Jackie Broon

Is it that complex though? The D&OT is in regards to the named directors and PIF, and the checks are against them. Now they are checking for criminal links or convictions. So the tests are. 1) Due the consortium have the funds for the purchase and funding of Newcastle for the next few years... Well that is a no brainer. 2) Do the D&O's have any criminal links or convictions? Right, this is not about hearsay, accusations by X, complaints of human rights abuse by Y. Do they or don't they have criminal links or convictions? 3) Have the D&O's made any false claims in the proposal to the premier league. Again if 2 is clear then 3 should be as well. It shouldn't be that difficult to run a background check on D&Os. I don't see why its taking 7 weeks plus and also why the media seem to think the premier league is open to accommodating hearsay and accusations. If there are no convictions then there is no case to answer and the rest is noise until someone brings it to court and one of the D&Os is found guilty! That’s incorrect you now don’t have to be convinced, the premier league can now use reasonable opinion if Saudi have been involved in piracy “in the reasonable opinion of the Board, he has engaged in conduct outside the United Kingdom that would constitute an offence of the sort described in Rules F.1.5.2 or F.1.5.3, if such conduct had taken place in the United Kingdom, whether or not such conduct resulted in a Conviction;“ People need to stop thinking the O&D test is a basic do you have money, have you had convictions etc, etc it’s not it’s far more stringent now, and there is a distinct possibility they the PIF will fail this test https://resources.premierleague.com/premierleague/document/2020/05/27/e9b03ff0-4f09-443e-b934-64ada14679a5/2019-20-PL-Handbook-270520.pdf Okay so reasonable opinion of the board, have PIF, not the Saudi Government, been implicated any of these reports from WTO or BeIN? If they haven't then the answer is the same no case to answer. Nobody is naive enough to think that the Saudis didn't have a major hand in BeOut piracy (probably) but unless evidence points to PIF or the directors being involved then it surely it can't be held against the takeover. IMO The Chairman of PIF is MbS, FFS.

Is it that complex though? The D&OT is in regards to the named directors and PIF, and the checks are against them. Now they are checking for criminal links or convictions. So the tests are. 1) Due the consortium have the funds for the purchase and funding of Newcastle for the next few years... Well that is a no brainer. 2) Do the D&O's have any criminal links or convictions? Right, this is not about hearsay, accusations by X, complaints of human rights abuse by Y. Do they or don't they have criminal links or convictions? 3) Have the D&O's made any false claims in the proposal to the premier league. Again if 2 is clear then 3 should be as well. It shouldn't be that difficult to run a background check on D&Os. I don't see why its taking 7 weeks plus and also why the media seem to think the premier league is open to accommodating hearsay and accusations. If there are no convictions then there is no case to answer and the rest is noise until someone brings it to court and one of the D&Os is found guilty! The actual wording is: F.1.5. he has a Conviction (which is not a Spent Conviction) imposed by a court of the United Kingdom or a competent court of foreign jurisdiction: F.1.5.1. in respect of which an unsuspended sentence of at least 12 months’ imprisonment was imposed; F.1.5.2. in respect of any offence involving any act which could reasonably be considered to be dishonest (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); or F.1.5.3. in respect of an offence set out in Appendix 1 (Schedule of Offences) or a directly analogous offence in a foreign jurisdiction (and, for the avoidance of doubt, irrespective of the actual sentence imposed); F.1.6. in the reasonable opinion of the Board, he has engaged in conduct outside the United Kingdom that would constitute an offence of the sort described in Rules F.1.5.2 or F.1.5.3, if such conduct had taken place in the United Kingdom, whether or not such conduct resulted in a Conviction; That's a pretty wide scope and the piracy issue is clearly incredibly complex.

So we have to wait for that report ? No as it's not a court with the ability to give a legal ruling. Legally its no different to you or I doing a report from what I can understand. It is, but the jurisdiction is limited trade disputes among members. If the panel were to determine that there has been wrongdoing on the part of the Saudi government the outcome would be likely to be a requirement for them to pay compensation. But I agree it seems likely that, if the panel finds against the Saudi Government, it wouldn't necessary represent conviction of a crime for the purposes of the Premier League owners and directors test. No, the WTO is not a criminal court and can’t convict anyone. That's actually what I said. However, piracy is a crime in this country and the PL have to assess whether anything that would be a crime in this country has been committed in any other country whether or not a the prospective owner has been convicted. The burden of proof in that process would be likely to be on the balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt. I don't think this will affect the outcome of the PL OD test, but it definitely could.

Any report by a committee within the WTO would still have to be tested in a court of law should the PL use the conclusions as a basis to block the takeover. Unless you're referring to the inevitable judicial challenge should the owners and directors test be failed on that basis (or possibly form other parties should it be passed), no they don't. According to the PL rules it entirely the judgement of the PL whether something that would be a crime in this country has been committed in another country, whether or not there has been a conviction.

So we have to wait for that report ? No as it's not a court with the ability to give a legal ruling. Legally its no different to you or I doing a report from what I can understand. It is, but the jurisdiction is limited to trade disputes among members. If the panel were to determine that there has been wrongdoing on the part of the Saudi government the outcome would be likely to be a requirement for them to pay compensation. But I agree it seems likely that, if the panel finds against the Saudi Government, it wouldn't necessary represent conviction of a crime for the purposes of the Premier League owners and directors test.

The point of it was clearly a 'fuck you' to Qatar, who I think had done their own 'fuck you' by not broadcasting the Premier League in Saudi Arabia.

Not that it's a surprise, but my wife vaguely knows a well known BBC sports commentator who told her that he's always been considered to be a deeply unpleasant person in the industry. According to them it was his mistreatment of a runner, who then rose to a senior position, that led to microphones being left on and the tapes leaking out, ending his career at sky.

13 years to the day he bought the club.

Simon Adebisi ? Not. Simon Adearbisi?

Penn making what appears to be a positive comment in relation to the takeover... I don't need any more confirmation, it's definitely on!

A helicopter landed near Ripon an hour or so ago and it's just taken off again. Could be picking up Wor Mandy. Another gulfstream which has taken off from just south of Luton is hot on the heels of the Newcastle one. That must be the Reubans too then. The Prince has called "Directors Assseeemmbblleeeee" https://www.flightradar24.com/GLF4/2489e053 They appear to both be heading straight for #Cannes

The Athletic subscriptions go towards paying salaries of it's journalists and of any of them, GC deserves respect and for us to not take the piss and post his content for free on a forum. To the best of my knowledge, that knobhead earns nothing for the bollocks they post on Twitter. I share the frustration that their stuff is posted on here mind although I do find their commitment to their persona funny. They just spend the money on booze and tabs you know. They're not really journalists either, they're just pretending to be. You're doing them no favours by giving them your hard earned money.

Not concerned in the slightest, IMO the only danger of failing the fit and proper person test was the potential Sheffield United influence issue.

Wednesday announcement, coincidentally coinciding with the outdoor restrictions being eased eh? Maurice Johnson must be ITK.

I think the Sliding Doors moment was actually them staying up in 2016, their trajectory has been nothing but downward since that moment.

I can't speak for any delays at North Tyneside Council but the planning system is still operating.

What ”things” are going to be going slower? I think the PL's priority is getting the season restarted and any background checks etc are going to take longer. Staveley was told the PRL test could take up to 4 weeks. We are now in the fourth week. You think the takeover will happen this week. And that doesn’t include ”a few days” to transfer the money from the buyer to the seller. So basically it’s not going slower because of the lockdown. It won't all be in PL hands though will it. They'll have to apply to police or whoever to confirm they're not crime, apply to whoever else to verify they're not and have never been banko. Banks will presumably need to verify funds and so on. It's entirely likely that the current circumstances will make that shit take much longer than normal. Has a Saudi prince, Amanda Staveley, the billionaire Reuben brothers or the public investment fund of the state of Saudi Arabia ever been bankrupt should be a pretty fucking easy question to answer. It's the influence over Sheffield United that is the only possible stumbling block. If they were to fail on that point I'd expect that Sheffield United's ownership would change very soon after and then they'd come back in for us. Not sure how it works... But I'm not sure they'll say 'a company in Saudi arabia' will have any influence over Sheff United. We all know who is in charge, but on paper is it actually the Saudi Prince who is being looked into? I hope so, but the chairman of that company in Saudi Arabia is related to the owner of Sheffield United and could have him arbitrarily imprisoned / tortured / executed at the drop of a hat. If that isn't influence I don't know what is. Yes, but if we are dealing in hypotheticals, the American owners of Liverpool could put out a hit on Leicester's chairman; about 50k might be enough to put the Leicester head in genuine danger. Perhaps we should call the police just in case. Well the whole test is a hypothetical matter; could one owner hypnotically hold influence over another. In reality there is absolutely no doubt that Mohammad Bin Salman holds influence (hierarchically, financially and in life and death terms) over the owner of Sheffield United. Whether the Premier League will choose to see it that way or not we'll find out soon, but it clearly is a potential issue.

What ”things” are going to be going slower? I think the PL's priority is getting the season restarted and any background checks etc are going to take longer. Staveley was told the PRL test could take up to 4 weeks. We are now in the fourth week. You think the takeover will happen this week. And that doesn’t include ”a few days” to transfer the money from the buyer to the seller. So basically it’s not going slower because of the lockdown. It won't all be in PL hands though will it. They'll have to apply to police or whoever to confirm they're not crime, apply to whoever else to verify they're not and have never been banko. Banks will presumably need to verify funds and so on. It's entirely likely that the current circumstances will make that shit take much longer than normal. Has a Saudi prince, Amanda Staveley, the billionaire Reuben brothers or the public investment fund of the state of Saudi Arabia ever been bankrupt should be a pretty fucking easy question to answer. It's the influence over Sheffield United that is the only possible stumbling block. If they were to fail on that point I'd expect that Sheffield United's ownership would change very soon after and then they'd come back in for us. Not sure how it works... But I'm not sure they'll say 'a company in Saudi arabia' will have any influence over Sheff United. We all know who is in charge, but on paper is it actually the Saudi Prince who is being looked into? I hope so, but the chairman of that company in Saudi Arabia is related to the owner of Sheffield United and could have him arbitrarily imprisoned / tortured / executed at the drop of a hat. If that isn't influence I don't know what is.

What ”things” are going to be going slower? I think the PL's priority is getting the season restarted and any background checks etc are going to take longer. Staveley was told the PRL test could take up to 4 weeks. We are now in the fourth week. You think the takeover will happen this week. And that doesn’t include ”a few days” to transfer the money from the buyer to the seller. So basically it’s not going slower because of the lockdown. It won't all be in PL hands though will it. They'll have to apply to police or whoever to confirm they're not crime, apply to whoever else to verify they're not and have never been banko. Banks will presumably need to verify funds and so on. It's entirely likely that the current circumstances will make that shit take much longer than normal. Has a Saudi prince, Amanda Staveley, the billionaire Reuben brothers or the public investment fund of the state of Saudi Arabia ever been bankrupt should be a pretty fucking easy question to answer. It's the influence over Sheffield United that is the only possible stumbling block. If they were to fail on that point I'd expect that Sheffield United's ownership would change very soon after and then they'd come back in for us.

Don’t think they can because of the stock market I don't think any of the companies involved are listed on a stock market.

I think 3002 has crashed into the Penshaw Monumnet.

Two helicopters from London are currently heading straight for Newcastle. https://www.flightradar24.com/HACA3002/246d5968

Seriously what the f*** is wrong with you? I don't really care about some women I've never met and never will, whats wrong with you? Ok you pretend your heart absolutely bleeds for someone you know nothing about, haven't met and will never meet. I'll just be honest with myself instead thanks. I'm more concerned about the insidious influence that the Saudi leadership has on global politics, conflict and religious ideology, which affects everyone's lives and which the murder of Jamal Khashoggi is just a small part of. However, as I said previously in this thread I'm excited as anyone at the prospect of the success they will bring, but that doesn't stop me being uncomfortable about what the Saudi regime represents and I absolutely understand and agree with people protesting against it. Your position is frankly embarrassing... equivalent to the mackems that abused the girl Johnson groomed.

Seriously what the f*** is wrong with you? I don't really care about some women I've never met and never will, whats wrong with you?

https://houseofsaud.com/mohammed-bin-salmans-takeover-for-newcastle-fc-done-deal/