Also it's too easy to say he's got no ball ability whatsoever, which first of all isn't true, secondly people's judgment is clouded because of the way the deal happened and his goal tally last season. His technique is fine, and his potential is undeniable. Carroll was piss poor in like 1/2 to 3/4 of the season, the same way Ba was piss poor from basically January/February to May.