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Content you say? Interesting patter like this you mean? mackems.gif no attempt to deny that you are? that is interesting. More interesting patter presumably. Anyway back on topic, how do you know who is going to vocally protest on Saturday? ] as usual you have taken what i said out of context. my point was, i have seen people protest when things go bad, and the same people give vocal support to the team. no i havent looked into the future, i base my observations on matches ive been at in the past, What do you base yours on? dvds youve seen? stuff youve read on here?

Content you say? Interesting patter like this you mean? mackems.gif no attempt to deny that you are? that is interesting.

more interesting this, 'And you're short of an apostrophe' me thinks

taff give them the credit their weakness deserves, weak people will allways find a thousand reasons why not to.

it''sss really saddd that some spa'sckers onn heya, fixate on spellin and punchuation, rath'a then content...

Quite. Indeed what makes you think, the people protesting, dont sing when things are going well, i think you will find they do. What makes you think they do? cos ive seen it with my own eyes. You already know who has protested verbally this weekend?! Do you have the lottery numbers for Saturday as well? you are a sheeps arseh0le

Quite. Indeed what makes you think, the people protesting, dont sing when things are going well, i think you will find they do. What makes you think they do? cos ive seen it with my own eyes.

Quite. Indeed what makes you think, the people protesting, dont sing when things are going well, i think you will find they do.

taff, dont let the weak people deter you, everyone i speak to is on the side of protest, its only on here that people are being, meek.. i think i tells its own story, if you think about it.

well basically, it shows me you have f*** all idea what your protesting about and are clinging on to other people. well done. iv'e got more years in than you care to mention bonny lad. yeah, and.. just sleep well after youl've been in,its your choice. iv'e got 25 years in mate,and have had enough. this is our chance to prove to ourselv'es that we aint sheep. i'm signed up for 3 years as are a lot of people,but as long as the dwarf has a shout.# my seat will remain empty. tell ya what, i'm gutted having to do this. but i feel cleaner if you know what i mean. Newcastle online, giving sheep a voice

Kevin will be back at Newcastle at some point, mark my words, im certain he will. Hes like a comet, keeps coming by every few years.

are mick and Ne5, a married couple?

That's not a problem for us, he can live in London and travel up on the day of the match. Or he could live in London and watch it on the telly like Dennis. thats the big plan, ashley in hollywood, managers in london, The Tea lady hands the team sheet out with the cuppas saturday lunchtime,

Admit i misread it?, Me?, id never hear the last of it. i have read it again, cant think why i got the opinion you thought shares in the club wouldnt work, apart from everthing you said that is.

Where'd you get your MBA from then? Just admit you don't know what you're on about and shot your mouth off without reading/understanding it properly. tell me what your point is, your post, then subsequent arguments are so contradictory. it reads that you think a business cannot operate with shareholders, having varying amounts of equity, or does it not, your post is a shambolic argument to be fair, ..

your post is so rambling, and shows little understanding of how business' work, i can forgive myself if i misunderstood your point. ive read it again and still cant decode it fully.

just have a problem with you claiming that a business cant be run with shareholders, or that it would be fantasy. plcs have millions of shareholders.

Why is that fella? Corporate finance, top level professional sport, marketing - professionals don't always get things right, but you'd back them to do so more often than inexperienced amateurs. Also, the way you approach decisions when you're on the inside and your job and livelihood depends on it is a bit different from how you see things from the luxury of an outside position. The club can't be run by a bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks. To turn it round, I'd be interested to know why people think we'd generate more income and produce better decisions with a fans' collective. The amaeturs own the club Bobby they don't run it. What's the point of them owning the club, if they're not going to influence the decisions that are made? They do things like vote for a president etc who then chooses a manager and delegates downward. It's insanity that fans who own shares in a club would actually be hands on. The beauty of course is that the president can be changed if they are doing a bad job, not so our current owner. Membership of course could be reigion wide and infact international as the club grows through its ethics, philosophy and playing style. Different to a PLC in what significant way? 4. Majority shareholders get the biggest say and basically control the club ie FFS and the shareholders payouts. There would be no payouts to any of the fan owners ever. 1. The role of chairman would come up for renewal every four years and the man in charge can continue to run for it or a new man could come in. 2. Fans can get on the board 3. and even if they are not voted in the board will meet with fans at regular terms to put there point across. So very different really. Well not really. 1. The role of chairman comes up for revue in a PLC too and board members can stand for election and re-election by the shareholders, so that's exactly the same. 2. Fans could get on the board in a PLC as well, if they got the support of enough shareholders, which boils down to exactly the same thing too. 3. Meeting with the fans is simply a matter of policy and could be done by the club regardless of who owns it, so is pretty much irrelevant, unless you're suggesting that whatever the fans say at these meetings would be put into practice by the people running the club? If you are that's a pretty risky thing to do, what if what they suggest is totally wrong for the club? We're back to the club being run by amateurs thing again. If you're saying that only good ideas would be considered, then surely anyone who's running the club well would give consideration to a good idea, wouldn't they? So all your're left with is that people with more shares would have a greater say than those with less and that money would leave the club in the form of dividends. I'm not going to argue the point about dividends as that's obviously true, but I don't see how you can avoid the other happening under the ownership of fans either. Let me explain: 4. What's the club worth on the open market? Well the figures I've been seeing are around £250m to £300m, for this example let's say it's at the lower of the scale, I don't think I need it to be more to make my point, but if it was it'd just enhance what I'm about to say even more. I'm also not including any money that would be needed for working capital which would increase the figure even further. For the fans to buy the club at £250m requires: 250,000,000 fans paying £1 each or 1,000,000 fans paying £250 each or 250,000 fans paying £1,000 each or 100,000 fans paying £2,500 each or 52,387 fans paying £4,772.18 each (ie the capacity of the ground) or 25,000 fans paying £10,000 each or 10,000 fans paying £25,000 each You can probably see where I'm going with this? Can you see any combination which you think is likely to happen? I can't. Unless you're going to go down to a small handful of very rich "fans" putting together a consortium to take over the club then I don't think it's feasible and that's hardly what I'd call the fans taking over the club, would you? So you're going to need people who can afford it to chip in more than those that can't. How many people do you think will be happy to chip in a few tens of thousands of pounds, only to end up with the same share and rights as those who've shelled out a tenner? Not many!! Therefore you're going to have to allow people to own bigger chunks of the club than others and you're going to have to give them greater rights and power because of it. So it's not that different really is it! Dividends is the only genuine difference and even that seemingly clear blue water might become muddied if anyone had given this enough thought to have proposed a definition of what the fans would actually own for their contribution: - Would they be able to sell it, or transfer it in any way? - What happens if/when they die for example? - Could a family have more than one share? - How would that be different from an individual having more than one share? - Is it a single, one-off payment, or some kind of repeating fee? - If it's a repeating fee, does that mean that the fan only has a say for that period? - If it's a single fee how does the club raise more money? etc, etc, etc. It only takes a couple of minutes thought to show this idea up for what it is: a total fantasy!! Mind you delusions seem all the rage at the moment. (that's not aimed at you Phil) i know, i wonder how thousands of companies round the world,( including many of the most sucessful) manage to operate with thousands of minor share holders, must be total fantasy.

'No I think you'll find that's you. I don't have a problem in the slightest with people who have a different view to me. I just get pissed off when people try to twist my words to try to make their own point valid. You have done that, by clearly not reading my post and this guy has by highlight only half of a statement.' quoting people out of context, and spinning meanings to validate ones own argument, is the lifeblood of this forum.

go along, show your support,...but if your not happy with the direction of the club, you must have the courage to speak out, or else Ashley will think all is ok.

me too mick,, i have a feeling its wise' plan all along.

this must be official. Baggio is head of the Dennis Wise fan club. Looking forward to Dennis matching what the club did under the despicable fat b******. What do you say ? They have a DOF ? Oh well, thats alright then. That means we are guarenteed to win everything going. SSHHHH........don't tell anybody else our little secret still on Ashleys side of this are we, because he likes this DOF system you have long championed ? By the way, I replied to your comments to me about Alan Smith, waiting for your response. You're a smart lad, it isn't like you to opt out of this sort of thing and put these silly smiley things instead ......... seems to me there will be a lot of ashley supporters waving smilies at the match on saturday, no?

Jesus wept. If this was a friendly then I could see where you're coming from. It's not. It's a league match, our players have done nothing wrong and need our support now more than ever. Stop being so selfish!! What happens if we fill the ground and still lose? We have then lost the moral high ground and it will be seen as too little too late to boycott the next home game. Try and get some principles for gods sake. KK had principles and stood by them which is why he is out of a job on our behalf!! it appears that the people who snipe at those with balls, are all on this site. i am certain tho, they are in the minority, everyone i speak to, to a man, is seriously f-ked of with clubs hierarchy

well said, we cant let the sheep decide, we will run round in circles forever....oh look...the grass is greener over there...baahh I seriuosly question your constant and frankly disturbing refrence to sheep, you may find you need to seek help my friend. What's to say Poyet would be any more of a gamble than Laudrup, Rijkaard, or any other foreign coach? It's highly unlikey in the current system a British manager would want to come in. Some fans really need to let Keegan go, he gone, done, finished and this club needs to find a replacement. So you can continue your pathetic and frankly futile crusade while I get on with supporting my football club, enjoy. To you my friend, a Rhyme, Bah Bah, Black ( and white sheep), have you any balls, no sir no sir, please take my arse, my arse for the master, and for his mates, and the horrible little man, All from down the ' LANE'

well said, we cant let the sheep decide, we will run round in circles forever....oh look...the grass is greener over there...baahh I seriuosly question your constant and frankly disturbing refrence to sheep, you may find you need to seek help my friend. What's to say Poyet would be any more of a gamble than Laudrup, Rijkaard, or any other foreign coach? It's highly unlikey in the current system a British manager would want to come in. Some fans really need to let Keegan go, he gone, done, finished and this club needs to find a replacement. So you can continue your pathetic and frankly futile crusade while I get on with supporting my football club, enjoy. CP82 is seriously getting on me tits. Negativity and sheep, he must be a mackem in disguise imo. the people kissing ashleys arse are getting on my tits.