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If we stay up we won't struggle as badly next season. Even though we don't have a massive squad we have the quality to do OK if we can keep enough players fit.
If we add another few signings of the same quality of previous ones we will be much improved.
Not sure we will stay up sadly.
The key for me is getting a good manager in.
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we were once in a position to speculate like that, you've been going a long time can you help me remember the actions of the board last time we qualified for the champs league, we bought woodgate in the winter before qualifying then in the summer of actually qualifying.........s*** i can't remember, will someone please help me out ?
We didn't qualify for the CL though did we.
Arguably in part due to spending the Summer budget early and buying Woodgate we had our highest finish under Robson and finished in a CL qualifying round position, but by no means were we guaranteed the money from getting into the CL proper. We lost out in a 2 legged game, didn't qualify, and didn't get the cash bonus that would have paid for the players you are suggesting we bought. Anyone who goes on about not spending that Summer is advocating being far more reckless with the clubs finances than the old board is ever accused of being. What you are saying is that we should have gambled money that the club couldn't budget for without the CL money in the hope that the player(s) bought with that money would make a significant difference in their first couple of competitive games for us (ie would be the difference between losing the tie with the existing established players and winning it with the new one's involvement). That's a ridiculous risk to take.
Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing, especially when it's combined with the surety that doing something differently would have had a positive outcome - if only we'd bought unidentified player X he'd have stopped the Partizan goal/scored the home equaliser/scored the pen that Shearer or Dyer or Woodgate or Hughes missed. Bollocks. New players not fully integrated are as likely to cost you a game as win you one.
The hilarious irony is that had we spent more money that Summer in the assumption that we were going to qualify, and had we still lost that tie, you and those like you would be slating the old board (not the manager who would have chosen the player btw, but the board) for spending that money before we were guaranteed the income.
What was the official line from Shepherd though? "keeping our powder dry" is what I remember. Nowt about waiting to see if we got into the CL proper, and more of an indication that a crocked Woodgate was the final piece of SBR's jigsaw - a complete and competitive squad with enough depth to cover for injuries, loss of form and suspensions, and push on for successive top 4 finishes regardless of the Partizan game. Risky business? damn right it was, as the squad was nowhere near complete to be competitive.
Good post though it is, I can also look at things from the above perspective and critique as I wish.
Oh, also, was Shepherd thinking that a reactive appointment like Souness was worth "backing" with 50m quid? Did he really think Souness had the credentials and quality to finish in the top 4? IMO he spent the 50m to pacify the criticism he got for the whole Rooney saga, sale of Woodgate and for undermining Sir Bobby. If I were chairman and truly believed that Souness was worth backing with 50m, I wouldn't have sacked him when Shepherd did, and I would have stuck by him. THAT is what backing a manager really means. You do not back a manager with an obscene amount of money, then sack him a year later for anything other than gross misconduct or breach of contract.
No, you back a manager by allowing him to build his own team within pre-set financial constraints. Hanging onto an underperforming manager at the expense of the club itself and its followers is an entirely different thing and coincidentally is what we are currently witnessing.
Can you build a team in one and a half seasons? Shepherd backed a manager who had a history of heart problems, a reputation for being confrontational, and paid a fee to sign him on from a club that was bottom of the table. He gave Souness the 50m to spend in the hope that we'd win the Carling cup as he'd done with Blackburn. It was Shepherd's last call, hoping he'd go out all guns blazing. Shepherd had no intention of backing Souness to build a team. He wanted to live the pipe dream of being the one to win that elusive trophy for NUFC.
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we were once in a position to speculate like that, you've been going a long time can you help me remember the actions of the board last time we qualified for the champs league, we bought woodgate in the winter before qualifying then in the summer of actually qualifying.........s*** i can't remember, will someone please help me out ?
We didn't qualify for the CL though did we.
Arguably in part due to spending the Summer budget early and buying Woodgate we had our highest finish under Robson and finished in a CL qualifying round position, but by no means were we guaranteed the money from getting into the CL proper. We lost out in a 2 legged game, didn't qualify, and didn't get the cash bonus that would have paid for the players you are suggesting we bought. Anyone who goes on about not spending that Summer is advocating being far more reckless with the clubs finances than the old board is ever accused of being. What you are saying is that we should have gambled money that the club couldn't budget for without the CL money in the hope that the player(s) bought with that money would make a significant difference in their first couple of competitive games for us (ie would be the difference between losing the tie with the existing established players and winning it with the new one's involvement). That's a ridiculous risk to take.
Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing, especially when it's combined with the surety that doing something differently would have had a positive outcome - if only we'd bought unidentified player X he'd have stopped the Partizan goal/scored the home equaliser/scored the pen that Shearer or Dyer or Woodgate or Hughes missed. Bollocks. New players not fully integrated are as likely to cost you a game as win you one.
The hilarious irony is that had we spent more money that Summer in the assumption that we were going to qualify, and had we still lost that tie, you and those like you would be slating the old board (not the manager who would have chosen the player btw, but the board) for spending that money before we were guaranteed the income.
What was the official line from Shepherd though? "keeping our powder dry" is what I remember. Nowt about waiting to see if we got into the CL proper, and more of an indication that a crocked Woodgate was the final piece of SBR's jigsaw - a complete and competitive squad with enough depth to cover for injuries, loss of form and suspensions, and push on for successive top 4 finishes regardless of the Partizan game. Risky business? damn right it was, as the squad was nowhere near complete to be competitive.
Good post though it is, I can also look at things from the above perspective and critique as I wish.
Oh, also, was Shepherd thinking that a reactive appointment like Souness was worth "backing" with 50m quid? Did he really think Souness had the credentials and quality to finish in the top 4? IMO he spent the 50m to pacify the criticism he got for the whole Rooney saga, sale of Woodgate and for undermining Sir Bobby. If I were chairman and truly believed that Souness was worth backing with 50m, I wouldn't have sacked him when Shepherd did, and I would have stuck by him. THAT is what backing a manager really means. You do not back a manager with an obscene amount of money, then sack him a year later for anything other than gross misconduct or breach of contract.
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The Tooth Fairy?
first class contribution.
Yes, it was, wasn't it? A very economical way of pointing out that anyone who believes Keegan is likely to return, or that the Keegan of today, in the football climate of today, would be likely to repeat his successes of 15 or more years ago, is living in a total fantasy world.
Even Keegan knows it, as his outburst after the Chelsea match made very clear to anyone not blinded by sentiment and an inability to distinguish 2009 from 1992.
no it wasn't, it was childish in the extreme, and pretty daft IMO by you, again.
You are right about the need to succeed, and you are right about Keegan knowing it, but did you say this at the time, or have you cottoned on yet that Ashley - unlike his predecessors - doesn't understand what it takes to be successful ?
So you think that football today is the same as it was in 1992, and that Keegan, even though he explicitly does not believe so himself, would have the same impact on a league now ruled by CL revenue and mega-investment?
If so, sorry, but you're completely deluded.
Absolutely. Forget the foreign imports. They haven't had as much of an effect on football as has the expansion of the CL. Back in the day when it was 1 or 2 teams that qualified, it kept things competitive. Since the expansion, the cream with the cream have floated to the top, and that's been that.
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who said at deaths door ?that link you posted....liverpool £56mill of debt and they have all that champs league money aswell.
look at most of the others. those with a lot of debt (like us) and without champs league size income (like us) are fastening their belts in a good bit tighter.
good link that really. proves what most of us have been saying for a while. thanks for that.
it doesn't prove what you have said, and many others. What it shows is that going by comments made on numerous occasions by people on here, the entire premiership is at deaths door.
drastic belt tightening certainly. who outside the top 4 is finding fresh cash to try and compete with those.
all that link proved was that those with the biggest turnover to wages can finance (afford to have) the bigger debt. thats what you've been carping on about all these months isn't it "oooohhhh look at the debt on them" in a brians mam from the life of brian type voice. our debt and wages wouldn't be so bad if we were bringing in a lot extra revenue.
do you think liverpool or arsenal would carry on as they are now if they dropped out the champs league for 5 seasons ?
we were once in a position to speculate like that, you've been going a long time can you help me remember the actions of the board last time we qualified for the champs league, we bought woodgate in the winter before qualifying then in the summer of actually qualifying.........s*** i can't remember, will someone please help me out ?
We failed to speculate to accumulate. We spent fuck all. We kept our powder dry. Fuck all. Nada. Zip. Nothing. Fuck all + Lee Bowyer on a free
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The England shirt isn't bad, but it looks like a polo shirt you'd wear down the pub more than a football shirt.
I'm all for simplicity in a shirt, but IMO it's nothing special.
Released at this time of year precisely for that reason. This will make Team England a shitload as people can wear it to go out better than some other recent ones. Will be a massive seller imo
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I think if the football club stays in the divison it will slowly grow and the system will work!
Bringing in a few better players replacing dead wood every season as the club gradually climbs up the table!
They have had 3 windows to do that already and look at the non productive players they've brought in, so what makes you think they'll magically turn it around should we survive?
Problem is they had 3 and a half windows with 3 different managers
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No way of knowing. It depends what conclusion Ashley comes to really - he must know we're struggling but does he even realise it's up to him to do something about it?
If he's got any sense in him he'll bring in a better manager and give them a reasonable transfer kitty to work with. Doesn't have to be particularly extravagent, just reasonable, something like £15m+sales. That would see us fine.
Can't say I'm holding out a huge amount of hope mind. If he does nothing it'll be grim.
The solution to all this malarkey is so fucking simple really!!!!!! it's mind boggling!!! as you say, new manager, clear the dead-wood, reasonable transfer budget. The hardest part will be picking the right manager. Why not consult SBR on who he might see as a good manager for the future? Give the man the job, and allow him to build a squad up for 2 or 3 years and take stock at that point. Also, got to be a manager/coaching staff ready and willing to work with the youth and bring them through ffs!!
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The Glaziers put Man United into heavy debt, just to borrow the amount to achieve their buy-out of the club. Supporters were initially very concerned as what the club's future/direction held on the transfer front re- expenditure, potential selling of top players etc.
It would have been complacent on their part to just rely on the strength of their incursion into the Asian market - merchandise and TV based revenue - while spending little and flogging off players whenever an acceptable bid surfaced for players of value. A mid-table Man United would not have not have chewed a such large hole into that aforementioned 'debt levied onto the club' by not investing in the trophy youngsters they have signed in the wake of the Glaziers takeover.
No penny-pinching/buy swap & sell/'grocery store' transfer story approach on their part, a so-called multi-year plan as peddled by Llabarse and Co. And a mid-table Man United would have been the likely scenario if they adopted the Ashely 101 'cheap' scheme of how to run a club on the football side of the equation.
The effect relating to above paragraph being a volatile market jumping aboard the next available bandwagon as an over-cautiously run United fell by the wayside, behind Chelsea for example. And Man United no longer had the marketing power of the Beckham Franchise, which is an exlusive marketing tool in its own right, to benefit from either.
In the case of United, in terms of maintaining a position of power in the Asian market, it's entirely results based, where periods of water treading in the league would not bode well.
On a different scale this same sort prioritising should have applied to Ashley as well.
We're nowhere near Man Utd as a club ffs!!! For one, Glazier came in, and kept the same footballing set-up! Man Utd was superbly run prior to the takeover!! They didn't have a managerial merry-go-round, they didn't have an ageing over paid squad! they didn't have a useless and dysfunctional academy and youth set-up! You cannot even begin to compare us with Man Utd!!! We had already fallen way way way behind them in terms of footballing institutions years ago. If we had won that title in '95, we may have had a chance. That chance was blown by Graham f***ing Fenton.
I never suggested we were on the same level pegging, hence the phrase 'on a different scale'. That was obviously lost upon you at the time.
The phrase mentioned applies both to overall market strength - both home & abroad - and the sort of spending undertaken by the Glaziers to maintain their status on this football business front ie. result-driven market appeal.
As for the points placed in bold. All overseen by just one bloke, the most important man at the club - the manager. The very essence and the core of their respective and successful set-ups, all undermined by Ashley's whoosh woo woo Continental system. A system whom the likes of Wenger and i dare say it Ferguson wouldn't work within either.
Will you go on record to suggest the next listed signings - Gavilan, Bramble, Viana, Bernard, Ambrose, N'Zogbia under Robson, Dyer & Domi under Gullit.... project type/youth players - were not overseen by the managers in question and that we didn't have a similar set-up in place. Admittedly we didn't have the same far-reaching scouting network in place. But nonetheless the manager oversaw which youngsters were brought inot the fold.
I've repeatedly stated from the outset that i never expected a 100m spending spree over a couple of Summers in the wake Ashley's take-over, nor did i expect the club do come in with the sort of money thrown for the youngsters earmarked as the tools of requirement in order to replicate to Arsenal youth-driven model. I've previously cited the desultory pittance we offered for Delph as the obvious example - ie. of us not spending the required amount needed to poach the higher echelons of the youth talent pool - in the Summer transfer window non-event, a window where the top brass put the manager's most valued players on sale behind his back.
Before comparisons are made to the expenditure layed out for Rose, and what Leeds accepted. With regards to Delph, at a similar age to Rose when the latter moved to Spurs, he is more a player who fits into the mould of somebody who is more likely to make an immediate impact and that's purely down to physical attributes when compared to the impish Rose. By comparison Rose waas a riskier prospect, a longer-term reach hence a Leeds - a club noted for their academy/talent production line - for any club willing to gamble on the scope of improvement ie. to make an impact at EPL level. And in Rose's case there was a contractual issue at hand, which featured heavily in the tiny amount Spurs payed for him. This contractual issue, with regards to him quitting Leeds' academy, has already been posted elsewhere.
This is a shocking indictment levied upon the Ashley regime, in the wake of their much mooted Arsenal model talk.
I suppose the likes of Nile Ranger, by sheer fluke, will consistently fall out of trees and into their lap........will they?
Do you hear me saying, "bloody hell that Mike Ashley sure is doing a fine job running NUFC?"
Again, the real question has been side-stepped, which is:
HOW DID FREDDIE SHEPHERD PLAN ON MANAGING OUR DEBT WHILE KEEPING US COMPETITIVE ON THE FOOTBALL PITCH TO ACHIEVE EVEN MORE EUROPEAN QUALIFICATION (MORE TIMES THAN ANYONE BAR 4 CLUBS etc..etc..), SEEING THAT HE FAILED MISERABLY WITH HIS APPOINTMENT OF SOUNESS?
HOW WOULD FREDDIE SHEPHERD HAVE HANDLED THE REIGN OF SAM ALLARDYCE, SEEING AS MOST ON HERE AGREE (not me mind) THAT HAD ALLARDYCE STAYED WE WOULD HAVE BEEN RELEGATED?
The point being argued here is Shepherd would have never allowed this to happen VS. Oh yes he would have as our debt was getting out of control and we still had a shit manager and god-awful playing staff
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The Glaziers put Man United into heavy debt, just to borrow the amount to achieve their buy-out of the club. Supporters were initially very concerned as what the club's future/direction held on the transfer front re- expenditure, potential selling of top players etc.
It would have been complacent on their part to just rely on the strength of their incursion into the Asian market - merchandise and TV based revenue - while spending little and flogging off players whenever an acceptable bid surfaced for players of value. A mid-table Man United would not have not have chewed a such large hole into that aforementioned 'debt levied onto the club' by not investing in the trophy youngsters they have signed in the wake of the Glaziers takeover.
No penny-pinching/buy swap & sell/'grocery store' transfer story approach on their part, a so-called multi-year plan as peddled by Llabarse and Co. And a mid-table Man United would have been the likely scenario if they adopted the Ashely 101 'cheap' scheme of how to run a club on the football side of the equation.
The effect relating to above paragraph being a volatile market jumping aboard the next available bandwagon as an over-cautiously run United fell by the wayside, behind Chelsea for example. And Man United no longer had the marketing power of the Beckham Franchise, which is an exlusive marketing tool in its own right, to benefit from either.
In the case of United, in terms of maintaining a position of power in the Asian market, it's entirely results based, where periods of water treading in the league would not bode well.
On a different scale this same sort prioritising should have applied to Ashley as well.
We're nowhere near Man Utd as a club ffs!!! For one, Glazier came in, and kept the same footballing set-up! Man Utd was superbly run prior to the takeover!! They didn't have a managerial merry-go-round, they didn't have an ageing over paid squad! they didn't have a useless and dysfunctional academy and youth set-up! You cannot even begin to compare us with Man Utd!!! We had already fallen way way way behind them in terms of footballing institutions years ago. If we had won that title in '95, we may have had a chance. That chance was blown by Graham fucking Fenton.
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Kaka shouldn't even be on that list. The most overrated pretty boy footballer in the history of the modern game. Andrea Pirlo is a better player. Granted he's had a s*** time of it since winning the world cup.
As for the best player in the world? Leo Messi. Full stop
You'd already put a full stop in your sentance, comma, there really was no need to spell it out as well. Full stop
fyp
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Kaka shouldn't even be on that list. The most overrated pretty boy footballer in the history of the modern game. Andrea Pirlo is a better player. Granted he's had a shit time of it since winning the world cup.
As for the best player in the world? Leo Messi. Full stop
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Oba----Owen----Jonas
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Just do it
I would rather us play with ten men than with Ameobi, to be honest. Which we almost are, if we're starting Owen as well.
Shirley Owen and Shola would equate to playing with nine men?
Effectiively 7 with Butt as he is like giving Chelsea a 12th man
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But he's right though, how could they afford to finance the continued losses the club has made, especially while spending big in the transfer market? We lost £35 million last season without spending anything on players and that had to be finances by Ashley's own cash.
so relegation due to lack of investment and zero ambition is the answer ?
Shame on those who scorn the people who gave us the best decade and a half of the last 50 years by a million miles.
As HTL said yesterday, how many of you actually thought we were winding you up, when only a handful of people including me and him knew what we were talking about.
You should be telling the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal how they are doing it all wrong, and their priority should be to make a profit and sell their highest earning players.
Answer his question instead of babbling on like a sexually frustrated woman
there are dozens of "questions" I've asked people on here.........and you haven't told anybody to directly answer me.
My reply is in the league positions of the club during the Halls and Shepherd, the progress of the club, the full to capacity expanded stadium, the european qualifications, the top quality footballers, and the FACT that the club couldn't sell itself for 2.5m quid in 1991 and at the end of the Halls and Shepherd was sold for anything between 100m and 200m quid.
If you are one of these clueless idiots who think the last few years under the Halls and Shepherd were s*** , refer to my previous reply.
If not, then - as nobody says anything about your daft comment about "sexually frustrated woman", I'm going to tell you that you are a stupid daft clueless c*** and maybe different banning rules will be applied to me ......... but maybe I'm wrong, and I suppose one or two people will like to prove me wrong so lets see what they do.
The Halls and Shepherd would never have sat back and watched this club go down like this, while making profits. They saved the club from the very situation it is heading for , you clueless b****** [name calling again.........]
Lets see who gets banned for abuse here
If I'm banned for this it conclusively proves there are different rules for different people ....... You really are a piece of workLikening your answers to those of a woman who isn't getting laid is the same as calling you a useless daft c*** now is it?
By your own admission, and you say FS would have never allowed the club to go down, he hired Allardyce to run the club on a shoe-string budget. Let's say Ashley didn't come anywhere near the club, and Allardyce didn't do so well for FS. What do you think the chairman would have done? Backed him with more money in January (taking us even DEEPER into debt), or sacked him, brought in yet ANOTHER manager, and backed HIM in turn with more cash hence taking the club deeper into debt?
The reason I'm posting smilies and not replying with full answers to some of the bollocks I'm reading is that it's already been done to death, and I've already replied with my tuppence countless times. I have yet to read however, a reply from you, answering the question that Teasy has asked you. Oh, and you can't really do anything but laugh at that post from HTT.
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http://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/page/NewsFeatures/0,,10329~1603882,00.html
Doncaster Rovers welcomed Newcastle United winger Kazenga LuaLua to South Yorkshire on Thursday afternoon, with the 18 year-old champing at the bit to get started.LuaLua, the younger brother of former Newcastle United and Portsmouth striker Lomana, has made five senior appearances for the Toon, since graduating from the St. James' Park outfit's youth system and is looking to get some regular football under his belt in his month-long stay at Keepmoat Stadium.
Kazenga signed on loan shortly after having his first training session under Sean O'Driscoll at Rovers' Cantley Park Training Ground and, as LuaLua reveals, the move came about very quickly.
"It was two days ago when I was in training; the reserve manager spoke to me and told me that I would be going on loan to Doncaster," explains Kazenga.
"I was happy when he told me and yesterday my agent phoned me and told me that I would actually be coming to Doncaster the next day. I arrived at Doncaster train station at 10:30 today (Thursday) and my agent came to pick me up. I then came to training and it has been very good."
"I have met all of the lads and they are really nice people," says LuaLua on his first impressions of Doncaster Rovers Football Club.
"Today was my first day in training and all of the players have been nice to me and made me feel welcome. I'm sure that they will all help me settle in well."
Kazenga's first day of training allowed the Rovers' new loan signing the chance to play alongside members of the Club's first team; something that LuaLua has not done on a regular basis at Newcastle United.
"At Newcastle United, I don't often train with the first team unless they have injuries to players. If the injured players are back, I normally train with the reserves and the under-18 lads. I told my agent that I wanted to go on loan to a team where the experience would be good for me at my age and he told me to speak to (Newcastle United Executive Director of Football) Dennis Wise. I spoke to Dennis Wise and he said that Doncaster would be a good place for me to go and I was really happy to hear that."
"Dennis Wise told me that Doncaster Rovers are a good team, with a good manager. Dennis knows the manager here well and he told me that he is a good man. He told me that they like to play football, [glow=red,2,300]they don't play long-ball and that made me happy, because that is the way that I like to play football. [/glow]I would play long-ball football, though, if it meant playing in games and getting the experience."
LuaLua is set to start a full week's training on Monday morning and could go straight into the Rovers squad for the visit of Watford on Saturday 4th April, an exciting prospect for a player hungry for first team action.
"That's why I have come here - to play football. I feel I need to play the first team football to get the experience for myself and then we'll see what happens. From my first day today, everything here seems good and I really enjoyed the training today."
For many Doncaster Rovers supporters, Lomana will be the better known of the LuaLua brothers; however Kazenga is a player that promises to offer a lot to Rovers push to ensure Championship football for another season.
"I like to take players on and I like to beat players. I have good pace, with or without the ball. If the manager gives me my chance, I will be doing my very best to take that chance. As I have said, I'm looking forward to getting some experience but my main strength is taking people on. I can play on the left or the right wing or I can play just behind the striker - but if the manager told me to play anywhere, I would play there."
The move to Doncaster will have been made easier for Kazenga, thanks to the sight of a familiar face, whose brother is also at St. James' Park.
"I knew Tomi Ameobi and I know his brother Shola. I knew Tomi from when he was playing at Newcastle and it's nice for me to have a friend from Newcastle here at Doncaster. It makes it a lot easier to settle."
LuaLua, who will wear the number 27 shirt vacated by Craig Nelthorpe, will remain at DN4 for the next month and the player's aim for that spell is simple.
"The month that I am here, I want to try my best. I want to improve myself and this is the first time that I have come out on loan to a club and to come to Doncaster has been really nice; I'm just here to try my best and do well."
Wonder if Wise consulted the manager/coach?
Indirect criticism of the first team's overall pattern of play, and one where he stands little chance to develop as a ball-carrying winger/attacking midfielder?
We don't exactly create open space for our widemen, by spreading the play from left-to-right and so forth. Very little build-up play from the back, complimented with the outlet balls from the middle of the engine room to wide channels.
Our inadequacies with regards to our ball-movent & overall pattern of play doesn't present as the ideal footballing education for a lightweight but otherwise quick & skillful youngster. Perhaps he sees that his football future - particularly learning the tools of the trade at a senior level - lies elsewhere.
good post.
the bit in bold really saddens me tbh
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coca-cola cup maybe? us playing man united in that around '94-'95 seems to ring a bell.
might have been gillespie and pallister who scored?
that was a prem fixture. We beat them 2-0 at St James' in the coca-cola that season
Kitson scored his first goal for us in that match no?
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I didn't think he was anything special, looking back his career was very similar to Lee Sharpe's, both burst on the scence at Man U and then went rapidly down hill. Compare their careers to Giggs, just no comparison and they all came on the scene at roughly the same time and were all similar players.
Actually I've often thought what would have happened if Keegan had of asked for Beckham, Scholes, Gary Neville and even at the time Nicky Butt when we sold Andy Cole to Man U! It would be inteteresting to know if he would have included any of them in the deal. I think I read in Fergie's book that he couldn't belive his luck when Keegan asked for Gillespie!
I think Ferguson more than likely would have told him to f*** off. Tbf Gillespie did look class against us in the cup I think it was. He was also an integral part of the team during Keegan's reign.
didn't he score against us in their 2-0 win over us in 94-95 at Old Trafford. His performance that day was what impressed Keegan iirc
It was definitely something against us around that time. Just couldn't remember the exact fixture.
Yup. Lost 2-0 at OT if I'm not mistaken.
Gillespie ran with the ball, cut inside and fired low to the keeper's right hand side.
Also, may have been our very first defeat of the new season iirc
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in before the lock
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souness back.
shepherd back.
shearer back.
who will it be tomorrow?
sexy back
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A player that I certainly took for granted in his time at SJP. Pace and can cross, who can do that now in the Premiership? Skinned players for fun while planting inch perfect crosses on the heads of our number 9s.
I saw his contribution in the Newcastle Barcelona match, not only did he pretty much single-handedly destroyed their back line, he was marking a certain Luis Felipe Figo, playing in his prime.
How can it be so hard now with the amount of money going into academies and into football to produce players like this, to run and to cross a ball into the box.
One of my favourite ever Newcastle players.
very underrated player in that team of ours. Only Nobby has done better than he did since he left. He also played for a while up front through the middle when Shearer was out and Arsprilla was arse farting around doing nothing as was pretty normal for him, and Gillespie never got the credit he deserved for sticking it out and giving it his best shot.
the sentence in bold is the only reason you posted in this thread
it's unlike you to actually join in when talking about football if it's nowt to do with shepherd and ashley 
as for Gillespie, I think he was underrated as he came in the deal that took Cole to Man U. At the time I felt cheated, and wasn't sure what value Gillespie would bring us. Totally changed my mind that season he, Ferdinand, Beardsley and Ginola ripped the league apart.
ahhhhh those good old days
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Yeah I knew he went over to Toronto for a bit, didn't know about Birmingham like.
Think he may have had a free voucher for the new weightwatchers system at BCFC
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Don't think there's a cat in hell's chance Beye & Enrique will stay if we go down. There'll be several top French clubs that would take Beye back, and you'd imagine some mid-table to UEFA Cup Spanish sides would look at Enrique.
Can think of one or two top 4 sides in the premier league who'd take Habib on as a first choice RB
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Got to be Bassong by a continent mile!
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Never ever. The man is clueless
Bollocks. Kinnear is clueless
Financial meltdown?
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Totally agree with you there mate. I do not in any way blame Shepherd for having the ambition!! On the contrary! I just think he fucked up big style, and we're paying for it.