mean Halls and Shepherd, right? No I don't. Pretty ungrateful. Aye you're completely right. I'm so ungrateful that they brought us to the level that we all know the club should be at. I don't appreciate this at all. I genuinely cant think of what to put - not heard such blinkered rambling since the NE5 vs World thread. Do you know what the ironic thing in all this is? The reason he left in the first place.... I know why Keegan left in the first place. I also know that the time was up for the Halls & Shepherd and we needed a change. As no matter how good it was at times under them, this doesn't excuse everything since sacking SBR, which started the current mess we're in. Shame we ended up with Ashley though. Then that makes 2 of us. What do you think of his decision to leave then? All Im saying is that his major football manangement achievment was 16 years ago, what more perspective do you need? No other big club would be as sentimental in the exact same situation, certainly wouldnt protest to the extent they did. Nobody is achieveing anything by backing Keegan, come the end of Januaray I'll know for sure whether I was right to back Ashley, either I 'win' or we both lose.

Because its the reason for the subject of the thread ? so what if he stays?

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago! Like it or not, that is the reason why people were more willing to give Keegan time, and happily pin their hopes on him. Some completely ungrateful people on here, who in some way or another wouldn't even support the club if it wasn't for Kevin Keegan. You mean Halls and Shepherd, right? No I don't. Pretty ungrateful. Aye you're completely right. I'm so ungrateful that they brought us to the level that we all know the club should be at. I don't appreciate this at all. I genuinely cant think of what to put - not heard such blinkered rambling since the NE5 vs World thread. Do you know what the ironic thing in all this is? The reason he left in the first place....

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago! Like it or not, that is the reason why people were more willing to give Keegan time, and happily pin their hopes on him. Some completely ungrateful people on here, who in some way or another wouldn't even support the club if it wasn't for Kevin Keegan. You mean Halls and Shepherd, right? No I don't. Pretty ungrateful.

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago! Like it or not, that is the reason why people were more willing to give Keegan time, and happily pin their hopes on him. Some completely ungrateful people on here, who in some way or another wouldn't even support the club if it wasn't for Kevin Keegan. You mean Halls and Shepherd, right?

Wasnt Shay one of the players who couldnt believe it when Kinnear got the job? Apparently he was disgusted with the decision, cant rememeber the rumour exactly. Maybe that has something to do with it.

So he's proud of having us teetering 2 points off the relegation zone by New Year, with a squad boasting genuine quality like Michael Owen, Martins, Beye, Given, Nicky Butt, Jonas. The guy's a f***ing clown. How anyone can't be thoroughly f***ing sick of this utter muppet taking our team forward is beyond me. Makes me vom, the idea that this is the guy who is our current pioneer. He's a knob. And i know there's no one better and he's better than Hughton, blah blah blah, but i mean someone on here summed it up earlier on. "I think he's done a better job than any of us could." Oh right, that's alright then, thank f*** we didn't appoint a total amateur from an internet message board with no footballing experience whatsoever. We'd really be in the s*** then. Funny thing is Keegan had a similar record at the end of last season and most seen it as being great. Spot on baggio. Can't see why everyone is being so f***ing ungrateful. Ungrateful? So who else would have come to save us? f***ing superman? f*** no. Fact is kinnear had the bollocks to go for the job, where as many, many c***s turned it down. He was what, 17th choice? What else do you f***ing expect? So, why exactly should we be grateful? Because it could have been much worse. A bit of Denis Wise? I'm sure you'd all love that 'You'd all' refers to who exactly? No, I wouldn't have loved that, for the same reason that I don't love Kinnear. They're both s*** managers. I'm still not entirely sure how 'it could have been worse' can be seen as a reason to be grateful to a man that has done very little. Bit like keegan in his second spell then. Difference is that Keegan brought us into the premiership and kept us up. He also saved us from falling into the 3rd tier of football in his first season. He may not have set many fires in his second spell but for what he's done I'll always respect Keegan much more than Joe Kinnear who will never achieve the kind of league finishes that Keegan did. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasnt that 16 years ago? I respect what Keegan did many years ago, but as a realist i think his achievments for this club are a tad outdated. 16 years ago!

Exactly. He should have went in that summer the same time Liverpool got rid of Houllier and replaced with a top class replacement. For all the stick Shepherd gets, when some of it to me is undeserved this to me was the biggest mistake of his tenure as Chairman. Theres 2 things about this though; the way he was undermined and sacked it must of made the job unappealing, epspceially with the way he was viewed in the football world with regards to what he'd done for the club, are there many top class candidates who'd of liked to work in that environment? (If i rememeber correctly 3 or 4 people turned down that job- with the club in prime position) And the second thing is that there was no available top class mnagaer at the time in the British Isles who;d had the pedigree to suceed and improve on SBR. Whilst Liverpool were showing ambition and due care about their next managerial appointmant and scouring the globe for a good successor we had NO intention of looking past Dover. We had just had, in my opinion one of the top british managers of all time at our club, did he not deserve one more season, even Wenger is being afforded more seasons even though he's not won anything in 4(?)

If it wasnt an approval of sacking from the majority of fans who booed - then how come we barely heard a whimper when he was sacked? I was furious with the decison becasue it was the wrong decision. Nufc fans had forgotten from where they'd come from and the torrent of abuse was quite frankly shameful. I remember writing a post a while back on why NUFC fans arent as great as they think they are and this event featured very heavily. Ill always look at the decision to sack SBR to be the one decision that has dragged the club back 5 years and put us permanantely in the chasing pack rather than the front runners. Heartbreaking. It was the right decision but at the wrong time. Yeh, you're right, it was a season too early. At least.

part of Givens quote ‘When he signed a new five-year contract in 2006 it was on the basis that the club would challenge for major honours, but on the present evidence all that he can see ahead with the turmoil on and off the pitch is a battle for survival." Pm me about it if you like, but I can't see the point. This, in my opinion, is what this is all about, however you and one or two others might wish to deny it. we haven't challenged for major honours since robsons team finished 3rd, been downhill ever since. 3rd. Under the embarrassing old regime ? You don't say. How can that be possible. Back on topic, interesting to see the expected people now glossing over this and building up Harper. Probably said the same thing about Ian Bogie replacing Gazza. How marvellous to see the club with the 3rd biggest support in the country resort to losing its best players again. On the other hand, as mick predictably doesn't reply, I'm only 99.9% sure. true. i wouldnt have picked him. ? I laughed.

Does Mark Hughes not realise he can buy who ever he wants?

Thats a how big clubs act - they go after the players that the big clubs themselves want.

Itch that he cant scratch, apparently.

If it wasnt an approval of sacking from the majority of fans who booed - then how come we barely heard a whimper when he was sacked? I was furious with the decison becasue it was the wrong decision. Nufc fans had forgotten from where they'd come from and the torrent of abuse was quite frankly shameful. I remember writing a post a while back on why NUFC fans arent as great as they think they are and this event featured very heavily. Ill always look at the decision to sack SBR to be the one decision that has dragged the club back 5 years and put us permanantely in the chasing pack rather than the front runners. Heartbreaking.

What is this "he would do better in a better team" crap?? Why is it that Bassong has come in at a younger age in an unfamiliar league and completely outplayed Taylor? All this rubbish doesnt make sense if other players are thriving in the exact same situaiton. What a shit argument. Tayor is avergae at best - has the physicality but lacks the intelligence, the only hope i see in him is the Terry type defender where he throws himself in front of everything that doesnt need as much concentration or brains than the sweeper role. He grew up playing alongside Bramble who obviously took the Terry role so its no wonder he hasnt developed.

Can birds fly? hehe hes faster then Martins imo I'd like to see that race I reckon Martins is faster. I'd say so aswell Martins doesn't use his pace well though. For someone so quick, how many times do you see him running clear of the last defender? Thats true, i wonder why that is. He's also a slow dribbler because he takes too many touches, Henry would kick it in front of him and catch up with the ball, Martins needs to learn to do that if he's as quick as we think he is.

I'm not going to bite at that one Fredbob :lol:

Adriano would be a dream signing for me although would have elements of Kluivert about him. Having said that Kluivert was unlucky to stay out the team becasue he looked genuinely good with Bellamy up front. For the first time in my life - i think im prayign that a Sun articels isnt the results of some randomnly ordered fridge magnets that he thought he'd plagiarise.