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fernandes doesn't have THAT much money. He won't support them in 5 years time. They have to be in the CL with the wages they have within a few years. Ah right, I assumed his ability to spend on QPR was pretty much unlimited. If he needs a return any time soon he's running a massive risk. Nope he's worth around 500m. That's a 1/3 of Ashley's worth. Only way a club like QPR can sustain 80k p/w for players is Champions League. Fernandes expected midtable this season. There's no way he can support 20m losses year on year. Latest net worth estimated at USD 400 million. So near £250 million is his net worth.

fernandes doesn't have THAT much money. He won't support them in 5 years time. They have to be in the CL with the wages they have within a few years. Exactly - he'll have spent his entire net worth within a year or two at this rate. Can't see them getting much debt from banks. It is a disaster waiting to happen.

Yes they are. Portsmouth had a new stadium in the pipeline. Portsmouth actively were looking for extra sponsors and thought buying success now would buy them guaranteed future which was completely wrong. They still went he same way as Leeds. Which QPR will do when they get relegated. Fernandez is way smarter than anyone who was ever connected to Pompey. History is littered with the still smouldering corpses of clever, rich men who went into football club ownership and still got burned. Fernandes has more brains than the whole of our management put together. More so he is an inspirational character like a Branson. He really isn't. You know fuk all about him. He was one of the brains at Aol and left when he saw the writing on the wall. He started Air Asia from scratch in one room with no airline licence. If qpr survive in the PL a couple of season they will be a force to be reckoned with. How is that any different from Ashley taking voer his dad's shop and becoming a billionaire? Fernandes is worth quite a lot less than Ashley. USD 400 million to £1.5 billion.

I think players might have worked him out a little - for example, he tends to turn the same way when he has an opponent behind him. First season that worked fine but has had diminishing returns ever since. Undisputedly though, an in-form Tiote is quality player. Absolutely no doubt about that.

I asked this before on another thread - but in the 4-2-3-1 formations that have been suggested, where does the cover come from for Debuchy and Santon? I have seen a few people suggest that Ben Arfa shouldn't be wasted tracking back, but I think in 4-2-3-1 the 'wingers' have to track back.

Yep - definitely written a couple of inflammatory articles about us in the past.

Horseplop. Citeh, Manure, Chelski, Ar*e all have non-football men running the club but they are all prepared to spend big. The rest like Reading Scumderland, Villa have the same non-footballing men but aren't aren't prepared to invest... same as Cashley. The game has changed.. it's now a business/billionaires playground. Rubbish They might have billionaire owners but they arent running the clubs they have the likes of Ivan Gazidis (arsenal) David Gill (manu) Daniel Levy (spurs) doing that, weve got a casino owner You mean Daniel Levy the businessman, David Gill the accountant and Ivan Gazidis the lawyer?

Certainly one of our better players yesterday.

Looked good today. Already a vast improvement.

Exactly this.

Points 1 and 2 are pretty much spot on analyses in my opinion.

Well there probably isn't something as 100% certain goal. What I am trying to say is that it is conceivable that there are chances that are more likely to be converted than a penalty. Surely it is unfair that a defender is able to exploit this situation by preventing an attacker from scoring and the attacking team having to then rely on converting a harder chance ie a penalty? Haven't look in any detail but it seems as if roughly 70-80% of penalties are scored. That isn't that high a percentage. There needs to be some sort of punishment to prevent this from occurring. Hence the sending off.

You've misunderstood this again, in exactly the same way as it was last discussed. The point is about penalties and red cards being too harsh together and that the penalty should be punishment enough. But why is a penalty punishment enough? What if a player has an open goal from a yard out and the defender fouls him and thus prevents an absolute 100% certain goal? The chances of scoring from a penalty are far lower so the defender would benefit from this action. That is why a sending off is needed.

Fair enough.

Dyer was massively overrated. I think this discussion has been had on numerous occasions to be honest, but he was technically poor.

Did you know at the time that Moyes was as good as he has proved to be or are you talking with the benefit of hindsight? I don't think many, if any, picked Moyes out to be a potential star during the lean years. Moyes (and Ferguson who is the other one usually rolled out to support this specious argument) had a record of success at their previous clubs which is why they were given the job. What in Pardew's record suggests that he will turn this around and bring this club success? Moyes' record at Preston is very similar to what Pardew achieved with Reading and to a lesser extent West Ham.

Did you know at the time that Moyes was as good as he has proved to be or are you talking with the benefit of hindsight? I don't think many, if any, picked Moyes out to be a potential star during the lean years.

Splitting hairs here, but I don't think they were bottom. How many of the players left after they got relegated out of interest? Looks like they lost some pretty key players from a quick wiki search.

Was going to say that - hadn't Dowie and Les Reed pretty much sealed the relegation?

Would love him back in any capacity to be honest. A perfect example of someone who we should bring in as an attacking coach.

Everything internally at the football club - currently anyway - revolves around finishing 8th as "par" How much do you know about NUFC/Pardew that you aren't able to divulge on this forum? How can he answer that? I didn't expect him to tell us! I was just wondering if he knew more than he has stated before as we get dripfeed the odd bit of new information.

Spot on and basically what I was trying to say earlier but not quite so eloquently. Although I do agree with Dave's explanation.

A 'particular style of play' to me refers more how easily and well players of lesser ability can slot into the team and do more than simply make up the numbers. Lots of teams can do this effectively, by which I mean they don't instantly turn to the turgid 'kick the ball as far as possible from our goal', ultra-negative play we've seen so regularly this season and even parts of last. Pardew's philosophy to date seems to be that if all of our best players aren't available then we simply can't do the same things, and I don't buy that. Some have excused it by saying we can't play good football with Williamson and Simpson in the side, but we managed it perfectly well during those six wins in a row last season in which they both played every minute. Sorry, Simpson was taken off with 8mins left against Stoke at 3-0. As I've said however, the ludicrous 11 purples thing doesn't help him at all. Ok - that makes far more sense to me than theidea that each team needs to have a particular style akin to a Brendan Rodgers team.

If we finish the season in decent form I don't think many will be calling for him to be sacked tbf. I think there's a small group that dislike him regardless, but nowhere near the majority. What has he ever done in his past career that gives people confidence that he is going to be a top manager with the same club over a period of more than 2 years ? Why does anyone think it is going to be different here..? Just as well Ipswich gave Robson a chance after his previous track record was to get Fulham relegated and then gave him time after a few rubbish seasons. Managers can improve. Pardew may not, but it is possible that he might come back a better manager for it. Have you looked at Robson's career record ? He was 35 when he became manager at Fulham and 36 when he joined Ipswich.....by the time he was Pardew's age he had achieved far more than being fired from 4 clubs - if Pardew hasn't achieved anything as a manager now, he isn't going to, or at least, the odds against it are very high. Look at Ferguson's record as a manager by the time he reached Pardew's age - do you think Man U would have appointed Pardew as their manager when he was the same age as Ferguson ?? There are plenty of managers I could quote who have made it by the time they are Pardew's age - he is at NUFC because he is cheap to employ and suits the board because of it. Any manager worth their salt wants a degree of control over signings and club policy - Ashley and Llambias are never going to allow that. My point was that the same could have been said of Robson at a particular point of his career, but obviously he went on to be a great manager. I dare say that if Ipswich had decided that finishing 19th in Robson's second season wasn't acceptable and sacked him, his managerial career might have been a very very different one. I am not suggesting that Pardew will be anywhere near as good as Robson, but maybe Pardew does need to be given another season in charge of a club to see if he can reverse the current trend. Writing him off as someone who can't produce beyond 1-2 seasons is lazy and ignores all context. I am sure there are plenty of managers you can mention who have 'made it' by 51 - I am sure there are a damn sight more managers you could list who haven't. Are you suggesting that we should only appoint managers who have now 'made it'? Perhaps we should give Jose a ring if that is now the criteria.