themanupstairs

Rodgers went from being a decent coach to a pretentious "philosophy" type hipster wanker. Pardew-level performance by the dippers as they constantly hoofed it up to Benteke, and gave the ball to Coutinho for a bit of magic. Their forward line has improved marginally on last season, but their defence remains bog standard. Gomez is a right-footed 18 yr old RB/CB starting at LB.

I still hate them, and that result yesterday cheered me up a little.

hmm... i remember a certain Callum McManaman early in is career doing a horror-tackle on Massadio-Haidara & getting what again?  was Mitro's anything like that 'challenge'?

 

No, but it doesn't mean it wasn't dangerous.

 

I don't get why there's such an argument about it. Vast majority of pundits and NUFC fans can see why he gave a red. It's not like it's an outrageous decision.

 

I personally think it is a red. Can see why people think it's soft, but to hear people say "never a red" is ludicrous when basically 95% of all coverage of it has agreed that it was probably the right decision.

It's never a red because it's never a red. Everyone on here lambasted Janmaat for his stupidity a couple of weeks ago. It's not bias. People have eyes and can see that it was an embarrassingly corrupt and pre-meditated decision. Marriner seemed to absolutely delight in waving the red card in Mitro's face.

As if footballers wear shin pads because it's probably the most impact-prone region of the body playing the sport of football. Never ever a red card in a million years. Not 30 years ago, not today. Marriner is a corrupt cunt and his subsequent decisions only confirmed it.

Hope someone launches a grenade into their 'ultra' section, tbh.

Load of hot air that "ultras". They only have two songs, and both are shit: the Barca rip off, and CPFC. Such a contrived atmosphere.

cant we get a fine for lack of control of players due to too many cards

We will I think.

Well done to the ref today....could have been influenced by our fans who let there emotions get in the way of things.

Utter bollocks. If football is anything it's an emotional game. none of us would be here, and in fact not even half of the SJP would be there if it wasn't a game of emotions.

The PL is the most corrupt and bought league in the world. Any one who doesn't see that is a fucking idiot. This is shocking from the so called referee. I hope we break some arsenal poof legs.

The new post function on this thread is shit. Been taking me to Kaka's post about Abdennour ever since he posted it. Kaka man ffs

Nikki Papavasiliou new manager of Slovan Bratislava.

Expect us to sign someone from there since he's our scout in Eastern Europe.

Why do people always have to be thick or stupid man?

 

Unfortunately there aren't too many other words for people who continue to defy basic common sense. Even you've figured out Tiote's useless and you were his no.1 fan a couple of years back.

Off with the hyperbole again. Fairly confident I said little more than with good coaching he could be an effective PL player again. Still not even sure that's not the case, though evidence at the moment suggests not.

I think his time has come and gone tbh especially as a starting CM. With good coaching though he might be an effective player to bring on when we need to just shut her down, as with the game at OT. If he starts games again he'll just start to believe his own hype again and be back to his old-new self.

Mind you, I'd have the old Tiote in place of Colback alongside Anita every day of the week.

How? Played 5, won 4, drawn 1. Scored 9, conceded 1 (an OG).

 

It's a process.

 

That's the data.

 

You really do buy it every single time. I'm getting bored.

 

Process will continue this weekend with a 1-0 win away to Swansea.

I'm not so sure, Swansea are the best team we've played thus far and by some way too.

If they're lucky with injuries, I really think they're good enough to finish in the top 6 this year. Their football and first team are certainly capable of it.

"What enriches you is the game, not the result. The result is a piece of data. The birth rate goes up. Is that enriching? No. But the process that led to that? Now that’s enriching. Fulfilment comes from the process."

 

Quote from LVG. I like it. It's not quite a Sir Bobby quote but it's well put.

Right lads, I'm off for a tug before the asteroid hits

 

I know they're only playing Hartlepool, but Bournemouth play some fucking great football. 4-0 now.

wllo prick

CPFCiiii CPFCiii CPFC CPFC CPFC

Hate these cunts.

spackems

gosling scores

JanMAAT!

Janmate chill

Giroud is absolute garbage man. Goodness me.

 

They might as well start Welbeck up there once he's back. Guaranteed to have more about him than lumbering slow Giroud.

 

Absolutely pants.

Giroud maybe shouldn't be leading Arsenal's line as their main striker, but things went proper downhill for them last night as soon as he came off. Walcott offered zero threat with Liverpool sitting back so deep. At least Giroud had a very good effort saved, and created one or two more chances with his sheer presence in the box.

Hiring a manager on a one year deal was never going to work was it. Craziness. 

 

Players are likely tuning the guy out, as he isn't around long term anyway.

Yup. Probably got used to playing shit for some time, getting a new manager in time for the derby, getting the points to stay up, rinse and repeat. Disgraceful bunch.

St. is just an abbreviation of Saint so technucally he is correct.

 

:lol:

 

Thanks Einstein

 

Who the hell's Ein saint Ein?

 

Didn't see the game today.

 

I have to ask though, given that we dug in today and battled to a point under pressure by not conceding, is everyone that was absolutely DISGUSTED by McClaren's decision to shut up shop at 2-0 at Swansea still feeling self righteous about it?

 

 

Were you one of them?

You're normally a very good poster but I don't understand what you're trying to say there like. How does us shutting up shop while getting beat last week relate to today's result?

 

Ok, I'll try to explain a bit better. The most important part of this is the big picture. In the dark days of Pardew one of the main things that kept the argument raging was that some people analysed every game in isolation, which I thought was a big mistake. It was short term thinking that lead Pardew to set up the team on a game by game basis, and analysing the way the team played in isolation for 90 minutes at a time every week told us little about what was actually going on at the club. Hence, a lot of very confused views about Pardew, and some people taking an age to work out he was awful.

 

It's worth pointing out here that the three people who have picked me up on my post Man U post are people I've largely agreed with in the past, especially on Pardew, which is why I think this is a discussion worth having.

 

With all this in mind, last week we didn't play particularly well and suffered from some extremely stupid play by Janmaat. We were away to a good team in form and the game was gone. McClaren decided to shut up shop and got pelters from plenty of people on here. At the time, I thought that was a totally understandable decision, and one that might go some way to increasing a fragile team spirit if we could see out the game without conceding again. What McClaren did worked.

 

Given that the team are being praised for being disciplined in defence, showing team spirit and togetherness in yesterday's game......it seems fairly straightforward to me that the decision McClaren took last week to dig in and not concede any more in a game we'd already lost...was a reasonable one, and went some way to fostering the team spirit and resolve to fight for each other that won us an impressive point at Old Trafford.

 

Back to the big picture, and the reason I was questioning the criticism of McClaren during and after the Swansea game. I think the criticism was harsh and indicative of a mindset that is a little too anxious to get on the managers back. I think some people need to fully let Pardew go and give the new manager a chance to prove whether he's up to it or not, because I think it's reasonable to suggest it could go either way.

 

Good post imo.

Very

I think it was obvious the way the defensive players celebrated at the final whistle that the overall objective was keeping a clean sheet (as a gameplan). McClaren said himself before the match that it was a relatively young group, with several new players getting to know one another, and that they would learn a lot about themselves from this game, if as instructed, they had a go.

I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten.

 

In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street.

 

I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder.

 

They're not wrong...

 

long term we need both.

 

Long term you could argue we need players for every position.

 

But if we have only one signing left this summer it needs to be a new CM

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I think Anita and Colback are as bad as each other. Anita is a bit better on the ball which makes him more popular on the forums, but is anonymous without possession 9 games out of ten.

 

In comparison Colback is defensively more noticeable in that he will press, harry and get some blocks and tackles in, but can't pass for s***. However that defensive presence, over Anita makes him seem less anonymous and is therefore more popular with the man on the street.

 

I know some say we need new defenders, others say we need a striker or winger. Both are wrong, we need one more central midfielder.

 

They're not wrong...

 

long term we need both.

 

Long term you could argue we need players for every position.

 

But if we have only one signing left this summer it needs to be a new CM

nah, you've got wini and sissoko who can drop in. if we lose a centre half we're f***ed.

 

Don't think they complement each other at all as pure central midfielders. So we need to drop one back and sign someone else to play alongside them, getting rid of both shithouses, not just one of them.

 

It's like playing with 9 players at the moment.